The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[gee757]

Really? You actually believe this? First off, that Ja album (forgot what it was called, so it's already obselete) sold cuz of the 50 beef. Plus he flopped with that Blood In My Eye shit. The only artist selling was Ashanti, and even she was falling off. People turned on him once he did a song with Bobby Brown and did that atrocious video in the amusement park *insert 50 joke here*. Murda Inc collapsed on its own with the FED case and Irv being a shitty CEO, 50 just put the nail in the coffin. You really thought if Pac was alive, and oversaw the whole 7DT album, did the One Nation project, fans wouldve said fuck LAD? Bad Boy was on fire, and showed no signs of slowing down, it wouldve been a bloody war if Pac wanted to end Bad Boy.

smh do u believe woodface really destroy;d ja rule after grodt? that is SHEEP shit woodface aint destroy ja rule he just slow;d down his sellz cuz ja rule still went gold & platinum after grodt ruleyork made da muuuunkee KISS his azz CRACK wit NY woodface muuunkee azz lost his mind & xposed himself as a hater when he seen ja rule back on top n 04 wit all da ny rapperz n da NY video minus da ggggay-unit showin LOVE da FEDZ is wat took ja rule & murder inc down n 05 not WOODFACE...& tupac was just gettin start;d when he was xposin big if he aint die 1st i dont c biggie lastin long cuz tupac was comin @ him wit straight heat & biggie felt that fire thatz y he was runnin around scared like treach said cuz treach was on tour wit bad boy n 96 & he seen how scared tupac had biggie & puffy 1st hand.,.,

 

[DanknDrank]

Only Big would remain relevant and would easily go down as an all-time great....

Pac's fraudulent lifestyle and "Thug Life" gimmick will eventually wear out its welcome.....he'd go from ballerina, studio gangster, fake revolutionist to hip hop's laughingstock....

lmao @ this guy....i know you have a strong dislike for pac and all but this is one of the most bitch-made logic's about him i've ever heard....if that's the case then neither would big considering he wasn't this king of ny character he portrayed nor was he needy seeing as how his mother worked a good job and kept him well fed......lmao @ fake revolutionary when the man has more roots to black revolutions then you will ever come in counter with, basically he's blacker than you(shrugs)....

long story short, whatever lil vendetta you against that man still takes nothing away from his music

 

[Lab Baby]

smh do u believe woodface really destroy;d ja rule after grodt? that is SHEEP shit woodface aint destroy ja rule he just slow;d down his sellz cuz ja rule still went gold & platinum after grodt ruleyork made da muuuunkee KISS his azz CRACK wit NY woodface muuunkee azz lost his mind & xposed himself as a hater when he seen ja rule back on top n 04 wit all da ny rapperz n da NY video minus da ggggay-unit showin LOVE da FEDZ is wat took ja rule & murder inc down n 05 not WOODFACE...& tupac was just gettin start;d when he was xposin big if he aint die 1st i dont c biggie lastin long cuz tupac was comin @ him wit straight heat & biggie felt that fire thatz y he was runnin around scared like treach said cuz treach was on tour wit bad boy n 96 & he seen how scared tupac had biggie & puffy 1st hand.,.,

Nah, I never said 50 destroy the INC singlehandedly. Read the post; the wack music, the FED case, Irv's shitty business moves (nigga signed Vanessa Carlton... yes, the girl that sang that song in White Chicks)... that's what destoryed the INC. Didn't help that G Unit/Shady were lyrically swervin on them. And the INC had NO weapons to help. And no, Cadillac Tah and Black Child calling him a snitch for 4 years don't count. Tha Row was useless at that point, and J Prince and them might have helped, but they weren't as relevant in the mainstream. Pac however, had mad help, and still couldn't phase Bad Boy. And, if Pac was working with the Wu with the sole purpose to destroy Bad Boy, why would RZA give Big a beat to diss Pac on? And the Wu is heavily connected with Mobb Deep. Trust me, Pac wouldn't have drawn that out any further. Big might have been scared, I believe that... but Pac wouldn't have moved further than that negatively.

 

[gee757]

Nah, I never said 50 destroy the INC singlehandedly. Read the post; the wack music, the FED case, Irv's shitty business moves (nigga signed Vanessa Carlton... yes, the girl that sang that song in White Chicks)... that's what destoryed the INC. Didn't help that G Unit/Shady were lyrically swervin on them. And the INC had NO weapons to help. And no, Cadillac Tah and Black Child calling him a snitch for 4 years don't count. Tha Row was useless at that point, and J Prince and them might have helped, but they weren't as relevant in the mainstream. Pac however, had mad help, and still couldn't phase Bad Boy. And, if Pac was working with the Wu with the sole purpose to destroy Bad Boy, why would RZA give Big a beat to diss Pac on? And the Wu is heavily connected with Mobb Deep. Trust me, Pac wouldn't have drawn that out any further. Big might have been scared, I believe that... but Pac wouldn't have moved further than that negatively.

ja rule had FATAL, DEATHROW & RAPALOT behind him he was not gonna lose verse woodface da murder inc/deathrow/rapalot collabo was gonna destroy da euromath/shady/ggggay-unit bitch mpire but da FEDZ fuk;d that all up cuz woodface had did so much SNITCHIN & again tupac was just gettin start;d when he was destroyin big pac died 1st he neva got a chance 2 really dig n biggiez azz NO MANN! LOL

 

[Mumo X]

If Pac had lived he woulda been mentioned on the same level as Bob Marley and Marvin Gaye.....its sacrilegous to compare that fat fuck piggie to a black panther. Pac >>>> Stevie Wonder and M. Jackson.

 

[playmaker88]

Why the hate for biggie though

 

[gee757]

If Pac had lived he woulda been mentioned on the same level as Bob Marley and Marvin Gaye.....its sacrilegous to compare that fat fuck piggie to a black panther. Pac >>>> Stevie Wonder and M. Jackson.

AMEN!....tupac & biggie is nuttin alike imean big was a rap star & tupac was a MEGA STAR!

 

[Lab Baby]

ja rule had FATAL, DEATHROW & RAPALOT behind him he was not gonna lose verse woodface da murder inc/deathrow/rapalot collabo was gonna destroy da euromath/shady/ggggay-unit bitch mpire but da FEDZ fuk;d that all up cuz woodface had did so much SNITCHIN & again tupac was just gettin start;d when he was destroyin big pac died 1st he neva got a chance 2 really dig n biggiez azz NO MANN! LOL

Fatal was nice, and his verses were the only reason I listened to that Blood in My Eye bullshit. But no, Tha Row and Rapalot weren't gonna be any help, they weren't mainstream so the disses would've fallen on deaf ears. And to my knowledge, Rapalot wasn't being investigated, so they couldve finished the job. About Pac, come to think about it, nah... lyrically, Pac didn't stand a chance. Even without Big, you had Jay, who was gonna be big anyway, Mase, Cam (one of the most disrespectful niggas in rap, destroyed ya man woodface), hell, Mobb Deep was givin it to him. Wu prolly wouldnt have done much, what with them working with Big and Mobb. Kane, maybe... even tho he sat and watched KRS dismantle his whole label in the 80s. Only nigga that was a lyrical threat on the Outlaws was Fatal. Snoop was on his way out and wouldn't have given a fuck either way, DPG's dope, but it wouldn't have been enough. Who else Pac had that wouldve done damage to Bad Boy? Note I havent even mentioned the rest of the BB roster and the future stars on the east.

 

[Mumo X]

And, if Pac was working with the Wu with the sole purpose to destroy Bad Boy, why would RZA give Big a beat to diss Pac on? And the Wu is heavily connected with Mobb Deep. Trust me, Pac wouldn't have drawn that out any further. Big might have been scared, I believe that... but Pac wouldn't have moved further than that negatively.

Pac wil never be touched and i believed Suge wil forever go down as the most feared man in the culture but NO ONE had the balls to beef wit da WU cuz the Clan had connects on all coasts. The WU wuznt takin no part in that East-West beef. Wu had the game shook. Deathrow and Suge knew wassup.

 

[thesynthesis]

Bad Boy .would have still selling to think otherwise is foolish smh.

badboy wanted to keep the beef alive aslong as possible, so yes they wud have still been selling, they went as far as to name LAD after Pac (the original version of LAD)...

not sure if BIG wanted to keep beef alive, he made many contradictory statements, one min they sayin there is no beef, next ur hearin puff on a mixtape....puff knows how the game works, it all goes back to "who shot ya" and how he instigated everything and right up until summer 96 he was still doin the same shit..."badboys move in silence", BIGGY was being used as a chess piece....Suge was no different, he just was out in the open with it, what u see is what u get.."diss that nigga, fuck that nigga"...Puff was playing the role of instigator who then runs to the teacher and blames the big nigga for fighting back

east coast westcoast = puff daddy main orchestrator

 

[Mumo X]

AMEN!....tupac & biggie is nuttin alike imean big was a rap star & tupac was a MEGA STAR!

tabernacle my brother. Pac had the game on lock. Pig and Puff wuz shook. 70% of the East too. Pac has accomplishd more in hz 25 years on earth than any influential Black man or woman in history. I dare anybody to say otherwise

 

[Lab Baby]

badboy wanted to keep the beef alive aslong as possible, so yes they wud have still been selling, they went as far as to name LAD after Pac (the original version of LAD)...

not sure if BIG wanted to keep beef alive, he made many contradictory statements, one min they sayin there is no beef, next ur hearin puff on a mixtape....puff knows how the game works, it all goes back to "who shot ya" and how he instigated everything and right up until summer 96 he was still doin the same shit..."badboys move in silence", BIGGY was being used as a chess piece....Suge was no different, he just was out in the open with it, what u see is what u get.."diss that nigga, fuck that nigga"...Puff was playing the role of instigator who then runs to the teacher and blames the big nigga for fighting back

east coast westcoast = puff daddy main orchestrator

Word, Puff and Suge were some bitch ass niggas. If you looked behind the scenes and peeped the little shit, niggas not being paid, sneaky lawyers, etc., youll realize that the east/west shit was just business moves for them. It was personal btw Big and Pac, over something that shouldnt have happened in the first place. Niggas just put batteries in their respective artists back, and fucked up the whole culture in the process.

 

[gee757]

Fatal was nice, and his verses were the only reason I listened to that Blood in My Eye bullshit. But no, Tha Row and Rapalot weren't gonna be any help, they weren't mainstream so the disses would've fallen on deaf ears. And to my knowledge, Rapalot wasn't being investigated, so they couldve finished the job. About Pac, come to think about it, nah... lyrically, Pac didn't stand a chance. Even without Big, you had Jay, who was gonna be big anyway, Mase, Cam (one of the most disrespectful niggas in rap, destroyed ya man woodface), hell, Mobb Deep was givin it to him. Wu prolly wouldnt have done much, what with them working with Big and Mobb. Kane, maybe... even tho he sat and watched KRS dismantle his whole label in the 80s. Only nigga that was a lyrical threat on the Outlaws was Fatal. Snoop was on his way out and wouldn't have given a fuck either way, DPG's dope, but it wouldn't have been enough. Who else Pac had that wouldve done damage to Bad Boy? Note I havent even mentioned the rest of the BB roster and the future stars on the east.

nah deathrow & rapalot was not only helpin murder inc out musically but they was down on sum STREET shit 2 thatz y j prince had da rapalot mafia chase da gggggay-unit outta houston matter fact j prince was n ja rulez NY video just 2 show da muuuunkee that he h8z snitchz & rapalot was bein watch;d by da fedz & suge had crook;d i & eastwood & kurupt up on stage wit ja rule @ da source awardz n 04 when ja won a award & perform;d CLAP BACK just 2 show da muuuunkee that deathrow got ja rulez back & woodface aint neva diss rapalot or deathrow cuz they wouldve murder;d his snitch azz....& n 96 nobody on da east or west was fukin wit tupac on da solo tip plus junior mafia already xposed big as scary on vh-1 when 1 of them jm katz said junior mafia came @ biggie talkin about dissin tupac but big told them no cuz that was playin wit FIRE big wasnt dumb he knew how much dirt pac had on him!

tabernacle my brother. Pac had the game on lock. Pig and Puff wuz shook. 70% of the East too. Pac has accomplishd more in hz 25 years on earth than any influential Black man or woman in history. I dare anybody to say otherwise

hallelujah fam lol

 

[Lab Baby]

Why the hate for biggie though

No idea man, niggas is crazy on the IC. The man made dope music, let that be that.

 

[thesynthesis]

ofcourse pac was a bigger star, globally as well as in the US, his life and his movies pushed him up to a higher status as well as great music....

big however was probs the second biggest rap star "domestically" followed closely by nas

then u had groups such as wu and bone thugs who were huge and towards the end of 96 fugees

and then one hit wonders like coolio

 

[gee757]

"Amen!"

"Tabernacle!!"

"Church!! Preach my brother"

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These Faggots be square dancing and excessively cosignin each other in every thread

^ lol@ u u sound mad saltine,..,,.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Yes to Pac because he's better than niggas.

Hard to tell for Biggie. He'd probably be a JayZ, Wayne level GOAT. The dude that's known for his awards and achievements rather than his skills.

 

[Lab Baby]

nah deathrow & rapalot was not only helpin murder inc out musically but they was down on sum STREET shit 2 thatz y j prince had da rapalot mafia chase da gggggay-unit outta houston matter fact j prince was n ja rulez NY video just 2 show da muuuunkee that he h8z snitchz & rapalot was bein watch;d by da fedz & suge had crook;d i & eastwood & kurupt up on stage wit ja rule @ da source awardz n 04 when ja won a award & perform;d CLAP BACK just 2 show da muuuunkee that deathrow got ja rulez back & woodface aint neva diss rapalot or deathrow cuz they wouldve murder;d his snitch azz....& n 96 nobody on da east or west was fukin wit tupac on da solo tip plus junior mafia already xposed big as scary on vh-1 when 1 of them jm katz said junior mafia came @ biggie talkin about dissin tupac but big told them no cuz that was playin wit FIRE big wasnt dumb he knew how much dirt pac had on him!

hallelujah fam lol

That's how we win rap beefs now? Beatin niggas up? Ok champ. Even so, none of that shit phased Shady/G Unit. Just like the Inc, 50 killed himself with wack music/shitty business moves. The Inc/Row/Rapalot had nothing to do with it. And cmon, you act like Pac was gonna do the same thing to Big, just punk him like that. Last time he went to the east, he got shot in his nuts, mad disrespect. And I know niggas is gonna say well Big got popped in the west, but did Pac have anything to do with that? But fuck all that, that's irrelevant. Lyrically, Pac didn't stand a chance. Even with Hit Em Up, Bad Boy was still moving. You really think he had the energy to make a Hit Em Up for everyone on Bad Boy and the east coast? Look at Jay, one of the most shook niggas in rap. Nigga battled Nas for 5 years. You think Pac really had that kind of energy? He wouldve said fuck it, no money is coming from that shit.

 

[thesynthesis]

Word, Puff and Suge were some bitch ass niggas. If you looked behind the scenes and peeped the little shit, niggas not being paid, sneaky lawyers, etc., youll realize that the east/west shit was just business moves for them. It was personal btw Big and Pac, over something that shouldnt have happened in the first place. Niggas just put batteries in their respective artists back, and fucked up the whole culture in the process.

and whats more crazy is you gotta think who were pulling Puffs and Suges strings?

Jimmy Iovine, Ahmet Ertegün,Herb Abramson, Warner Music Group and Clive Davis etc....people who benefited from the "beef" more than anyone....100's of millions

So even Puff and Suge was pawns in the bigger picture

These niggas had a hand in pushing stories to the media and perpetuating everything.....when Pac died Jimmy was still gettin paids millions upon millions

 

[Mumo X]

When pac died it was local news

'gangster rapper gets shot and dies' page 13 of the metro section

When MJ died it was worldwide front page news and shut down the net and was the lead story on cnn for a week

Stevie wonder is better than pac in every aspect of music and is a worldwide legend

Dont be upset pac is local compared to real legends he never toured worldwide even biggie was goin to london to promote his album

smh @ uncle tommy!! Hav u ever taken time to think what MJs popularity woulda been if he hadnt bleachd himself white? Steve Wonder, really? Pac's murals are in every continent. S.America,Africa,Asia etc. Pac wil forever be an influential figure in Black music more than Steve Wonder