The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[its....JOHN B]

I copied the lyrics from OHHLA site, they be having wrong lyrics sometimes. But overall they are pretty good source.

that was aimed towards synthesis, he was first to post the verses that were quoted, ohhla got it right

 

[its....JOHN B]

Ok, I just listed to the RZA RAW VERSION and here's what Biggie said at the end:

Biggie: "I tried to be on some Humble shit but fuck that, it's time to toot my own horn, toot, toot, motherfucka, I'm the nicest nigga in the game, it's time to face motherfuckin facts. Who's fuckin with me on the Lyrics sides? see me, Wordplay, See me, Fist Fights, See Me Nigga, The Only reason I ain't namin no names, cause I don't want to give you bitch ass niggas a chance to sell a few units" (That's was about Pac)


What's crazy is Big sounded so Angry when saying this, it's like he was tried of all the hating. Both Rza and Cap are talking too but it's hard to hear what they are saying cause of the beat.

[video=youtube;T5uCGCT8pqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5uCGCT8pqQ[/video]

Biggie and Onyx in the studio, song still unreleased. Naughty and Jam Master Jay were there also.

to me thats more proof it was recorded before pacs death, most of it anyway

 

[its....JOHN B]

treach in studio with big? if pac knew this would he have gone at treach too?

 

[Antwuan89]

rapmastermind-Nothing much I been good I still post on that board for time to time too, I got mad love for that board too. I joined that site in Aug of 2008.

 

[rapmastermind]

treach in studio with big? if pac knew this would he have gone at treach too?

From the looks of the video this was probably before the Quad Studio Shooting, maybe Late 93 or early 94 when everyone was cool. Trench said even during the beef he had no problems with Big and even toured with Bad Boy but he wished Biggie did more to reach out to Pac after the shooting. Remember, Naughty is East Coast. Kay Gee did a beat on "Life After Death".

 

[its....JOHN B]

From the looks of the video this was probably before the Quad Studio Shooting, maybe Late 93 or early 94 when everyone was cool. Trench said even during the beef he had no problems with Big and even toured with Bad Boy but he wished Biggie did more to reach out to Pac after the shooting. Remember, Naughty is East Coast. Kay Gee did a beat on "Life After Death".

yea your right, but i dont think it matters that naughty is east coast, BCC was rollin with pac and had beef with Big, and he had more eastcoast artist going at him than the west, some on some beef shit some on some competition shit, i think Nas is the only mc he looked at that could take his spot

 

[lion_heart]

That's why I said if he didn't erase them, they are in the vault and will be reworked as new lyrics for a future remix. I'm not saying Puff wasn't in the studio with Big a lot, obviously he was, but there was time Big would record and not want Puff in the studio. Cease was with Big in almost 95% of the studio sessions, he was around Big all the time. As for Image, Puff always claiming Biggie never dissed Pac on record so he can't let the original LKG come out. Especially if Big is saying Pac name (Supposedly the 1st version Pac's name is said). Biggie only said Pac's name on 2 records. "Brooklyn's Finest" (Probably have two Pac's, get it 2Pac) and "Can I get wit cha" (My name Tupac, I don't get around, you hitting up nigga how that sound). That was it. I don't think Cease has a reason to lie were as Puffy has been known to lie about tons of things. Cease creditibility I believe more. That's scary to know that Cease and maybe a few others may have been the only ones to hear the 1st version of LKG.

You are reaching at the thought of Puff having these vocals and reworking them as new lyrics in the future. Biggie duets already proved that they were scraping the bottom of the barrel when it came to BIG's lyrics. Also what you are saying about Puff not being able to release the "original" version becuz he had already said that BIG never dissed Pac does not make sense becuz it has already been proven that BIG was going at Pac in LKGN. Just becuz BIG didn't say his name doesn't change the fact that its a Pac diss. I think Cease is embellishing becuz he is ridding for his homie. Again I've only heard Cease say he has heard this version. No engineers, producer, other niggas from the crew, etc.

 

[south4life]

treach in studio with big? if pac knew this would he have gone at treach too?

This was before The Quad Studios shooting, this was before Biggie dissed Naughty By Nature.

He said they don't have good albums, they just have hot singles.

 

[lion_heart]

From the looks of the video this was probably before the Quad Studio Shooting, maybe Late 93 or early 94 when everyone was cool. Trench said even during the beef he had no problems with Big and even toured with Bad Boy but he wished Biggie did more to reach out to Pac after the shooting. Remember, Naughty is East Coast. Kay Gee did a beat on "Life After Death".

You got a link?

 

[rapmastermind]

You got a link?

There is this video on MTV with Sway and Trench was talking about being on Tour with Bad Boy and calling Pac telling him that Bad Boy had security and this was at the height of the beef and everyone knows Trench was close with Pac but just cause Pac had problems with Big doesn't mean Trench did, again he was touring with them during the most drama of the beef while being friends with Pac:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1641700/tupac-biggie-would-have-reconciled-treach.jhtml

 

[rapmastermind]

You are reaching at the thought of Puff having these vocals and reworking them as new lyrics in the future. Biggie duets already proved that they were scraping the bottom of the barrel when it came to BIG's lyrics. Also what you are saying about Puff not being able to release the "original" version becuz he had already said that BIG never dissed Pac does not make sense becuz it has already been proven that BIG was going at Pac in LKGN. Just becuz BIG didn't say his name doesn't change the fact that its a Pac diss. I think Cease is embellishing becuz he is ridding for his homie. Again I've only heard Cease say he has heard this version. No engineers, producer, other niggas from the crew, etc.

Puff is a business man, "Duets" was nothing more than a cash grab and it worked, sold 2 Million Worldwide. Biggie is the ultimate cash cow, there is no way I'm going to believe every verse is out. "Born Again" and "Duets" was Puff's way of letting the Rap Game show their love for Big by doing callobo's with artist that were huge fans of Biggie. As well as milking the legacy for all it's worth and bringing Big to a new generation. I'm not saying there's a huge catalog left but there are verses that we haven't heard, the Onyx track being one of them. If Puff releases the original LKG over a new beat, how would we even know it's those lyrics? that's what I mean by rework for remix. Also Puff has been proven to be a liar on several of different issues. I really don't see the point in Cease lying about the original LKG, there has been speculation about it amongst die hard Biggie fans for over a decade, waiting for it to leak. Also nobody from Biggie's crew has been asked about LKG but Cease anyway which was during the XXL interview.

 

[im_lux]

I thought we all knew BIG was soft as baby food? He was nice but soft not Joe Budden I play with barbies and slit my wrists soft but definately soft. Ain't no way a real man allows all that to go on and does almost nothing the whole time except slick shit then uses plausible deniability as well as a politician. Then records something after death? Come on now. If this is true that just shits on BIG's legacy to be honest. It's kinda like when a nigga gets his ass beat then goes home and talks all kinds of shit about the dude that just beat his ass cause he knows he ain't there.

 

[lion_heart]

There is this video on MTV with Sway and Trench was talking about being on Tour with Bad Boy and calling Pac telling him that Bad Boy had security and this was at the height of the beef and everyone knows Trench was close with Pac but just cause Pac had problems with Big doesn't mean Trench did, again he was touring with them during the most drama of the beef while being friends with Pac:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1641700/tupac-biggie-would-have-reconciled-treach.jhtml

Thanks....

 

[waterproof]

Song was recorded while Pac was alive.

Lil Cease was Big's muse for bodily injuries. Everyone knows that. He was a freestyler.
So when he said shit like that, Lil Cease came to mind.

"you lose teeth like Lil CEase" does not mean Lil CEase got a tooth knocked out the day before.

smh.

NIGGA CEASE lost his front grill in the car accident, he was driving and when he wrecked his mouth hit the wheel and Big leg got crushed

 

[lion_heart]

Puff is a business man, "Duets" was nothing more than a cash grab and it worked, sold 2 Million Worldwide. Biggie is the ultimate cash cow, there is no way I'm going to believe every verse is out. "Born Again" and "Duets" was Puff's way of letting the Rap Game show their love for Big by doing callobo's with artist that were huge fans of Biggie. As well as milking the legacy for all it's worth and bringing Big to a new generation. I'm not saying there's a huge catalog left but there are verses that we haven't heard, the Onyx track being one of them. If Puff releases the original LKG over a new beat, how would we even know it's those lyrics? that's what I mean by rework for remix. Also Puff has been proven to be a liar on several of different issues. I really don't see the point in Cease lying about the original LKG, there has been speculation about it amongst die hard Biggie fans for over a decade, waiting for it to leak. Also nobody from Biggie's crew has been asked about LKG but Cease anyway which was during the XXL interview.

The only ones I've heard that has unreleased vocals from BIG is Mister Cee and them and that's before he recorded RTD. If you also believe (like I do) that Puffy is a business man then you would know that no way Puff would be sitting on any unreleased material from BIG. Like you said BIG was the cash cow and Puff would have cashed in years ago on anything unreleased. The nigga recycled BIG's verse on his Last Train to Paris album. He got nothing left. Duets was nothing but a milking of BIG's music period. It had less to do with "artist that were huge fans of Biggie" and more to do with putting the hottest rappers (finacially) on a album with BIG's verses. You trying to tell me that you wouldn't be able to tell a new BIG verse (with Pac's name in it) being the orginal LKG just becuz the beat was changed? Changing the beat is so minimal when compared to orginal lyrics. You know as well as I do that Bad Boy records has been notorious (no pun intended) when it comes to getting their shit leaked over the years. When the "second" version of LKG leaked they had listed it as unreleased when the only real difference from the album version was Cappadonna talking shit with BIG at the end of the record (I don't remember hearing RZA say anything). I've seen countless documentaries with people from BIG's camp and no one even makes mention of this suppose "first version". XXL asked Cease and others about the recording process for LKG and Cease put it out there that their was another version. RZA and who else commented never said that their was another version. If BIG had named names on LAD then I might be inclined to believe Cease but whenever BIG went in on other rappers (Kick In The Door for example) he did it subliminally.

It's 2011. If yall still waiting on this fictitious version to appear all I can say to yall is good luck with that. That's like the cow jumping over the moon.

 

[nkflier23]

I like how people love to always called Tupac a lyricist and a poet,, when TECHNICALLY biggie was the real lyricist. He didn't just simply out a name out there and say fuck you, he worked a whole bar around it and dissed the person without the need of saying their name. What takes more skill

"And fuck Jay-Z that nigga old as fuck"
or
"You like 44, I got a 44 I'm 24 I can murk you and come out when Im 44"
s
sublims >>>>>>>>>>>

[video=youtube;YX9mGr1dlBQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9mGr1dlBQ[/video]

 

[bignorm73]

lol at me being proved correct.

 

[freshb651]

I like how people love to always called Tupac a lyricist and a poet,, when TECHNICALLY biggie was the real lyricist. He didn't just simply out a name out there and say fuck you, he worked a whole bar around it and dissed the person without the need of saying their name. What takes more skill

"And fuck Jay-Z that nigga old as fuck"

or

"You like 44, I got a 44 I'm 24 I can murk you and come out when Im 44"

s

sublims >>>>>>>>>>>

[video=youtube;YX9mGr1dlBQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9mGr1dlBQ[/video]

that "take 2" entendre in LKG was raw,damn BIG was nice

 

[VashfapsE]

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[lion_heart]

There's a video of snoop saying he heard the original BUT that is snoop and his duck tales are epic lol!

I remember he saying he was in the studio as BIG laid down the first song on LAD where name checks Snoop. Snoop apparently has been every where like the nigga with the afro who seemed to be in every video in the 90's. I know you must remember that nigga. The Roots spoofed him in the Never do video.