The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[rapmastermind]

Snoop: "Nobody in NY can't really disrespect me like that cause I loved Biggie and Biggie loved me"

"Don't think the WEST don't love Biggie, the West LOVE BIGGIE. It was just a few people that hated his spirit. Pac even knew this. One of the biggest myth's is that Biggie got no love out West. Both his albums got spins and still get spins"

Another Snoop Interview speaking on the Biggie/Pac situation and how Biggie almost got him killed for filming the "New York, New York" video in New York by calling up Hot 97. But dispite that he still says him and Biggie were cool and Big did apologize for that incident privately. For those of you that don't know, it was Biggie that called up the radio station complainning about the "New York, New York" video. Snoop and Dogg Pound Trailer was shot up but they weren't their in the trailer cause they were getting something to eat. They came back and saw their trailer shot up. Biggie ran New York, the King put out the hit and it got done. Snoop was very lucky that day.

 

[AntonLATroy]

this thread is yeah it is a bit much at this point the stans are running wild on all sides. All this speculation about who would have done what but the sad thing is it is all make believe what happened happened, meaningbiggie never clearly responded publicly and Tupac was relentless with his attacks. To say anything different is a fallacy of the highest class

 

[rapmastermind]

this thread is yeah it is a bit much at this point the stans are running wild on all sides. All this speculation about who would have done what but the sad thing is it is all make believe what happened happened, meaningbiggie never clearly responded publicly and Tupac was relentless with his attacks. To say anything different is a fallacy of the highest class

This thread is what it is a Westcoast Legend said Biggie would of gotten Pac lyrically if he wanted to. 3 More interviews stated that Snoop Dogg DID NOT AGREE With Pac on the beef. No matter how anyone tries to spin this, a WESTCOAST LEGEND cosigns BIGGIE. He's not the only WESTCOAST Legend to do so. Pac was wrong, most Hip Hop Historians agree he took it too far. I'm not saying Pac is the reason they both died but the fact remains, his actions played a strong role in both Deaths. Biggie was not saint, he was wrong for spitting "Long Kiss Goodnight" in L.A.. Sure he was pissed at Pac and what he said and did about him but that was wrong and even as a Biggie fan, I don't think that was right. At the same time I understand why he did it. Pac was out of control and Biggie was obviously feeling his days were numbered so he went out with the guns blazing by spitting that freestyle. Biggie spitting Long Kiss Goodnight over a Mobb Deep Beat After Pac died in L.A. = One of the most gutter moments in Hip Hop History

 

[AntonLATroy]

This thread is what it is a Westcoast Legend said Biggie would of gotten Pac lyrically if he wanted to. 3 More interviews stated that Snoop Dogg DID NOT AGREE With Pac on the beef. No matter how anyone tries to spin this, a WESTCOAST LEGEND cosigns BIGGIE. He's not the only WESTCOAST Legend to do so. Pac was wrong, most Hip Hop Historians agree he took it too far. I'm not saying Pac is the reason they both died but the fact remains, his actions played a strong role in both Deaths. Biggie was not saint, he was wrong for spitting "Long Kiss Goodnight" in L.A.. Sure he was pissed at Pac and what he said and did about him but that was wrong and even as a Biggie fan, I don't think that was right. At the same time I understand why he did it. Pac was out of control and Biggie was obviously feeling his days were numbered so he went out with the guns blazing by spitting that freestyle. Biggie spitting Long Kiss Goodnight over a Mobb Deep Beat After Pac died in L.A. = One of the most gutter moments in Hip Hop History

your a clown and obsessed I feel sorry for you if all your life revolves around a crap beef that hurt Hip Hop as a whole

 

[rapmastermind]

Hey Rapmastermind....Let me get this straight....if Biggie could handle Pac lyrically but why did he ask Nas, East Coast Rappers help to go against Pac and why no one stepped for Biggie and waited until Pac died?

And, Nas said that everyone was nervous about go to against Pac. his interview .... http://www.king-mag.com/online/?p=5357

As far as Big asking NaS to go at Pac. it was simply a New York, Eastcoast thing. Big could of handled Pac on his own but obviously if push comes to shove he was going to assemble an Eastcoast Army to strike back. CNN and Mobb already did the L.A., L.A. joint. AZ and Foxy along with Jay Z were on their side. As well as the Bad Boy Crew. Basically Biggie was on some Mobb shit with NaS to come on his side. NaS didn't and got dissed on "Kick in the Door" and "Victory". It's not a myth, NaS and Pac did squash their beef but sadly there will always be a cloud over it cause Pac is not here to say yes or no and "Makaveli" did come out with the disses. Anyone could agrue Suge, NaS and Snoop trying to revise History when Pac really did have a problem with NaS.

 

[darkrain]

Snoop: "Nobody in NY can't really disrespect me like that cause I loved Biggie and Biggie loved me"

"Don't think the WEST don't love Biggie, the West LOVE BIGGIE. It was just a few people that hated his spirit. Pac even knew this. One of the biggest myth's is that Biggie got no love out West. Both his albums got spins and still get spins"

Another Snoop Interview speaking on the Biggie/Pac situation and how Biggie almost got him killed for filming the "New York, New York" video in New York by calling up Hot 97. But dispite that he still says him and Biggie were cool and Big did apologize for that incident privately. For those of you that don't know, it was Biggie that called up the radio station complainning about the "New York, New York" video. Snoop and Dogg Pound Trailer was shot up but they weren't their in the trailer cause they were getting something to eat. They came back and saw their trailer shot up. Biggie ran New York, the King put out the hit and it got done. Snoop was very lucky that day.

Biggie got shook too in Cali when E-40 about to do something harm to Biggie but lucky his friend said, "Better call E-40, squashed this bullshit".

 

[darkrain]

As far as Big asking NaS to go at Pac. it was simply a New York, Eastcoast thing. Big could of handled Pac on his own but obviously if push comes to shove he was going to assemble an Eastcoast Army to strike back. CNN and Mobb already did the L.A., L.A. joint. AZ and Foxy along with Jay Z were on their side. As well as the Bad Boy Crew. Basically Biggie was on some Mobb shit with NaS to come on his side. NaS didn't and got dissed on "Kick in the Door" and "Victory". It's not a myth, NaS and Pac did squash their beef but sadly there will always be a cloud over it cause Pac is not here to say yes or no and "Makaveli" did come out with the disses. Anyone could agrue Suge, NaS and Snoop trying to revise History when Pac really did have a problem with NaS.

Yeah, I agreed with you. I wish Pac wouldn't hang out with the wrong people so none of this shit would happened.

 

[king of nyc]

i dont know wat album wouldve sold mo cuz they neva drop'd,,,,& u r a delusional biggie groupie cuz this pik is very tellin..,,

^^^^look @ 2pac wit his JEWELZ on da watch & ring & biggie is rockin STAIN'D JEANZ & STRECH is standin n da background wit a POETIC JUSTICE tee on PAC WAS DA MEGA STAR BIGGIE WAS DA RAP STAR....da STUDENT BIGGIE could neva outshyne his TEACHER TUPAC & 2pac outsold biggiez 1st lp ready 2 die n 2monthz wit ALL EYEZ ON ME cuz it went 5 xplatinum n 2monthz while he was alive 2pac & deathrow was smokin biggie & bad boy n sellz & lad only sold alot cuz BIGGIE was DEAD!! & look @ junior mafia now 2pac was so rite about them bitchz jm aint nuttin but a bunch of faggotz thatz y lill cease b dancin butt naked wit his dick out fa da whole mafia crew a room full of dudez minus lil kim n da name of BIG NO HOMO!!

aight, lemme get dis right..... u dont know which lp would have sold more becasue both neva dropped -i'll give u dat.

but how can u deny dat da comission, they had more star power biggie/jay/puff then 1nation pac/BCC/outlawz =nigga everybody in da fucking world knows who lp would have sold more

and as far as da 2nd question -u danced around it, u just cant admit dat LAD went 10x while AEOM went 9x

 

[king of nyc]

God You Guys are amazing here if we are going to go off of sales then factor this Tupac sold 75million records Biggie sold 18 million in that case there is no comparison. But true HipHop Heads do not care about sales like that because Numbers are very easily flipped and irrelevant when it comes to skill or influence. Heck for that matter MC Hammer Sold More Units Then Biggie does that make him the better Rapper? Given your name is KingOfNYC I will assume you are a Biggie or Jigga Stan so I understand your whole passion on the matter but do not let that blind you to the facts

FACTS, FACTS, FACTS: u have da audcity to use da word FACTS -when u claiming pac sold 75million... nigga u crazy, u sound like 1 of dem niggaz dat think master p sold 75million lps (yall need to go back to school & take mathematics all over agian)

but u comparing apples & oranges

of course pac sold more TOTAL lp's then biggie CAUSE pac dropped 10+ more lps...

but da REAL FACTS ARE: biggie outsold pac debut lp (R2D went 4xplat while 2pac...now went gold)

pac highest selling lp AEOM went 9xplat biggie highest went 10xplat

and da only reason, i brought up sales, cuz homie stated pac was a mega star & biggie was just a rap star -so why LAD outsold AEOM

 

[THE_R_]

Interesting...Biggie would've tore his ass apart lyrically, no lie...

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

FACTS, FACTS, FACTS: u have da audcity to use da word FACTS -when u claiming pac sold 75million... nigga u crazy, u sound like 1 of dem niggaz dat think master p sold 75million lps (yall need to go back to school & take mathematics all over agian)

but u comparing apples & oranges
of course pac sold more TOTAL lp's then biggie CAUSE pac dropped 10+ more lps...
but da REAL FACTS ARE: biggie outsold pac debut lp (R2D went 4xplat while 2pac...now went gold)
pac highest selling lp AEOM went 9xplat biggie highest went 10xplat

and da only reason, i brought up sales, cuz homie stated pac was a mega star & biggie was just a rap star -so why LAD outsold AEOM

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblTopArt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

I started Off with Links so we can Kicks some facts son. I take a day off and the stans run wild and shit. Fact in the US alone pac has sold 37.5 million, Both eminem and Jigga have 27 million in the US Biggie has 17 Million In the US all impresive Numbers although pac more tehn Doubles your boy domestically, but then we hit world wide #'s and it is a different ball game Pac Has 75 million Eminem has 80 million Jigga 50 million, your boy not charting world wide becaue he is was just a Rap star in the US, where Pac is a world wide Mega star, now tell them why you mad Kid...

 

[northside7]

Its clear 2pac has more fame and star power than biggie, shit is known worldwide. Who is the better artist can be debate for years and decades to come.

 

[rapmastermind]

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblTopArt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

I started Off with Links so we can Kicks some facts son. I take a day off and the stans run wild and shit. Fact in the US alone pac has sold 37.5 million, Both eminem and Jigga have 27 million in the US Biggie has 17 Million In the US all impresive Numbers although pac more tehn Doubles your boy domestically, but then we hit world wide #'s and it is a different ball game Pac Has 75 million Eminem has 80 million Jigga 50 million, your boy not charting world wide becaue he is was just a Rap star in the US, where Pac is a world wide Mega star, now tell them why you mad Kid...

LOL, once again someone trying to dowplay Biggie's sales. Biggie has sold over 30 Million albums Worldwide with only 2 LP's and 2 Cut and Paste LP's, a Greatest Hits and Soundtrack with songs everyone already heard. And 1 Group album and several of singles selling well. Here's Big's Sales Discography:

The Notorious B.I.G., an American rapper. He is one of the best selling hip hop artists of all time with over 30 million albums sold worldwide and 20 million in the U.S. The Notorious B.I.G remians the only artist in Music History to have two posthumous #1 Billboard Hot 100 singles. His album "Life After Death" is 1 of only 3 rap albums certified Diamond by the RIAA. It also made the largest jump to number 1 on the Billboard 200 chart in history, jumping from number 176 to number 1 in one week.

Album sales:

LAD: 10 Million Domestic, 17 million Worldwide

RTD: 4 Million Domestic, 8 Million Worldwide

BA: 2 Million Domestic, 4 Million Worldwide

DTFC: 1 Million Dometic, 2 Million Worldwide

Greatest Hits: Gold

Notorious Soundtrack: Gold

JM: Platinume Domestic, 2x Platinum Worldwide

= 19.5 Million Domestic, 32 Million Worldwide

Single Sales:

Juicy: Gold

Big Poppa: Platinum

One More Chance: Platinum

Hypnotize: Platinum

Mo Money, Mo Plroblems: Platinum

Sky's the Limit: Gold

Nasty Girl: Gold

= 5.5 Million single Sales

Featured Singles sales:

Get Money: Platinum

Playa's Anthem: Gold

Crush on You: Platinum

Been Around The World: Platinum

All About The Benji's: Platinum

Victory: Gold

Only You: Gold

Can't You See: Gold

Real Love: Gold

Flava In Your Ear: Gold

=7 Million

Album Sales: 32 Million WW, Single Sales 13 Million WW. So let me get this straight:

Pac: 38 Million Domestic, 75 Million Worldwide

Eminem: 37 Million Domestic, 80 Million Worldwide

Jay Z: 28 Million Domestic, 50 Million Worldwide

Biggie: 20 Million Domestic, 32 Million Worldwide

So basically Biggie moved half of what Pac and Eminem did with WAYYYYY Less material. Yet you want to talk about sales? At the rate Big was selling he would of sold over 100 Million albums had he had a chance to release more than 2 LP's during his lifetime. Nobody is disputed Pac's sales, he's been the GOAT Sales artist for over a decade after his death until White America moved Eminem ahead of him. But to act like Biggie was just some local stateside artist is lame. "Life After Death" and "Ready To Die" sold 13 Million combined OVERSEAS not just in the states. Biggie's has sold more than NaS with less albums, Rakim with less album. He sold almost as much as Jay Z with less albums and again half of Pac and Eminem. If you bring in Groups, Biggie's sales equal that of Bone Thugs N Harmony and Outkast. No Rapper in Hip Hop History sold more with less material than Biggie. That is not a mistake.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

LOL, once again someone trying to dowplay Biggie's sales. Biggie has sold over 30 Million albums Worldwide with only 2 LP's and 2 Cut and Paste LP's, a Greatest Hits and Soundtrack with songs everyone already heard. And 1 Group album and several of singles selling well. Here's Big's Sales Discography:

The Notorious B.I.G., an American rapper. He is one of the best selling hip hop artists of all time with over 30 million albums sold worldwide and 20 million in the U.S. The Notorious B.I.G remians the only artist in Music History to have two posthumous #1 Billboard Hot 100 singles. His album "Life After Death" is 1 of only 3 rap albums certified Diamond by the RIAA. It also made the largest jump to number 1 on the Billboard 200 chart in history, jumping from number 176 to number 1 in one week.

Album sales:

LAD: 10 Million Domestic, 17 million Worldwide
RTD: 4 Million Domestic, 8 Million Worldwide
BA: 2 Million Domestic, 4 Million Worldwide
DTFC: 1 Million Dometic, 2 Million Worldwide
Greatest Hits: Gold
Notorious Soundtrack: Gold
JM: Platinume Domestic, 2x Platinum Worldwide

= 19.5 Million Domestic, 32 Million Worldwide

Single Sales:

Juicy: Gold
Big Poppa: Platinum
One More Chance: Platinum
Hypnotize: Platinum
Mo Money, Mo Plroblems: Platinum
Sky's the Limit: Gold
Nasty Girl: Gold

= 5.5 Million single Sales

Featured Singles sales:

Get Money: Platinum
Playa's Anthem: Gold
Crush on You: Platinum
Been Around The World: Platinum
All About The Benji's: Platinum
Victory: Gold
Only You: Gold
Can't You See: Gold
Real Love: Gold
Flava In Your Ear: Gold

=7 Million

Album Sales: 32 Million WW, Single Sales 13 Million WW. So let me get this straight:

Pac: 38 Million Domestic, 75 Million Worldwide
Eminem: 37 Million Domestic, 80 Million Worldwide
Jay Z: 28 Million Domestic, 50 Million Worldwide
Biggie: 20 Million Domestic, 32 Million Worldwide

So basically Biggie moved half of what Pac and Eminem did with WAYYYYY Less material. Yet you want to talk about sales? At the rate Big was selling he would of sold over 100 Million albums had he had a chance to release more than 2 LP's during his lifetime. Nobody is disputed Pac's sales, he's been the GOAT Sales artist for over a decade after his death until White America moved Eminem ahead of him. But to act like Biggie was just some local stateside artist is lame. "Life After Death" and "Ready To Die" sold 13 Million combined OVERSEAS not just in the states. Biggie's has sold more than NaS with less albums, Rakim with less album. He sold almost as much as Jay Z with less albums and again half of Pac and Eminem. If you bring in Groups, Biggie's sales equal that of Bone Thugs N Harmony and Outkast. No Rapper in Hip Hop History sold more with less material than Biggie. That is not a mistake.

Damn homotional titangraphs and the Nigga does not even post any links that support his inflated numbers. Sad shit you selling all these WOlf tickets in a rush to defend your man crush HAHAHA...

 

[Focal Point]

some of you guys should really let these dead niggaz' nuts breathe. /pause

...........................................

 

[king of nyc]

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblTopArt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

I started Off with Links so we can Kicks some facts son. I take a day off and the stans run wild and shit. Fact in the US alone pac has sold 37.5 million, Both eminem and Jigga have 27 million in the US Biggie has 17 Million In the US all impresive Numbers although pac more tehn Doubles your boy domestically, but then we hit world wide #'s and it is a different ball game Pac Has 75 million Eminem has 80 million Jigga 50 million, your boy not charting world wide becaue he is was just a Rap star in the US, where Pac is a world wide Mega star, now tell them why you mad Kid...

not madd at all homie... i dont go by world wide numbers... WHY U MAY ASK... cause they dont count WW lp's sales

a nigga like 50cent can easly say he sold 11million units WW off GRODT but he only cerified 6million sold by RIAA (which is offical)

anybody can claim WW numbers, its unoffical so, niggaz need not to add WW to ones resume

 

[rapmastermind]

[video=youtube;Ir2swCcM1lM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2swCcM1lM[/video]

MARCH = B.I.G. MONTH. HATERS FALL BACK. Your talk about him being over-rated and average is irrelevent. History can not be changed. Biggie still remians in GOAT discussions till this day. He's Top 5 on 95% of Hip Hop Listerners list, Top 10 at worst. You can agree to disagree and you don't even have to like or love Big. Respect this Legend though cause it's untouchable. Check out this great documentary which includes Snoop himself saying how ILL Biggie was.

NaS in this documentary after criticizing Jay for taking Biggie's Rhymes: "You have to study Biggie, everyone takes his rhymes, Me, just Everybody"

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Damn KingofNYC needs to step his Game Up Rapemastermind has a jaw lock on Biggies dick, Necrophylia at its worst... I wonder if youstans fight over who loves Biggie more amongst yourselves or is there enough of your Big Poppa for you weirdos to share...

 

[Stack Money]

Damn KingofNYC needs to step his Game Up Rapemastermind has a jaw lock on Biggies dick, Necrophylia at its worst... I wonder if youstans fight over who loves Biggie more amongst yourselves or is there enough of your Big Poppa for you weirdos to share...

..........

 

[rapmastermind]

Damn KingofNYC needs to step his Game Up Rapemastermind has a jaw lock on Biggies dick, Necrophylia at its worst... I wonder if youstans fight over who loves Biggie more amongst yourselves or is there enough of your Big Poppa for you weirdos to share...

Coming from the guy that has done 1,000 threads on Biggie. Wow for Biggie being so averge you can't keep his name out your mouth:

Soloman = The Madd Poster. Tell why you mad

"Biggie is overrated and shouldn't get this praise. His albums aren't even all that. They just not reconizin"

Wow, A lot of Madd Posters up here. Here we are in Year 13 and the Haters still talk, but Biggie's Legendary Status still untouchable. Keep typing on a message board hoping to change history keyboard historian. While "Notorious" continues to shine. LOL @ Snoop having these dudes catch feelings cause he admitted Biggie would of ETHERED Pac. I know it hurts for a Westcoast Legend born and raise to give Biggie this credit. LOL.