The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[musicology1985]

yep. they wasn't taking that chance.

Pac knew that the GOV was after him since childhood, but he still fell for the trap set for him in NY. His manager Watani warned him and BIG warned, but Pac was just doing too much and got caught up, made a deal to get out and got caught up again before going back to court. I do agree with others though that had he not got into that fight, he may have been able to fulfill those year 2000 political aspirations fresh out of the pen. He had what it takes and at 29/30, would have been more well refined to deal with the responsibilities of being the "premier" Shakur.

Also, Watani had to protect Pac from the Crips in his earlier career due to a dispute, but due to him no longer being Pac's manager after the prison release, he could not protect him the second time and neither could Suge Knight.

 

[H-Rap 180]

to say pac wasn't politically relevant is just being down right bias & spiteful, do you know how fucking dim-witted that sounds coming out your mouth, your opinion should be vetoed just based off this

Some people just suffer from a lack of understanding.

Until you fully understand Cointelpro and the Shakur name you cant understand why people dont sallow the Kool-Aid.

Tupac was instrumental in th gang-truce of 1992 and he along with Mutulu Shakur created a "Thug Code", a code of ethics for street-hustlers. Now imagine one man having the power to bring warring gangs together and that same man has ties to the most fiercest, militant revolutionaries in America at his disposal and in his ear.

Thats dangerous.

 

[stupot0607]

Some people just suffer from a lack of understanding.

Until you fully understand Cointelpro and the Shakur name you cant understand why people dont sallow the Kool-Aid.

Tupac was instrumental in th gang-truce of 1992 and he along with Mutulu Shakur created a "Thug Code", a code of ethics for street-hustlers. Now imagine one man having the power to bring warring gangs together and that same man has ties to the most fiercest, militant revolutionaries in America at his disposal and in his ear.

Thats dangerous.

Always wondered why Mutulu never got touched, Although Pac HAD the power, Mutulu seemed to be the brains.

 

[birdcallaveli]

id believe pac was, but not big. there was nothing special or important about biggie, he was just another obese homosexual.

 

[stupot0607]

id believe pac was, but not big. there was nothing special or important about biggie, he was just another obese homosexual.

Yeah Man, Exactly. i agree with this (besides the obese homo thing)...

Pac politically was a force..... BIG Really wasnt, he was just a big hip hop figure.... maybe if they did knock off big it was to piss off or try and kill off hip hop. who the fuck knows man....

 

[musicology1985]

id believe pac was, but not big. there was nothing special or important about biggie, he was just another obese homosexual.

When I was younger I used to think the same thing, until I found out about the Rampart scandal and how it's connected to BIG's death. Actually, BIG's death rests squarely ON THE US GOV's shoulders.

 

[ustreet_monsta]

Chuck D, Immortal technique and zach de la rocha didnt have half the influence Pac had

What did Pac influence people to do? I'd argue that Chuck D had more actual real life political impact than Pac did, especially towards the end of Pac's career.

AEOM and Makavali were not political albums.

to say pac wasn't politically relevant is just being down right bias & spiteful, do you know how fucking dim-witted that sounds coming out your mouth, your opinion should be vetoed just based off this

Everytime anyone says anything about Pac you get really sensitive. Nobody is bad mouthing your idol fuckboy. Calm down.

Some people just suffer from a lack of understanding.

Until you fully understand Cointelpro and the Shakur name you cant understand why people dont sallow the Kool-Aid.

Tupac was instrumental in th gang-truce of 1992 and he along with Mutulu Shakur created a "Thug Code", a code of ethics for street-hustlers. Now imagine one man having the power to bring warring gangs together and that same man has ties to the most fiercest, militant revolutionaries in America at his disposal and in his ear.

Thats dangerous.

I fully understand Cointellpro, my question is what did Pac do to make him a political threat? More of a threat than the 100's of actual political prisoners and civil rights workers in this country. The gang-truce? How long was that in affect? Cuz it seems like Pac got killed taking part in gang activity. How many street-hustlers are really following Pac's "Thug Code?" When you elevate a conflicted character like Pac you do a disservice to the REAL soldiers out there in the struggle.

Yeah Man, Exactly. i agree with this (besides the obese homo thing)...

Pac politically was a force..... BIG Really wasnt, he was just a big hip hop figure.... maybe if they did knock off big it was to piss off or try and kill off hip hop. who the fuck knows man....

What did Pac do to make himself more of a political force than Benjamin Jealous or Al Sharpton or Jessee Jackson?

 

[KillaCham]

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[ustreet_monsta]

^I agree with that

Throw the chief of the LAPD who helped cover up Big's murder

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

What did Pac influence people to do? I'd argue that Chuck D had more actual real life political impact than Pac did, especially towards the end of Pac's career.

AEOM and Makavali were not political albums.

Everytime anyone says anything about Pac you get really sensitive. Nobody is bad mouthing your idol fuckboy. Calm down.

I fully understand Cointellpro, my question is what did Pac do to make him a political threat? More of a threat than the 100's of actual political prisoners and civil rights workers in this country. The gang-truce? How long was that in affect? Cuz it seems like Pac got killed taking part in gang activity. How many street-hustlers are really following Pac's "Thug Code?" When you elevate a conflicted character like Pac you do a disservice to the REAL soldiers out there in the struggle.

What did Pac do to make himself more of a political force than Benjamin Jealous or Al Sharpton or Jessee Jackson?

Simple answer his and his families political position and moves on top of his widely heard platform. IF he would have focused more he could have made even bigger moves as his international audience grew the points you quoted show the potential that was never reached in the accomplishment he was successful at in his life...

 

[ustreet_monsta]

Simple answer his and his families political position and moves on top of his widely heard platform. IF he would have focused more he could have made even bigger moves as his international audience grew the points you quoted show the potential that was never reached in the accomplishment he was successful at in his life...

Thanks.

So, whats your position on this? Was Pac killed by the government or did they just play the role of instigator?

 

[KillaCham]

lol these niggas all serious.

Guess these niggas believe Kim selling half a million mixtapes over night

LOL no one wants to just state the obvious. Without eccentric conspiracy theories against celebrities and famous figures, there would be nothing to keep talking about.

Marilyn Monroe O.D.'d.

Kurt Cobain blew his brains out.

They're too simple to face so there just HAS to be something more behind them. If people left it alone that Monroe and Cobain died at their own hands, they probably wouldn't be as famous as they are today.

^I agree with that

Throw the chief of the LAPD who helped cover up Big's murder

LAPD - the most crooked police force in the United States

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Thanks.

So, whats your position on this? Was Pac killed by the government or did they just play the role of instigator?

they were just instigators and silent observers Pac was Killed for trying to be a 25 year old Gangbanger soldier...

 

[rapmastermind]

Biggie death was by the Government cause the Police Force is an extension of the Goverment. Tupac Death was from the Goverment cause they've had an vendetta against the Shakur Family that documented during the Civil Rights Movement. They both had more power than people think. They were more scared of Pac but once they killed him, they didn't leave a chance for Biggie cause they knew he would grow to become even more powerful. It's kinda like when they clipped JFK and took RFK just to make sure he didn't become President, one you kill one, you have to kill the other. And don't get it twisted, I'm not saying Biggie and Pac are JFK, RFK, Martin or Malcolm but they were assassinated and it's time for people to wake up.

 

[okaay]

Maybe it was a big conspiracy but what did they prevent from happening by killing them. They'd be better off killing Suge and Diddy. money is power and Pac and Big were likely gettin raped in that department. Biggie was just a dope rapper I mean atleast Pac was a little political but still had really no credibility. I mean ho you know ready to die for Pac or even vote for him for that matter. He was dope but not cult dope.

 

[ibedamned]

is you niggas serious?

same shit i was thinkin i was ready to laugh and niggas got all serious

 

[Trollio]

dont trsut diddy

 

[rapmastermind]

Pac got murked by a gangbanger. Big got murked by rouge cops working for someone we all know. They were not Malcolm and Martin I know it sounds intriguing say they were political deaths but they wasnt.

Evidence shows that it was far from "Gang Bangers" that killed Biggie and Pac. That's the story they want you to believe. Just cause they were rappers doesn't mean that the government didn't want them dead. Also Biggie's death was far from "Rogue" Cops. The whole Department covered that ish up. Russel Poole Exposed the LAPD. David Mack was just one piece.

 

[talik23]

Lil' Kim claims the government is to blame for Biggie and Pac's murders, saying that they were "over [Suge Knight's] head."

Today marks the fourteenth anniversary of the tragic shooting of the Notorious B.I.G., and the occasion is even more bittersweet for his friends, family and fans as recent reports implicate the LAPD in a cover-up of potentially revealing evidence in his case. Now, one of Biggie's proteges and closest collaborators Lil' Kim took the occasion to speak on the loss of her Bad Boy teammate and friend.

During an interview with Power 93.5 FM's Lady T earlier, the Queen Bee explained that she discounts the rumors that link Death Row CEO Suge Knight to her Junior M.A.F.I.A. partner and his rival Tupac Shakur 1997 murders. She believes that the culprit is the government, who she say viewed both artists as a threat to their established power structure.

"I always felt like Biggie and Tupac's deaths were bigger than how they tried to make it out to believe it to be," she said. "It's bigger than Suge Knight being involved. I think it was even over his head. Them two were very powerful guys. They both could have ran for mayor just like Arnold Schwarzenegger and probably won. You know, I think the government was looking at it like, 'We could not have these two hood dudes with this much power running for mayor and something like that and winning.' They would have lost control I think. I think it was way deeper than what people would like to believe it to be. I can't say whether this person is involved, or that person is involved...I don't know. I do know that it's deeper than people would like to believe it to be."

[video=youtube;OYAE9G2_mwA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYAE9G2_mwA[/video]

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i agree i said the same shit.

 

[icame4wo]

Biggie death was by the Government cause the Police Force is an extension of the Goverment. Tupac Death was from the Goverment cause they've had an vendetta against the Shakur Family that documented during the Civil Rights Movement. They both had more power than people think. They were more scared of Pac but once they killed him, they didn't leave a chance for Biggie cause they knew he would grow to become even more powerful. It's kinda like when they clipped JFK and took RFK just to make sure he didn't become President, one you kill one, you have to kill the other. And don't get it twisted, I'm not saying Biggie and Pac are JFK, RFK, Martin or Malcolm but they were assassinated and it's time for people to wake up.