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musicology1985;1770291 said:
thats like comparing mc hammer and big daddy kane because they both danced, had great flows and touched on different topics from women to social issues etc.
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thats like comparing mc hammer and big daddy kane because they both danced, had great flows and touched on different topics from women to social issues etc.
musicology1985;1770291 said:skpjr78 has a point with the Shabba Ranks comparison because both were Jamaican with great flows who touched on sex themed topics and materialism, but Shabba had consciousness too.
rapmastermind has a point with BIG's disciples, whoe've done far better than probably any other rappers even with him not living that long to actual lead them:
Lil Kim
Jay Z
Mase
Cam'Ron
Lil Cease
unofficially with the Lox as well. All have found some level of success in the Rap Game with millions sold each minus Cease, who still did decent. You can just imagine how big it would have been if he'd survived. NaS & AZ have always been staunch BIG supporters as well.
camron was not a protege to big jay-z would'nt have been much he probably would have been a gold rapper and mase also was not a protege and the lox was never meant to sell records their a hardcore group.
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musicology1985
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Well it's cool. Some will agree with the Shabba comparison and some wont. I think that Jamaican influence is why BIG's flow was so much better than everyone elses. That's my opinion though.
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juelz21;1770318 said:camron was not a protege to big jay-z would'nt have been much he probably would have been a gold rapper and mase also was not a protege and the lox was never meant to sell records their a hardcore group.
Cam'Ron would have never got on had it not been for Mase plugging him to BIG. Puff & BIG opened the floodgates for a lot of people. BIG's man Lance 'Un" Riviera handled the actual contract through his label Untertainment and Cam was tied to that up until his hookup with Dame in 2002.
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juelz21;1770318 said:camron was not a protege to big jay-z would'nt have been much he probably would have been a gold rapper and mase also was not a protege and the lox was never meant to sell records their a hardcore group.
Yes Camron is a Biggie disciple also. Some of his 1st writing credits were on Lil Kim's album an album Biggie executive produced. His 1st record deal was with Biggie. Everyone in Dipset acknowledges Biggie as the Greatest Rapper Ever. Again, If I post Biggie's family tree you will not find a rapper in the history of Hip Hop with a better one. Jay Z and Lil Kim (Top 5 Male, Top 5 Female) are disciples of Biggie. Case Closed. Pac's Family Tree is not as strong as Biggie's. Also the East was able to shine after Big's death cause of the path he left behind. The West fell harder after Pac's death.
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musicology1985;1770338 said:Cam'Ron would have never got on had it not been for Mase plugging him to BIG. Puff & BIG opened the floodgates for a lot of people. BIG's man Lance 'Un" Riviera handled the actual contract through his label Untertainment and Cam was tied to that up until his hookup with Dame in 2002.
Biggie and Lance were 50/50 Partners in Untertainment a side label he started outside of Bad Boy sign Puff would not sign Junior Mafia and Lil Kim. Mase brought Cam to Biggie, but it was Biggie that got him signed. Cam already said Biggie was the reason he got a record deal.
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rapmastermind;1770341 said:Yes Camron is a Biggie disciple also. Some of his 1st writing credits were on Lil Kim's album an album Biggie executive produced. His 1st record deal was with Biggie. Everyone in Dipset acknowledges Biggie as the Greatest Rapper Ever. Again, If I post Biggie's family tree you will not find a rapper in the history of Hip Hop with a better one. Jay Z and Lil Kim (Top 5 Male, Top 5 Female) are disciples of Biggie. Case Closed. Pac's Family Tree is not as strong as Biggie's. Also the East was able to shine after Big's death cause of the path he left behind. The West fell harder after Pac's death.
Co Siggity....BIG really was a King with a Royal Family.
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musicology1985;1770324 said:Well it's cool. Some will agree with the Shabba comparison and some wont. I think that Jamaican influence is why BIG's flow was so much better than everyone elses. That's my opinion though.
Of course Biggie's Jamaican influences is why he had the best Flow. My point with the comparison is Biggie is closer to Bob Marley in Hip Hop than he is to Shabba. But I understand Skips point. He's saying Pac has a better Legacy which is true, I won't dispute that. But Big's Legacy is different. To Me Biggie was like the Hendrix and Cobain or even Bruce Lee of Hip Hop. Limited Material, Massive Impact.
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rapmastermind;1770341 said:Yes Camron is a Biggie disciple also. Some of his 1st writing credits were on Lil Kim's album an album Biggie executive produced. His 1st record deal was with Biggie. Everyone in Dipset acknowledges Biggie as the Greatest Rapper Ever. Again, If I post Biggie's family tree you will not find a rapper in the history of Hip Hop with a better one. Jay Z and Lil Kim (Top 5 Male, Top 5 Female) are disciples of Biggie. Case Closed. Pac's Family Tree is not as strong as Biggie's. Also the East was able to shine after Big's death cause of the path he left behind. The West fell harder after Pac's death.
according to cam he met biggie spit for him and biggie liked what he heard and got him his deal with un rivera which is un's label not biggie's label. and lil kim don't even write her own sh1t so she is not a top lyricist. biggie don't have a family tree all he got is junior mafia that's it.
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lol at Big being a king, Biggie was just in the right situation at the right time. He so happen to get discovered by the hottest young exec who just got a big check from Clive Davis to start up his own label, i don't think Biggies career would of been the same if he took the same path as Cam and Jay imo.
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rapmastermind;1770350 said:Biggie and Lance were 50/50 Partners in Untertainment a side label he started outside of Bad Boy sign Puff would not sign Junior Mafia and Lil Kim. Mase brought Cam to Biggie, but it was Biggie that got him signed. Cam already said Biggie was the reason he got a record deal.
I never said that Puff had anything to do with Cam getting signed, I said that him and BIG opened the floodgates for a lot of people. Shit, if it wasn't for Puff, none of it would have happened. Same for Eazy and the West's rise. Props on putting me up on BIG's ownership stake. He was smart for that but again, unfortunately he didn't live long enough to lead it with Lance.
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skpjr78;1770142 said:this from a gay-z stan who uses his boyfriends pic as an avi. fuckin homo
LOL @ this faggot being unable to read satire, proving once again that people from the south are remedial as shit.
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usmarin3;1770364 said:lol at Big being a king, Biggie was just in the right situation at the right time. He so happen to get discovered by the hottest young exec who just got a big check from Clive Davis to start up his own label, i don't think Biggies career would of been the same if he took the same path as Cam and Jay imo.
I think Puff influenced the Source to name him that because he's always been good with the Magazine's out there. I'mma continue calling him that as well as all of the disciples who followed behind him.
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rapmastermind;1770359 said:Of course Biggie's Jamaican influences is why he had the best Flow. My point with the comparison is Biggie is closer to Bob Marley in Hip Hop than he is to Shabba. But I understand Skips point. He's saying Pac has a better Legacy which is true, I won't dispute that. But Big's Legacy is different. To Me Biggie was like the Hendrix and Cobain or even Bruce Lee of Hip Hop. Limited Material, Massive Impact.
Oh that's what you meant. Voletta Wallace and the Marley Family agree with you as well. Remember they did that posthumous track a few years back?
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lol by that logic if cameron is biggie disciple then biggie is pacs disciple, but really why is this the only discussion thaty seems to pop up on this site? and why are you always only apearing when it has something to do with biggie dont ya like other rappers? again though this subject is played out both you biggie and pac stans need to find something new to talk aboutrapmastermind;1770341 said:Yes Camron is a Biggie disciple also. Some of his 1st writing credits were on Lil Kim's album an album Biggie executive produced. His 1st record deal was with Biggie. Everyone in Dipset acknowledges Biggie as the Greatest Rapper Ever. Again, If I post Biggie's family tree you will not find a rapper in the history of Hip Hop with a better one. Jay Z and Lil Kim (Top 5 Male, Top 5 Female) are disciples of Biggie. Case Closed. Pac's Family Tree is not as strong as Biggie's. Also the East was able to shine after Big's death cause of the path he left behind. The West fell harder after Pac's death.
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playmaker88
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Like what you like who fuckin cares.. you can and are allowed to appreciate both.. just saying.. Niggas will have impassioned arguments about some rappers or other frivolous bullshit but when it comes to something other than party and bullshit.. niggas have no words.. get ya shit straight.
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AntonLATroy;1770407 said:lol by that logic if cameron is biggie disciple then biggie is pacs disciple, but really why is this the only discussion thaty seems to pop up on this site? and why are you always only apearing when it has something to do with biggie dont ya like other rappers? again though this subject is played out both you biggie and pac stans need to find something new to talk about
yet yo ass in this thread.
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rapmastermind
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I also think yes THE LOX are disciples of Biggie. There styles are heavily influenced by Biggie. All 3 of them call Biggie the GOAT. Also them being on "Life After Death" propelled their career more than I think they understand.
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Biggie was a better punchline rapper and storyteller. But in terms of lyricism, creativity, flow, impact, etc. Pac was much better.
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rapmastermind;1770416 said:I also think yes THE LOX are disciples of Biggie. There styles are heavily influenced by Biggie. All 3 of them call Biggie the GOAT. Also them being on "Life After Death" propelled their career more than I think they understand.
the lox was rapping before they even met biggie and was called the warlox and was on main source album they was not influence by biggie they were nifluence by g rap krs-one rakim n1ggas like that
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