TRILLip Brooks
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juelz21;1768588 said:
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ChuckieInDaMurderAve
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Hobe cryant;1768554 said:
I don't see how your ranking of Biggie has anything to do with your opinion on 2Pac being little more than blatant hatred in opposition against idiotic stans.
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rapmastermind
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rapmastermind;1768499 said:
The Biggest thing Tupac had over Biggie was subject matter. Pac spoke on so many issues through his rhymes.
Pac is a Legend for his image, his story, his life and everything in between. In ways Biggie is the same way but his Legend
is measured differently than Pac. Biggie's Legend is based mostly around his skills as an emcee. Biggie was the MC's Emcee. More
rappers are influenced by Biggie's Lyrics than Pac's. When you look at it, Techinally speaking, Big had the edge over Pac
In several catagories:
Lyrics - Biggie
Flow - Biggie
Delivery - Biggie
Storytelling - Biggie
Metaphors - Biggie
Multi-syillbic rhymes - Biggie
Wordpaly - Biggie
Yes Pac took Big's under his wing at a young age and taught him some things. But the fact is
Biggie was a Lyricist from the beginning of his career, he came from the underground battling
in the Mecca of Hip Hop. The only true to to judge this is to listen to the songs they were on together. Here they are:
rapmastermind;227684 said:I think they were neck and neck as complete artist. Pac has the edge in subject matter but they are both even as far as song making ability, hooks. Big had the edge Lyrically and Storytelling wise because he was more visual than Pac but Pac was still a very good storyteller. They both could convey strong emotion through their records. To Me I love listening to all their callabos cause it was a Young Biggie who just got into the game and Pac after releasing a couple albums. Here are the 5 Callabo's Biggie and Pac did while alive:
"2 NOTORIOUS FOR HIP HOP"
1993:
[video=youtube;f1fqL8nnrdE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1fqL8nnrdE&feature=related[/video]
"House of Pain" - The Notorious B.I.G. featuring Tupac and Stretch (This song was an outtake from Ready To Die that Puffy admitted leaving off cause he felt the song didn't fit the vibe of the album. Both Biggie and Pac were recording albums at the time. All 3 members on the song have been murdered. This track showed early how versitle Biggie was as it's a Westcoast beat that he still ripped on)
[video=youtube;FvSunXmm7b8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvSunXmm7b8&feature=related[/video]
Spike Lee Freestyle Tupac & Biggie - The Legendary filmmaker himself Spike Lee had the camera on Pac and Biggie after a show. Pac and Biggie were chilling, smoking and drinking and then break out into a freestyle battle. Both verses would be heard on later recordings but at this time they were both freestyles. Pac even meantions Spike Lee in his rhymes. This video shows a strong contrast between both artist. Pac even says in his rhyme "To My N!gga B.I. to the G beside me"
1994:
[video=youtube;Z61YLEQ-tj8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z61YLEQ-tj8[/video]
"Running from the Police" Tupac featuring Outlaws, Notorious B.I.G., Stretch and Buju Baton - After Biggie had planned to put Pac on his debut album, Pac retured to the favor as this Classic under cut was to be featured on either "Me against the world" or "Thug Life" album. The Beef squashed any attempt at that.
[video=youtube;ZErbKzMGfM0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZErbKzMGfM0[/video]
"Let's Get It On" - Eddie F and the Untouchables featuring Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G. and Heavy D - This is another slept on gem that Pac and Biggie recorded together before the beef.
[video=youtube;v4dlxIs2r2U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4dlxIs2r2U[/video]
Madison Square Garden Freestyle - Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G., Big Daddy Kane, Big Scoop and Shyhiem - This Legendary freestyle was voted as one of the greatest performances in Madison Square Garden History as a Young Biggie and Pac go toe to toe in front of a live New York audience while both outshined a Rap Legend in Big Daddy Kane.
3 Songs, 2 Freestyles. Biggie had the edge in basically all of them lyrically though I love Pac's verses on "Running" and "Let's get it on".
It's clear that Big was a more gifted Lyricist than Pac. Which is why more rappers have sampled Big's lyrics than Pac.
When rappers get in the both, a Biggie lyric is on their mind cause of the way he said it. The way he would flip words.
Some try to say Biggie wasn't a "Super Lyricist" cause he didn't use Big words but that's exactly why he is.
He was able to get more out of 1 bar than any rapper in History. He could use less words and say so much with those words.
Here's a video of Biggie at age 17 rapping on the block. You will not find a video of Tupac rapping like this at 17. It's clear Biggie was
The Better Lyricist:
[video=youtube;4hbwdAOogBw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbwdAOogBw[/video]
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BackInWhite
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juelz21;1768588 said:
but you're impressed with
"my nigga bone held the chrome til i came home"
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runningwolf1980
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rapmastermind
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BackInWhite;1768629 said:
I think the "Notorious Thugs" and "Thug Luv" is the perfect example to prove Biggie is a better Lyricist than Pac. Pac did nothing special on the track with Bone. Biggie not only flippped his style, he flipped his flow and lyricist. Pac just spit a normal Pac verse. Biggie's verse is still quoted and talked about till this day. Both songs are Classics do doubt but from a lyrical and emcee standpoint it's clear Biggie's appearence with Bone was way more impressive than Pac's.
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BackInWhite
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juelz21;1768653 said:
i won't be reading anything you endorse
you're clearly fucking retarded and syphilitic
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BackInWhite
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juelz21;1768675 said:
do you seriously believe what you're saying or is this a gimmick?
are you really at your house laughing at a nigga?
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TRILLip Brooks
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BackInWhite;1768679 said:
back n white ignore this clown
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Ishi;1768405 said:
[video=youtube;jLe27xemg-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLe27xemg-8&feature=related[/video]
^^^big WAS pac's disiple. know what u r talking about b4 u open ur fucking mouth!!!!!!! real talk nigga. FACTS!!!!! fuck ur opinion. this shit is FACT.
pac is the 1 who bought big into the game. puff signed him but pac gave him his shine and coached him. if not 4 pac vouching for that nigga and giving him the rules of the game he would have been puff's next heavy d or something. pac let big open for him and do shows b4 any1 in nyc knew who the fuck he was. nyc niggas talking all that we love big shit but if not 4 pac no1 would have heard of him. pac coached him and told him how 2 spit and what types of songs to make. big went from another typical east coast grimmy nigga on some party and bullshit type of shit to big poppa overnight. pac put him onto that shit not puff. and he damn sure didnt come up with it himself. big was pac's DISCIPLE and PROTEGE!!!! FACT nigga. all FACTS.
who was he gonna listen to puff?????? u see what puff did to father mc and craig mack. puff already had big set up to be the first mase. puff will tell u himself that he was looking for a lightskinned, good hair, ll cool j type, crossover artist who was easy on the eyes. he was determined to turn big into heavy fucking d. FACTS!!! puff already had that nigga pigeon holed on some pop shit. if not for pac puff would have had that fat nigga in shinny suits 3 years b4 mase.
pac coached that nigga and showed him what to do in the rap game. keep in mind that no1 in nyc ever heard of the nigga. pac is the 1 who gave him some shine. so yes big was pac's DISCIPLE. get mad all u want but it cant change the FACTS.
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G.R.I.P. Money $$$
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bruh at the house laughin, if his iq was really as low as he makes it look with his posts, he wouldnt be able to type...
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redhandedbandit
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biggie and pacs styles werent the same tho all pac really told big was make some songs for the club
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G.R.I.P. Money $$$
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no homo bruh...
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ChuckieInDaMurderAve
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juelz21;1768712 said:
juelz21 is probably turning into my favorite poster in IC.
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emceemurda
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lol at interview "yo im starting to turn into slick rick", I don't hate neither because they to different type of rappers. They the ying and yang of the rap shit. Either argument is valid its only of opinion but to me this is how it goes...
biggie in terms of entertainment and punchlines/flow/rhyme patterns..
pac when im serious or need to think.. passion/delivery/message
If hip-hop was a religion it would have been hinduism because most people treat it like a religion and all these rappers are literally like diety's/idols
what one deity has the other can't offer, however what one rapper lacks is the reason why another rapper is better.
There is no way I could listen to just one rapper because I want to listen to everyone. If you even choose one its becaue of personal reasons to me.
after all this I would say that pac is the better overal artist but biggie is the better emcee, for proof I would just say that pac is the better icon he is the mj of rap.
So Big goat of hip-hop (argueable) - rappers like rakim, nas jay-z,etc
pac goat of rap (argueable) - rappers like ti, j.cole, DMX, 50 cent, ja- rule.etc
biggie in terms of entertainment and punchlines/flow/rhyme patterns..
pac when im serious or need to think.. passion/delivery/message
If hip-hop was a religion it would have been hinduism because most people treat it like a religion and all these rappers are literally like diety's/idols
what one deity has the other can't offer, however what one rapper lacks is the reason why another rapper is better.
There is no way I could listen to just one rapper because I want to listen to everyone. If you even choose one its becaue of personal reasons to me.
after all this I would say that pac is the better overal artist but biggie is the better emcee, for proof I would just say that pac is the better icon he is the mj of rap.
So Big goat of hip-hop (argueable) - rappers like rakim, nas jay-z,etc
pac goat of rap (argueable) - rappers like ti, j.cole, DMX, 50 cent, ja- rule.etc
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