The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[illogics]

Biggie grew up on that battle tip, it was a part of his niche. Pac was a more subdued lyricist, poet. Two completely different types of emcees.

This sentence right here proves that you don't even believe yourself.

 

[Focal Point]

There's no way in hell Biggie would've ripped Pac. No way at all.

Saying Biggie would've ripped Pac, makes it seem like Pac would've stood no chance...and that's not being realistic.

Biggie grew up on that battle tip, it was a part of his niche. Pac was a more subdued lyricist, poet. Two completely different types of emcees.

Pac, in my opinion, being the more poetic of the two, was more effective with words, hence why he's more lauded.

I think he would've won against Biggie, regardless.

put that bottle and blunt down....

 

[rusty shackleford]

Outside of a few songs I dont hear this broad subject matter people say Biggie covered...his music was pretty much drug dealing talk, big money talk, and songs for ladies...all of the shit people hate rappers nowadays for doing...

that's why he's considered the best by more than a few people.. because real life drug dealers to this day can't express theirselves with the fluidity that he did.. gangsta rap died when he did. end of story..

 

[Punisher__]

put that bottle and blunt down....

Nigga, shut up.

 

[Focal Point]

Nigga, shut up.

lol pull ya panties out ya ass

 

[blackrain]

that's why he's considered the best by more than a few people.. because real life drug dealers to this day can't express theirselves with the fluidity that he did.. gangsta rap died when he did. end of story..

yeah cuz no good gangsta rap has come out since 1997...none at all...yall need to stop with this "hip hop died" or "insert this here is dead" stuff...nothing in hip-hop is dead and if it was then it was weak as fuck to die so easily

 

[rapmastermind]

Outside of a few songs I dont hear this broad subject matter people say Biggie covered...his music was pretty much drug dealing talk, big money talk, and songs for ladies...all of the shit people hate rappers nowadays for doing...he had some interospective songs but not many...and I wish he would've made more because "Everyday Struggle" is one of my top 10 favorite songs from any genre of music that I've ever heard in my life and Im not even that much of a Biggie fan

Here's the thing about Biggie's subject matter. He wasn't trying to educate or school anyone. He was simply trying to paint pictures for you to visualize his words. But within the rhymes was very deep, emotional and spirital lyrics. Take the song you mention, "Everyday Struggle". Yes at its core it's a song about a Drug Dealers life and what happens when you live that lifestyle but the lyrics talk about a deeper meaning like why Big was selling drugs in the first place. To feed his family. "Ready To Die" is one of the most conscience albums in Hip Hop History, that's why I laugh when people say Biggie wasn't deep. That album captured the black inner city experience to a tee. How many people are living the "Everyday Struggle"? many. But "Juicy" and "Sky's the Limit" are Biggie's "Emotional" records. Again he was only 24. I believe as Big would of gotten older, he would of gotten more politically.

Pac was raised by a Black Panther, he was more socially consious than Big because of his upbringing. Biggie conisdered himself a flimmaker on wax which is why he called himself "Biggie Smalls and Frank White" both names taken from movies. As well as "Notorious" which Biggie said he got that name from a Hitchcock flim. Big also called himself the "Hitchcock of Hip Hop". Big made movies on wax. I just wish we got a chance to see those great lyrics, flow and delievery on more deeper subjects but again he was only 24.

 

[R.D.]

I think they were neck and neck as complete artist. Pac has the edge in subject matter but they are both even as far as song making ability, hooks. Big had the edge Lyrically and Storytelling wise because he was more visual than Pac but Pac was still a very good storyteller. They both could convey strong emotion through their records. To Me I love listening to all their callabos cause it was a Young Biggie who just got into the game and Pac after releasing a couple albums. Here are the 5 Callabo's Biggie and Pac did while alive:

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Pac was far better at storytelling and its not even close...Stop that

 

[illogics]

"Ready To Die" is one of the most conscience albums in Hip Hop History

You're putting too much on it. WAY too much.

 

[blackrain]

Here's the thing about Biggie's subject matter. He wasn't trying to educate or school anyone. He was simply trying to paint pictures for you to visualize his words. But within the rhymes was very deep, emotional and spirital lyrics. Take the song you mention, "Everyday Struggle". Yes at its core it's a song about a Drug Dealers life and what happens when you live that lifestyle but the lyrics talk about a deeper meaning like why Big was selling drugs in the first place. To feed his family. "Ready To Die" is one of the most conscience albums in Hip Hop History, that's why I laugh when people say Biggie wasn't deep. That album captured the black inner city experience to a tee. How many people are living the "Everyday Struggle"? many. But "Juicy" and "Sky's the Limit" are Biggie's "Emotional" records. Again he was only 24. I believe as Big would of gotten older, he would of gotten more politically.

Pac was raised by a Black Panther, he was more socially consious than Big because of his upbringing. Biggie conisdered himself a flimmaker on wax which is why he called himself "Biggie Smalls and Frank White" both names taken from movies. As well as "Notorious" which Biggie said he got that name from a Hitchcock flim. Big also called himself the "Hitchcock of Hip Hop". Big made movies on wax. I just wish we got a chance to see those great lyrics, flow and delievery on more deeper subjects but again he was only 24.

I agree that had Biggie not been killed with his lyrical skill and just simply learning more about the world his music most likely would've been nuts...but as far as the music he made while he was here yeah it's good but there are very few Biggie songs where I've heard them and just been in awe of what he's said on the track...Everyday Struggle, Sky's The Limit, etc...Im not sayin Biggie should've ONLY made songs like this but Im sayin that in terms of topic matter Biggie was no different than what people now criticize as being the "death" of hip-hop...he was about the flash/bragging about money aspect as much as any other rapper...and if that movie about him realy was accurate with all that shit goin on in his life he could've found more to rap about than drugs and murdering the Virgin Mary...and that's why I think so many more people relate to Pac than Biggie...everybody ain't out on the streets hustling, the average person in or out the hood isn't selling drugs so not everybody can relate to those stories...Pac was good at taking everyday things and making songs about them...Biggie was good at taking street things and making songs about them only problem is the majority of people don't live their lives in the streets or partying driving Benz to every party in NYC so alot of people either can't relate or simply get tired of hearing that many songs about drug dealing or partyin all the time

 

[rapmastermind]

Pac was far better at storytelling and its not even close...Stop that

I don't know if I can agree, again Pac was a great storyteller but he didn't paint the picture the way Big did. Pac never made a story as visual as "Somebody's got To Die" that had a shock ending and all. Pac never made story where he played two characters like "Gimmie the Loot and Warning". Again I think Pac is under-rated as a storyteller but he was not better than Big. Emotion? Subject matter? Pac > Big all day but those are the only catagories in emceeing that I would put Pac over Big. Big had the edge in Storytelling, Lyrics, Flow. They were neck and neck on Commerical Tracks though Big had more success on the charts with his songs. Sales, of course Pac has the edge but Biggie sold half of what Pac did with 2 albums and 2 cut and paste albums. That's huge that people still brought Biggie albums from verses they already heard.

 

[rusty shackleford]

You're putting too much on it. WAY too much.

i don't mean to go out onna limb here but i thought about that for a second after reading it & i think it's definitely up there with some real life awakining content. think about it, the album starts off where he's gettin' outta prison.. he goes right back to the life he was living before.. [not to say that was his REAL life.. hiphops entertainment & he jus so happen to know his audience...] all through the album, he was the same dude & he ends up killin' his self @ the end.. i'd say that's a pretty acurate description of 8 outta 10 people who don't learn from havin' their freedumb takin' away the first time..

 

[rapmastermind]

You're putting too much on it. WAY too much.

ILL's, I didn't say it was the "BEST" consious album, obviously they were better and most subjects touched. But if we had an album that would define the inner city experience. Meaning Blacks or minority growing up in the metorplotians cities of America. You have to put "RTD" up there. Yes, dudes rob pregant women. Dudes rob trains. As graphic as what Big rap about was, it was going on in hoods all across America. That's one of the biggest reason I think "RTD" blew, sure it had hits but many people in many different cities all across America could relate to the experience that was presented:

Will Smith - "Ready To Die should be stuided in psychology classes to show the plight of the African American Male in the Inner City"

Cornell West echoed the same thing.

 

[Punisher__]

I honestly don't know who is more redundant...rapmastermind or dretox.

I'm tempted to call it even.

 

[blackrain]

ILL's, I didn't say it was the "BEST" consious album, obviously they were better and most subjects touched. But if we had an album that would define the inner city experience. Meaning Blacks or minority growing up in the metorplotians cities of America. You have to put "RTD" up there. Yes, dudes rob pregant women. Dudes rob trains. As graphic as what Big rap about was, it was going on in hoods all across America. That's one of the biggest reason I think "RTD" blew, sure it had hits but many people in many different cities all across America could relate to the experience that was presented:

Will Smith - "Ready To Die should be stuided in psychology classes to show the plight of the African American Male in the Inner City"

Cornell West echoed the same thing.

and yet it's Pac's lyrics and poetry that has already been studied in college classrooms for a few years now...

 

[rusty shackleford]

and yet it's Pac's lyrics and poetry that has already been studied in college classrooms for a few years now...

... i seeeeeee....... then it's no wonder why women get treated like they do..

 

[georgia boi]

Biggie was easily a better battle rapper than Pac, but I'd still put Pac ahead of Big as a lyricist overall b/c Pac was more diverse and was the better songwriter. It's not far fetched to say that Biggie would've beat Pac in a battle.

 

[illogics]

i don't mean to go out onna limb here but i thought about that for a second after reading it & i think it's definitely up there with some real life awakining content. think about it, the album starts off where he's gettin' outta prison.. he goes right back to the life he was living before.. [not to say that was his REAL life.. hiphops entertainment & he jus so happen to know his audience...] all through the album, he was the same dude & he ends up killin' his self @ the end.. i'd say that's a pretty acurate description of 8 outta 10 people who don't learn from havin' their freedumb takin' away the first time..

All I'm gonna say is...

Gimme The Loot
Machine Gun Funk
Warning
One More Chance
The What
Me and My Bitch
Big Poppa
Friend of Mine

 

[blackrain]

... i seeeeeee....... then it's no wonder why women get treated like they do..

uhh...not following you there

 

[rapmastermind]

and yet it's Pac's lyrics and poetry that has already been studied in college classrooms for a few years now...

Yes because Pac touched on these subjects but more from a postive angle. Biggie gave you the raw, as violent and wrong as it could be, he told it. "Gimmie the Loot" is a song about two robbers that car jack rich people and end in a shootout with police. I've never robbed anyone in my life but Biggie brought me to that experience. He was just that visual lyrically. I say to this day, "RTD and LAD" play like a motion picture Trilogy with the Raise and Fall Concept:

RTD - The Godfather

LAD - The Godfather II & III