The Official 2pac Versus Biggie Thread...

[5th Letter]

They would have an underground buzz. Depending on how hard they try to get signed. The game is much different than it was when they were coming up and it would probably be harder for them to get put on.

 

[mike06]

they would get a record deal easy....i think Big alot more easier than Pac...Big had charisma and lyrics for days and his skill set alone would've gotten him a deal....Pac being a loose cannon and wit all the revolutionary stuff he was on in the beginning would've either had to turn to his fake gangsta image to bring in fans or stay underground and act....

 

[ItzGravitation]

Pac would get a deal

BIG would be like Kiss or Fab

local and only hot in NYC

 

[qawshun]

big would move ross outta his slot and do what he did when he got signed i don't know what pac would be like

 

[ItzGravitation]

big would move ross outta his slot and do what he did when he got signed i don't know what pac would be like

Ross would shit on BIG today if he was a new nigga

 

[rapmastermind]

Just watch the Interview, Snoop Dogg talks exclusively about how Pac was upset at him before he died for co-signning Biggie. Snoop said that he and Biggie were friends before he and Tupac. For those of you that don't know, Biggie used a snoop record on the intro to "Ready To Die" and on the 1st song on "Life After Death", "Somebody's got to die", Biggie opens the song with "Trying to sell records like Snoop". LOL @ a Westcoast Legend and one of Pac's boys Co-signing Biggie's greatness. Snoop even admits that Biggie killed it on the subliminal tip which finally says what we all knew, "Long Kiss Goodnight" was definitley 100% a Pac and Suge diss. Just watch the interview:

(Snoop Dogg admits Biggie was one of the ILLest EVER)

 

[Stew]

Thats fine and all but Pac was still better overall and Snoop will more then likely tell you that too if asked.

 

[Punisher__]

Who cares?

 

[Focal Point]

When it came to the technical aspect of rapping (what ya call being lyrical)... Biggie way ahead of Pac.

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

that doesnt necessarily make biggie better than pac..even tho i have biggie 1 spot ahead of pac on the goat list...

 

[rapmastermind]

But I don't like this opinion just cause it's someone from the West supporting Big's Legacy but the fact that Snoop was actually close with Pac and he was trying to tell Pac to sqaush the B.S. and stop beefing with Biggie and Puffy. There is this interview with Pac and Snoop at the MTV awards and Snoop clearly looked uncomfortable when Pac was talking trash to the reporter. Pac noticed Snoop's body lanuage and toned it down. This was one of the last interviews Pac did before he died. This is why I laugh when dudes act like "Hit Em Up" was something Biggie couldn't recover from. Everyone in Hip Hop knew, if Biggie wanted to, he would of gotten Pac and he damn sure would of bodied every memeber of the Outlaws Lyrically. Even as a Big Biggie fan, I had now Idea Snoop was in the studio while Biggie recorded "Life After Death", that was news to me.

Snoop: "Cause the n!gga had skills, if he wanted to shoot back some SUPER GANGSTA Sh!t, he would of"

 

[rapmastermind]

Who cares?

Man Snoop is a Hip Hop Legend and his opinion on the matter is very valid. He lived the westcoast and he also had love on the East. Eastcoast birthed Hip Hop and even though the West produced different kind of music, Snoop always had love on the east cause of his flow. Say what you want about Snoop, he has one of the greatest flows of all time. I think most rap fans feel this way anyway. Pac didn't want Biggie to make his version of "Hit Em Up". "Long Kiss Goodnight' was brutal lyrically and to me it was censored cause of Pac's untimely death. If Pac would of kept pushing the issue, Biggie would of gotten him. I also believe dispite the beef, Pac understood Biggie was dope and he knew deep down inside Big was extremely talented.

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

Biggie would have ate 2pac for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. pac's lyrics were no where close to being on BIG's level. but musically, pac was more gifted by a half a nudge. But BIG and pac in a battle, thats a first round KO for BIG

 

[maximus preme]

everyone has been saying this since the 90s...

 

[jrod44]

Biggie couldnt do anything lyrically to hurt Pac. Pac used to put the dude on not vice versa. Copied his style, slept on his couch, 5 shots couldnt stop him he took it and smiled, what was left for Biggie?

As far as Snoop, well I personally think Tha Doggfather had just as many subliminals as Life After Death, I remember listening to it, and thinking Snoop was shitting on Pac.

 

[You Mad]

Lyrically, yes, Biggie could have easily ripped Pac. That's not saying that Pac didn't have more shit on BIG though.

 

[rapmastermind]

Biggie would have ate 2pac for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. pac's lyrics were no where close to being on BIG's level. but musically, pac was more gifted by a half a nudge. But BIG and pac in a battle, thats a first round KO for BIG

I think they were neck and neck as complete artist. Pac has the edge in subject matter but they are both even as far as song making ability, hooks. Big had the edge Lyrically and Storytelling wise because he was more visual than Pac but Pac was still a very good storyteller. They both could convey strong emotion through their records. To Me I love listening to all their callabos cause it was a Young Biggie who just got into the game and Pac after releasing a couple albums. Here are the 5 Callabo's Biggie and Pac did while alive:

"2 NOTORIOUS FOR HIP HOP"

1993:



"House of Pain" - The Notorious B.I.G. featuring Tupac and Stretch (This song was an outtake from Ready To Die that Puffy admitted leaving off cause he felt the song didn't fit the vibe of the album. Both Biggie and Pac were recording albums at the time. All 3 members on the song have been murdered. This track showed early how versitle Biggie was as it's a Westcoast beat that he still ripped on)



Spike Lee Freestyle Tupac & Biggie - The Legendary filmmaker himself Spike Lee had the camera on Pac and Biggie after a show. Pac and Biggie were chilling, smoking and drinking and then break out into a freestyle battle. Both verses would be heard on later recordings but at this time they were both freestyles. Pac even meantions Spike Lee in his rhymes. This video shows a strong contrast between both artist. Pac even says in his rhyme "To My N!gga B.I. to the G beside me"

1994:



"Running from the Police" Tupac featuring Outlaws, Notorious B.I.G., Stretch and Buju Baton - After Biggie had planned to put Pac on his debut album, Pac retured to the favor as this Classic under cut was to be featured on either "Me against the world" or "Thug Life" album. The Beef squashed any attempt at that.



"Let's Get It On" - Eddie F and the Untouchables featuring Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G. and Heavy D - This is another slept on gem that Pac and Biggie recorded together before the beef.



Madison Square Garden Freestyle - Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G., Big Daddy Kane, Big Scoop and Shyhiem - This Legendary freestyle was voted as one of the greatest performances in Madison Square Garden History as a Young Biggie and Pac go toe to toe in front of a live New York audience while both outshined a Rap Legend in Big Daddy Kane.

3 Songs, 2 Freestyles. Biggie had the edge in basically all of them lyrically though I love Pac's verses on "Running" and "Let's get it on".

 

[blackrain]

Outside of a few songs I dont hear this broad subject matter people say Biggie covered...his music was pretty much drug dealing talk, big money talk, and songs for ladies...all of the shit people hate rappers nowadays for doing...he had some interospective songs but not many...and I wish he would've made more because "Everyday Struggle" is one of my top 10 favorite songs from any genre of music that I've ever heard in my life and Im not even that much of a Biggie fan

 

[rusty shackleford]

(Snoop Dogg admits Biggie was one of the ILLest EVER)

^^Proof that he aint lost his mind.. Big could rap circles around the dude while rollin' a blunt & thinkin' up a new rhyme @ the same time.. Pac & everyone around him knew it.. Hell, Pac couldn't even keep from contridicting his self on his own shit.. If he wanted to actually test his skill against another rapper.. Sicking to his level of verbal ability woulda meant takin' aim @ Onyx or some shit.

Disclaimer: This isn't to take away from pac as an artist.. But come on folks, we're talkin' about hiphop here.. Not a poetry slam.

 

[Punisher__]

There's no way in hell Biggie would've ripped Pac. No way at all.

Saying Biggie would've ripped Pac, makes it seem like Pac would've stood no chance...and that's not being realistic.

Biggie grew up on that battle tip, it was a part of his niche. Pac was a more subdued lyricist, poet. Two completely different types of emcees.

Pac, in my opinion, being the more poetic of the two, was more effective with words, hence why he's more lauded.

I think he would've won against Biggie, regardless.