Neophyte Wolfgang
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Thibs is a good coach but one of the most stubborn men I have ever seen. Always thought he was overrated and I don't care what anyone says
Neophyte Wolfgang
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Noah.....smh his offense is so weak
jo is killing this team playing 36 minutes scoring 4 points more than a dead man on a similar fg% -- im starting to hate when he gets the ball now it just seems like hes lost all his feel on the offensive end
lazy passes
cant score
turnovers
holds on to the ball far too long
etc
he cant even hit his free throws anymore he has lost all confidence in shooting which is weird since you wouldnt think it has much to do with the knee but confidence can be a fragile thing i guess -- if hes struggling to guard his man on the perimeter and cant take advantage on the other end then he dont need to be out there
he should be playing 15-20 minutes at most coming from the bench and never with two other C's if thibs was really elite he would make the tough decision to reduce noahs minutes along with playing niko at the 4 -- mirotic showed too much in march to be a footnote these playoffs but back to reality thibs will keep bringing taj first off the bench and keep running jo out there especially knowing how much this next series means to him so were left hoping noahs hate for lebron drives him more than what his knee has not been allowing him to do for a better part of the season
lazy passes
cant score
turnovers
holds on to the ball far too long
etc
he cant even hit his free throws anymore he has lost all confidence in shooting which is weird since you wouldnt think it has much to do with the knee but confidence can be a fragile thing i guess -- if hes struggling to guard his man on the perimeter and cant take advantage on the other end then he dont need to be out there
he should be playing 15-20 minutes at most coming from the bench and never with two other C's if thibs was really elite he would make the tough decision to reduce noahs minutes along with playing niko at the 4 -- mirotic showed too much in march to be a footnote these playoffs but back to reality thibs will keep bringing taj first off the bench and keep running jo out there especially knowing how much this next series means to him so were left hoping noahs hate for lebron drives him more than what his knee has not been allowing him to do for a better part of the season
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/winners-and-losers-in-the-nba-playoffs/
Chicago’s Frontcourt and Nonthreatening Bigs
Another way the league is getting smarter: More teams are flat-out ignoring big guys who can’t shoot or post up. Bogut might have been the first big man to really optimize the defensive three-second rule like this — or at least take things to the extreme. If Omer Asik was at the elbow during the Warriors-Pelicans series, Bogut was somewhere else — doubling Anthony Davis in the post, butting his way into a passing lane, and generally paying Asik no attention.
More teams are following suit, in a few ways. Milwaukee is fine switching wing players onto Joakim Noah, confident a hobbled Noah has no shot to punish them. That has neutered a lot of the Noah handoffs that once powered Chicago’s Derrick Rose–less offense:
Noah has also struggled slipping entry passes to Butler in the post, since Noah’s guy just ignores him to double Butler. You can bet the Cavs, facing the possibility of having to play small more without Kevin Love, have taken note.
There are ways for offenses to counter this. The Bulls have turned over some handoff duty to Taj Gibson, who has enough back-to-the-basket game that teams will at least think twice about switching a smaller player onto him. And if no one is guarding your big man, you can always involve him in a pick-and-roll; his guy will be out of the play, in no position to meet a ball handler darting around a pick.
Chicago’s frontcourt is a giant question mark. Noah is hurting, and Gibson has been in a slump since returning from an ankle injury; he hadn’t attempted a single post-up shot against the Bucks3 before feeling frisky against Jared Dudley in Game 5, per Synergy Sports, and his midrange jumper isn’t the weapon it was last season. Pau Gasol rolls on, but he’s a minus on defense, and it’s unclear if Chicago can survive with a Gasol–Nikola Mirotic front line — or whether Tom Thibodeau will even consider it unless the Bulls are way behind.
Pairing Mirotic with Gibson or Noah would make for a nice offense-defense balance, but none of the three is fully healthy. Thibodeau has played Mirotic much more at small forward since Gibson came back, and while Mirotic can still contribute there, he doesn’t do nearly as much to open up the floor on offense. Mirotic can hang with any of Milwaukee’s big men on defense, and Thibodeau over the last two games has slowly shifted more of Mirotic’s minutes to lineups in which he plays power forward.
There’s an optimal frontcourt rotation in here somewhere. It just doesn’t feel like Chicago will find it.
Chicago’s Frontcourt and Nonthreatening Bigs
Another way the league is getting smarter: More teams are flat-out ignoring big guys who can’t shoot or post up. Bogut might have been the first big man to really optimize the defensive three-second rule like this — or at least take things to the extreme. If Omer Asik was at the elbow during the Warriors-Pelicans series, Bogut was somewhere else — doubling Anthony Davis in the post, butting his way into a passing lane, and generally paying Asik no attention.
More teams are following suit, in a few ways. Milwaukee is fine switching wing players onto Joakim Noah, confident a hobbled Noah has no shot to punish them. That has neutered a lot of the Noah handoffs that once powered Chicago’s Derrick Rose–less offense:
Noah has also struggled slipping entry passes to Butler in the post, since Noah’s guy just ignores him to double Butler. You can bet the Cavs, facing the possibility of having to play small more without Kevin Love, have taken note.
There are ways for offenses to counter this. The Bulls have turned over some handoff duty to Taj Gibson, who has enough back-to-the-basket game that teams will at least think twice about switching a smaller player onto him. And if no one is guarding your big man, you can always involve him in a pick-and-roll; his guy will be out of the play, in no position to meet a ball handler darting around a pick.
Chicago’s frontcourt is a giant question mark. Noah is hurting, and Gibson has been in a slump since returning from an ankle injury; he hadn’t attempted a single post-up shot against the Bucks3 before feeling frisky against Jared Dudley in Game 5, per Synergy Sports, and his midrange jumper isn’t the weapon it was last season. Pau Gasol rolls on, but he’s a minus on defense, and it’s unclear if Chicago can survive with a Gasol–Nikola Mirotic front line — or whether Tom Thibodeau will even consider it unless the Bulls are way behind.
Pairing Mirotic with Gibson or Noah would make for a nice offense-defense balance, but none of the three is fully healthy. Thibodeau has played Mirotic much more at small forward since Gibson came back, and while Mirotic can still contribute there, he doesn’t do nearly as much to open up the floor on offense. Mirotic can hang with any of Milwaukee’s big men on defense, and Thibodeau over the last two games has slowly shifted more of Mirotic’s minutes to lineups in which he plays power forward.
There’s an optimal frontcourt rotation in here somewhere. It just doesn’t feel like Chicago will find it.
good piece by zach lowe
the bulls were outscored by 9 when kirk hinrich was in the game and he was only in around the same time it took for me to take a piss how in the hell you a minus 9 in two minutes man and it wasnt even a whole 2 minutes it was 1 minute and 32 seconds
nothing good comes from kirk being in the game
nothing
if hinrich getting more minutes to guard mcw is the adjustment thibs is thinking of making smh
nothing good comes from kirk being in the game
nothing
if hinrich getting more minutes to guard mcw is the adjustment thibs is thinking of making smh
big_chris67
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No need to say it but I will tonight is a must win game 3.
per zach lowe
lmao
kirk gotta be the first white dude to routinely get left open on purpose in nba history -- he played the entire 4th quarter and played a total of 20 minutes without even attempting a shot and defensively he stayed losing his man especially in the 4th -- thibs is insane to keep running him out there especially with jo
thats 3 on 5
https://twitter.com/34billy42/status/596876371701473280
this shit cool how they slowed it down
put that on larry
ON LARRY
this shit cool how they slowed it down
put that on larry
ON LARRY
so according to kc johnson the bulls had to impose a CONSECUTIVE MINUTE LIMIT FOR KIRK HINRICH because thibs loves him so much
smh
really though if you have to impose a consecutive minute limit on your coach for a fringe rotation guy maybe dont resign him -- the bulls need to take a play out of the bears playbook and fire garpax along with thibs
smh
really though if you have to impose a consecutive minute limit on your coach for a fringe rotation guy maybe dont resign him -- the bulls need to take a play out of the bears playbook and fire garpax along with thibs
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-thibodeau-nba-20150515-story.html
they were talking about it on the radio on 670 it was in his column
my front runner on who said that is nazr with taj and jo as dark horses
they were talking about it on the radio on 670 it was in his column
There was more to it than just the minutes and restrictions on drills, however. The league source indicated that certain key Bulls players were told by personnel in training camp on more than one occasion that Thibodeau didn’t have their best interest in mind and wasn’t looking out for them long-term.
“It was the ultimate ‘us against him’ act.’’ the source said.
Last week, a Bulls player not only confirmed that, but said Rose was one of those players, and to the guard’s credit “never stopped standing by Thibs.’’
“With so much that was on the line this season? I feel like it was a [bleep] thing for [the front office] to do,’’ the player said. “Last I checked it wasn’t Thibs that gave Lu [Luol Deng] a spinal tap.’’
http://chicago.suntimes.com/basketball/7/71/609136/tom-thibodeau-bulls
“It was the ultimate ‘us against him’ act.’’ the source said.
Last week, a Bulls player not only confirmed that, but said Rose was one of those players, and to the guard’s credit “never stopped standing by Thibs.’’
“With so much that was on the line this season? I feel like it was a [bleep] thing for [the front office] to do,’’ the player said. “Last I checked it wasn’t Thibs that gave Lu [Luol Deng] a spinal tap.’’
http://chicago.suntimes.com/basketball/7/71/609136/tom-thibodeau-bulls
my front runner on who said that is nazr with taj and jo as dark horses
a lot of disturbing shit coming out including players leaving chicago to get away from thibs in the offseason lmao definitely time for a change -- i always did wonder why i always read how deng was at the berto center in the summer and everybody else somewhere else
hopefully we reading some shit like this come next year and if the next head coach has a falling out with management the onus should fall on garpax and there should be consequences or they can just come down to coach the team themselves
