The Logic Of Not Voting ?

[The Lonious Monk]

This is how I see it. If people have a more "my vote counts" mentality than an it doesnt count mentality, then they would be more likely to vote. If thousands to millions who sat around doing nothing actually voted, it could and can change outcomes. If people have the erroneous attitude that their vote doesnt count, then those who do vote have the power. This is quite clear. Its just an overall mentality. Seeing the forest or the trees. Anyway the fact that people who didnt bother to vote dont like the results pretty much says it all. But in the end all we can do is our part. We get one vote. Im just happy I at least did mine. To think I didnt even try would probably be a harder pill to swallow.

I don't have a general "my vote doesn't count" attitude though. But I do understand that there are times when my vote will be meaningful and times when it won't. I take every election on a case by case basis. In this particular case, my vote wouldn't have meant anything and I knew that. So it was more important to me to stand on my principles that none of the candidates were worth voting for than it was to vote just to say I voted.

And problem with the logic that you and others push is that you seem to think that if everyone who didn't vote got out and voted that things would go your way. Maybe that's correct, maybe its the opposite. If all the nonvoters got out there, it's possible Trump could have won more handily than he did. You don't know, so once again, this kind of speculation is pointless. People have their reason for who they vote for and whether or not they vote. Other people should just respect that and leave at that. You don't have to agree, but bashing people because they voted a certain way or didn't vote at all is stupid. The exception to that is if laziness is the primary factor for what they did or didn't do, but even then I'd prefer a person that's to lazy to understand the issues also be too lazy to vote. We don't need more uninformed voters.

I think its an error to look at voting from the viewpoint of predicting the outcome. We just saw that the outcome is not certain and can be changed by people actually voting. Saying "my state is-anyway" is an incorrect way to look at it. Look at all the projected blue states that went red. Because the projections can get thrown out of the window when people actually vote.

Also I used to think kind of like that. My state is red so why bother. However its turning purple. Its actuall probably blue but more people arent voting. That made me realize some things. Thats not even my function. My function is to exercise my individual power and right. Others will. And obviously all the "my state is blue/red" or whatever all goes out the window when election day comes you never know.

But predicting the way your state will go and predicting the outcome of an election is different. Whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, there are states that only go a certain way. Period. I was born and raised in SC. I don't know if that state has ever gone blue. No matter what happens, it's always red.

The idea that these states aren't what they've been for decades isn't realistic. Is there a chance for flipping in some states? Yes, and if you keep up with the campaign and election season, you can easily tell which states those would be. Again, for me I live in MD. There was no chance this state would ever go to Trump, and it didn't. I didn't have to be a psychic to know that. It was obvious to everyone who lived here. Trump didn't win the election because he flipped a bunch of traditionally blue states. He won the election because he won the states that could have gone either way.

 

[AP21]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

 

[Kwan Dai]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

The fact that the process is this convoluted speaks to the sham that it is. All candidates should be in one venue debating each other in front of the American people.

 

[D. Morgan]

Not the first or the last time millions of people would be wrong.

Of course. But if you followed closely, my point in posting those opinions was not to say if they were right or wrong... It was to note what the consensus thought was.

My post had nothing to do with any point you were trying to make.

I just made a comment on what I read from those tweets

 

[AP21]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

The fact that the process is this convoluted speaks to the sham that it is. All candidates should be in one venue debating each other in front of the American people.

EXACTLY

but the media has to assume responsibility for this as well b/c they care about ratings too much

 

[NoCompetition]

This is how I see it. If people have a more "my vote counts" mentality than an it doesnt count mentality, then they would be more likely to vote. If thousands to millions who sat around doing nothing actually voted, it could and can change outcomes. If people have the erroneous attitude that their vote doesnt count, then those who do vote have the power. This is quite clear. Its just an overall mentality. Seeing the forest or the trees. Anyway the fact that people who didnt bother to vote dont like the results pretty much says it all. But in the end all we can do is our part. We get one vote. Im just happy I at least did mine. To think I didnt even try would probably be a harder pill to swallow.

I don't have a general "my vote doesn't count" attitude though. But I do understand that there are times when my vote will be meaningful and times when it won't. I take every election on a case by case basis. In this particular case, my vote wouldn't have meant anything and I knew that. So it was more important to me to stand on my principles that none of the candidates were worth voting for than it was to vote just to say I voted.

And problem with the logic that you and others push is that you seem to think that if everyone who didn't vote got out and voted that things would go your way. Maybe that's correct, maybe its the opposite. If all the nonvoters got out there, it's possible Trump could have won more handily than he did. You don't know, so once again, this kind of speculation is pointless. People have their reason for who they vote for and whether or not they vote. Other people should just respect that and leave at that. You don't have to agree, but bashing people because they voted a certain way or didn't vote at all is stupid. The exception to that is if laziness is the primary factor for what they did or didn't do, but even then I'd prefer a person that's to lazy to understand the issues also be too lazy to vote. We don't need more uninformed voters.

I think its an error to look at voting from the viewpoint of predicting the outcome. We just saw that the outcome is not certain and can be changed by people actually voting. Saying "my state is-anyway" is an incorrect way to look at it. Look at all the projected blue states that went red. Because the projections can get thrown out of the window when people actually vote.

Also I used to think kind of like that. My state is red so why bother. However its turning purple. Its actuall probably blue but more people arent voting. That made me realize some things. Thats not even my function. My function is to exercise my individual power and right. Others will. And obviously all the "my state is blue/red" or whatever all goes out the window when election day comes you never know.

But predicting the way your state will go and predicting the outcome of an election is different. Whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, there are states that only go a certain way. Period. I was born and raised in SC. I don't know if that state has ever gone blue. No matter what happens, it's always red.

The idea that these states aren't what they've been for decades isn't realistic. Is there a chance for flipping in some states? Yes, and if you keep up with the campaign and election season, you can easily tell which states those would be. Again, for me I live in MD. There was no chance this state would ever go to Trump, and it didn't. I didn't have to be a psychic to know that. It was obvious to everyone who lived here. Trump didn't win the election because he flipped a bunch of traditionally blue states. He won the election because he won the states that could have gone either way.

It can be (and is) dangerous for people to think their state is guaranteed to go a particular way. People not voting because they think "its in the bag" can and has come back to bite them. Also states flip from what was "expected" results are not known until its over. Really thats out of my realm. My part is to exercise my power and right. Not to look beyond that and prognosticate.

 

[D. Morgan]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

The fact that the process is this convoluted speaks to the sham that it is. All candidates should be in one venue debating each other in front of the American people.

EXACTLY

but the media has to assume responsibility for this as well b/c they care about ratings too much

Funny thing is I actually think having 3rd party candidates in the national debates would actually boost ratings. I say that because I think more people would tune in to see WTF these new people are talking about and who these people are.

 

[VIBE]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

Maybe Jill would've done decent but Gary would've gotten the Stone Cold beat down

 

[Peace_79]

I think now younger people are going to have to learn the hard way that the civil rights to vote is a powerful thing, especially when your informed.

I don't understand your point. What's powerful about voting only to be given something you didn't vote for or even support? What you and others actually asking people to do is "gamble" not vote.

The problem with people who are pro-voting is they have not been paying any attention to history. While I respect others choices to do whatever they damn well please, I choose to follow history and it's patterns.

The pattern is, things are exactly as they were before Blacks where "GIVEN" the right to vote.

Can't take the rest of your post seriously.

 

[Kwan Dai]

I think now younger people are going to have to learn the hard way that the civil rights to vote is a powerful thing, especially when your informed.

I don't understand your point. What's powerful about voting only to be given something you didn't vote for or even support? What you and others actually asking people to do is "gamble" not vote.

The problem with people who are pro-voting is they have not been paying any attention to history. While I respect others choices to do whatever they damn well please, I choose to follow history and it's patterns.

The pattern is, things are exactly as they were before Blacks where "GIVEN" the right to vote.

Can't take the rest of your post seriously.

You bolded some letters and put a strike through others. I can't take your seriously.

 

[R.D.]

Don't speak for my ancestors

You don't know shit, neither do I

 

[AP21]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

Maybe Jill would've done decent but Gary would've gotten the Stone Cold beat down

and that doesnt matter tbh, but we need to see them debate against the red and blue nominees

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This is how I see it. If people have a more "my vote counts" mentality than an it doesnt count mentality, then they would be more likely to vote. If thousands to millions who sat around doing nothing actually voted, it could and can change outcomes. If people have the erroneous attitude that their vote doesnt count, then those who do vote have the power. This is quite clear. Its just an overall mentality. Seeing the forest or the trees. Anyway the fact that people who didnt bother to vote dont like the results pretty much says it all. But in the end all we can do is our part. We get one vote. Im just happy I at least did mine. To think I didnt even try would probably be a harder pill to swallow.

I don't have a general "my vote doesn't count" attitude though. But I do understand that there are times when my vote will be meaningful and times when it won't. I take every election on a case by case basis. In this particular case, my vote wouldn't have meant anything and I knew that. So it was more important to me to stand on my principles that none of the candidates were worth voting for than it was to vote just to say I voted.

And problem with the logic that you and others push is that you seem to think that if everyone who didn't vote got out and voted that things would go your way. Maybe that's correct, maybe its the opposite. If all the nonvoters got out there, it's possible Trump could have won more handily than he did. You don't know, so once again, this kind of speculation is pointless. People have their reason for who they vote for and whether or not they vote. Other people should just respect that and leave at that. You don't have to agree, but bashing people because they voted a certain way or didn't vote at all is stupid. The exception to that is if laziness is the primary factor for what they did or didn't do, but even then I'd prefer a person that's to lazy to understand the issues also be too lazy to vote. We don't need more uninformed voters.

I think its an error to look at voting from the viewpoint of predicting the outcome. We just saw that the outcome is not certain and can be changed by people actually voting. Saying "my state is-anyway" is an incorrect way to look at it. Look at all the projected blue states that went red. Because the projections can get thrown out of the window when people actually vote.

Also I used to think kind of like that. My state is red so why bother. However its turning purple. Its actuall probably blue but more people arent voting. That made me realize some things. Thats not even my function. My function is to exercise my individual power and right. Others will. And obviously all the "my state is blue/red" or whatever all goes out the window when election day comes you never know.

But predicting the way your state will go and predicting the outcome of an election is different. Whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, there are states that only go a certain way. Period. I was born and raised in SC. I don't know if that state has ever gone blue. No matter what happens, it's always red.

The idea that these states aren't what they've been for decades isn't realistic. Is there a chance for flipping in some states? Yes, and if you keep up with the campaign and election season, you can easily tell which states those would be. Again, for me I live in MD. There was no chance this state would ever go to Trump, and it didn't. I didn't have to be a psychic to know that. It was obvious to everyone who lived here. Trump didn't win the election because he flipped a bunch of traditionally blue states. He won the election because he won the states that could have gone either way.

It can be (and is) dangerous for people to think their state is guaranteed to go a particular way. People not voting because they think "its in the bag" can and has come back to bite them. Also states flip from what was "expected" results are not known until its over. Really thats out of my realm. My part is to exercise my power and right. Not to look beyond that and prognosticate.

I'm not knocking you for thinking the way you want to think. If you are going to vote no matter what, and that's important to you, I applaud you. If those are your principles and you want to stick to them, that's great. I have my principles too, and I'm going to stick to them. You can believe I'm wrong and that's fine too. The problem I have is people coming in here acting like my actions or the actions of people like me somehow led to this mess. They didn't. Whether you want to act like knowing which way a state will go is magic or not, the fact of the matter is I knew my state would go a certain way and it went that way overwhelmingly. My lack of a vote did not contribute anything at all to Trump's victory. The people who did not vote along the same mindset of me also did not contribute anything to Trump's victory. And anyone who comes in here and says otherwise either does not know how the system works, doesn't care how the system works, or just believes their opinion matters more than anyone else's. Either, their input is meaningless as far as I'm concerned.

 

[rapmusic]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

The fact that the process is this convoluted speaks to the sham that it is. All candidates should be in one venue debating each other in front of the American people.

EXACTLY

but the media has to assume responsibility for this as well b/c they care about ratings too much

People really need to quit blaming the media. These motherfuckers wanted a white man in that seat and they got it. THe media always got to be the scapegoat for everything man. People were blaming the media when they thought Trump would lose, and now media is getting blame for him winning. You can't have it both ways. Man this guy did everything wrong but still won. People are talking about Clinton pandering... yeah it was fucking ridiculous, but we aren't talking about the pandering that Trump did. These redneck ass fools actually think that once Trump takes over, that all this "PC crap is over." Same people think Trump is going to somehow silence Black Lives Matter. If that ain't pandering I don't know what is. Them inbreds voted, a lot of us didn't. I'm not understanding people who either voted third party or write in being mad at Trump winning either. I literally have friends that trashed both Clinton and Trump before the votes came in, but are now on some "I'm afraid for the future" shit now. I'M like stfu.

 

[NoCompetition]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

The fact that the process is this convoluted speaks to the sham that it is. All candidates should be in one venue debating each other in front of the American people.

EXACTLY

but the media has to assume responsibility for this as well b/c they care about ratings too much

People really need to quit blaming the media. These motherfuckers wanted a white man in that seat and they got it. THe media always got to be the scapegoat for everything man. People were blaming the media when they thought Trump would lose, and now media is getting blame for him winning. You can't have it both ways. Man this guy did everything wrong but still won. People are talking about Clinton pandering... yeah it was fucking ridiculous, but we aren't talking about the pandering that Trump did. These redneck ass fools actually think that once Trump takes over, that all this "PC crap is over." Same people think Trump is going to somehow silence Black Lives Matter. If that ain't pandering I don't know what is. Them inbreds voted, a lot of us didn't. I'm not understanding people who either voted third party or write in being mad at Trump winning either. I literally have friends that trashed both Clinton and Trump before the votes came in, but are now on some "I'm afraid for the future" shit now. I'M like stfu.

Exactly. People who are mad at the outcome, but didnt bother to vote. That says they care, and it effects them, but they chose to have no say. I think its worse for them. Its a whole different feeling knowing you did your part and exercised your right.

 

[T. Sanford]

I remember my father saying about two months ago that Hillary wouldn't win because this country won't allow a woman running it

 

[rapmusic]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

The fact that the process is this convoluted speaks to the sham that it is. All candidates should be in one venue debating each other in front of the American people.

EXACTLY

but the media has to assume responsibility for this as well b/c they care about ratings too much

People really need to quit blaming the media. These motherfuckers wanted a white man in that seat and they got it. THe media always got to be the scapegoat for everything man. People were blaming the media when they thought Trump would lose, and now media is getting blame for him winning. You can't have it both ways. Man this guy did everything wrong but still won. People are talking about Clinton pandering... yeah it was fucking ridiculous, but we aren't talking about the pandering that Trump did. These redneck ass fools actually think that once Trump takes over, that all this "PC crap is over." Same people think Trump is going to somehow silence Black Lives Matter. If that ain't pandering I don't know what is. Them inbreds voted, a lot of us didn't. I'm not understanding people who either voted third party or write in being mad at Trump winning either. I literally have friends that trashed both Clinton and Trump before the votes came in, but are now on some "I'm afraid for the future" shit now. I'M like stfu.

Exactly. People who are mad at the outcome, but didnt bother to vote. That says they care, and it effects them, but they chose to have no say. I think its worse for them. Its a whole different feeling knowing you did your part and exercised your right.

Yeah man, I've said that it's your right if you don't vote. I don't believe in that but it is what it is. And I don't care about the "they're both evil" people either. I'm just saying how are you going to say they're both evil so it doesn't matter or you're not voting, then turn around and act like the world is going to end now that Trump won? You can't have it both ways. And now Donald Trump is president and the republicans are in control of everything. Supreme Court justices are going to be picked under this guy... you know the same people who will sit in that chair for 30 plus years and will be in charge of the shit that we are fighting for. Oh well, I'm just going to sit back and see what happens.

 

[Kwan Dai]

voting for 3rd parties /= not voting

if they get 5% of the popular vote, they qualify for public campaign funding assistance which would aid in getting them into the larger platforms

or another way to put it

Wouldnt you want someone else on the stage to challenge both Hilary and Donald on their bullshit? Unless you are just blindly voting, i cant imagine that having more legit choices is a bad thing.

I would've LOVED to see Johnson AND Stein on stage, debating Hilary and Trump

The fact that the process is this convoluted speaks to the sham that it is. All candidates should be in one venue debating each other in front of the American people.

EXACTLY

but the media has to assume responsibility for this as well b/c they care about ratings too much

People really need to quit blaming the media. These motherfuckers wanted a white man in that seat and they got it. THe media always got to be the scapegoat for everything man. People were blaming the media when they thought Trump would lose, and now media is getting blame for him winning. You can't have it both ways. Man this guy did everything wrong but still won. People are talking about Clinton pandering... yeah it was fucking ridiculous, but we aren't talking about the pandering that Trump did. These redneck ass fools actually think that once Trump takes over, that all this "PC crap is over." Same people think Trump is going to somehow silence Black Lives Matter. If that ain't pandering I don't know what is. Them inbreds voted, a lot of us didn't. I'm not understanding people who either voted third party or write in being mad at Trump winning either. I literally have friends that trashed both Clinton and Trump before the votes came in, but are now on some "I'm afraid for the future" shit now. I'M like stfu.

Exactly. People who are mad at the outcome, but didnt bother to vote. That says they care, and it effects them, but they chose to have no say. I think its worse for them. Its a whole different feeling knowing you did your part and exercised your right.

Most folks who didn't vote aren't bitching about the outcome it's those who did who are screaming bloody murder. This idea that because, you didn't vote nullifies your opinion is stupid nigga logic in every sense of the phrase. I didn't vote in the election in South Africa but I certainly can have opinion on the outcome and who was voting in. Why? Because, I am informed and stay abreast of current events and world happenings. You and people like you have the carry the brunt that you continue to support White Supremacy and it's faux voting sham.

 

[blackamerica]

The logic in not voting? Because both candidates are full of shit. We voted Obama in only to be told "blue lives don't matter" and "what about black on black crime". Shit don't change regardless

 

[7figz]

The logic in not voting? Because both candidates are full of shit. We voted Obama in only to be told "blue lives don't matter" and "what about black on black crime". Shit don't change regardless

Like the original post said...

...Specifically in reference to elections like the present, where you might not be feeling none of the candidates, but you know that one is worse than the others.



What's wrong with voting for the lesser evil ? ....