The Logic Of Not Voting ?

[SneakDZA]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

That's impossible since there aren't 538 EC votes and the EC is what determines a the winner of an election. And if you understand about the EC, then you should know why what you're saying is stupid. And I didn't vote out of cynicism. If you can't understand that, that's fine. If you don't want to read my posts about it, that's fine too. But one thing you might want to read is the thread title. And if you read that then you should probably understand why it was stupid of you to come in here if you didn't want to read posts about why some people didn't vote.

Please do some reading about how the electoral college works. Also...

After an intense recount process and the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore, Governor George W. Bush officially won Florida's electoral votes, by a margin of only 537 votes out of almost 6 million cast, and as a result, the entire presidential election. The process was extremely divisive, and led to calls for electoral reform in Florida.

 

[xxCivicxx]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

Once again, that is irrelevant and it shows that you still don't understand the system

Gore won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote

How could more popular votes have changed this? Im genuinely curious

 

[xxCivicxx]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

Well said. You have to vote to get your choice. Apathy gets the results we have seen. All you can do is your part. But its obvious where doing nothing gets you. From the Presidency to Congress and senate. Others exercising their power and you not.

You still haven't answered what voting has gotten you

You already admitted that you're afraid of losing your comfortable lifestyle and that this fear is what drove you to vote for someone who's history you have not researched

Why are you trying to mislead people who are not in the same position as you are?

 

[xxCivicxx]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

That's impossible since there aren't 538 EC votes and the EC is what determines a the winner of an election. And if you understand about the EC, then you should know why what you're saying is stupid. And I didn't vote out of cynicism. If you can't understand that, that's fine. If you don't want to read my posts about it, that's fine too. But one thing you might want to read is the thread title. And if you read that then you should probably understand why it was stupid of you to come in here if you didn't want to read posts about why some people didn't vote.

Please do some reading about how the electoral college works. Also...

After an intense recount process and the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore, Governor George W. Bush officially won Florida's electoral votes, by a margin of only 537 votes out of almost 6 million cast, and as a result, the entire presidential election. The process was extremely divisive, and led to calls for electoral reform in Florida.

Once again, gore won the popular vote and lost the election, so what are you talking about?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Please do some reading about how the electoral college works. Also...

After an intense recount process and the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore, Governor George W. Bush officially won Florida's electoral votes, by a margin of only 537 votes out of almost 6 million cast, and as a result, the entire presidential election. The process was extremely divisive, and led to calls for electoral reform in Florida.

lol I'm familiar with the way the process works. I was actually in FL for that election and I voted for Gore. I live in MD now and no such shenanigans was at play in my state this year. So please explain how your point pertains to me and my reasons for not voting.

 

[SneakDZA]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

That's impossible since there aren't 538 EC votes and the EC is what determines a the winner of an election. And if you understand about the EC, then you should know why what you're saying is stupid. And I didn't vote out of cynicism. If you can't understand that, that's fine. If you don't want to read my posts about it, that's fine too. But one thing you might want to read is the thread title. And if you read that then you should probably understand why it was stupid of you to come in here if you didn't want to read posts about why some people didn't vote.

Please do some reading about how the electoral college works. Also...

After an intense recount process and the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore, Governor George W. Bush officially won Florida's electoral votes, by a margin of only 537 votes out of almost 6 million cast, and as a result, the entire presidential election. The process was extremely divisive, and led to calls for electoral reform in Florida.

Once again, gore won the popular vote and lost the election, so what are you talking about?

^^^

him stupid

 

[mryounggun]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

One of us should have mentioned this before and saved us both some time. The bolded is correct, I do feel like that. And if you feel differently, than there isn't anything else to talk about on this topic.

Salute.

What benefits have black people gotten by voting as a monolith for the past 100 years?

I'm genuinely curious

Did I say at any point black people have or should vote as a monolith?

 

[VIBE]

what are some good political books? be it political knowledge, insider shit, whatever else

 

[xxCivicxx]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

One of us should have mentioned this before and saved us both some time. The bolded is correct, I do feel like that. And if you feel differently, than there isn't anything else to talk about on this topic.

Salute.

What benefits have black people gotten by voting as a monolith for the past 100 years?

I'm genuinely curious

Did I say at any point black people have or should vote as a monolith?

No, I'm saying it

Black people have historically voted as a monolith, I'm asking you what benefits have come from black people "just voting"(as a monolith) as opposed to looking at the facts and then CHOOSING whether to vote or not?

 

[xxCivicxx]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

That's impossible since there aren't 538 EC votes and the EC is what determines a the winner of an election. And if you understand about the EC, then you should know why what you're saying is stupid. And I didn't vote out of cynicism. If you can't understand that, that's fine. If you don't want to read my posts about it, that's fine too. But one thing you might want to read is the thread title. And if you read that then you should probably understand why it was stupid of you to come in here if you didn't want to read posts about why some people didn't vote.

Please do some reading about how the electoral college works. Also...

After an intense recount process and the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore, Governor George W. Bush officially won Florida's electoral votes, by a margin of only 537 votes out of almost 6 million cast, and as a result, the entire presidential election. The process was extremely divisive, and led to calls for electoral reform in Florida.

Once again, gore won the popular vote and lost the election, so what are you talking about?

^^^

him stupid

Ok cool, explain your point to me like I'm an idiot

 

[SneakDZA]

not my job. google "how does the electoral college work"

 

[xxCivicxx]

not my job. google "how does the electoral college work"

Oh I know how it works, better than you. Please believe that

YOU don't know how it works, yet you still feel like you can post as if you're an authority when you clearly are not

You copy/pasted that paragraph about the EC, which means you cannot explain the EC in your own words, which means that you do not understand how it works. It's really that simple

It's also not your job to make ignorant statements that you cannot support fyi. So next time I'll just assume you don't know what you're talking about and I'll ignore your post

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

It's a rebellious thing, a form of protest, people don't want to be followers or sheep... but not voting solves nothing.

Get your point, but its short sighted since we haven't seen the outcome of the majority of people not voting. Not even close...

 

[SneakDZA]

not my job. google "how does the electoral college work"

Oh I know how it works, better than you. Please believe that

YOU don't know how it works, yet you still feel like you can post as if you're an authority when you clearly are not

You copy/pasted that paragraph about the EC, which means you cannot explain the EC in your own words, which means that you do not understand how it works. It's really that simple

It's also not your job to make ignorant statements that you cannot support fyi. So next time I'll just assume you don't know what you're talking about and I'll ignore your post

No i pasted a paragraph about the number of individual votes that determined the outcome of the 2000 election you dolt.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

not my job. google "how does the electoral college work"

Oh I know how it works, better than you. Please believe that

YOU don't know how it works, yet you still feel like you can post as if you're an authority when you clearly are not

You copy/pasted that paragraph about the EC, which means you cannot explain the EC in your own words, which means that you do not understand how it works. It's really that simple

It's also not your job to make ignorant statements that you cannot support fyi. So next time I'll just assume you don't know what you're talking about and I'll ignore your post

No i pasted a paragraph about the number of individual votes that determined the outcome of the 2000 election you dolt.

And you still don't seem to understand the information you're posting. What you pasted doesn't support the broad statements you're making. Florida was decided by ~500 votes. You're acting like that some kind of evidence that everyone who didn't vote was responsible for Bush being elected because that margin was so slim. If you truly understood how the EC works, then you'd understand how stupid it is to hold nonvoters in other states responsible for what happened in FL.

 

[NoCompetition]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

Well said. You have to vote to get your choice. Apathy gets the results we have seen. All you can do is your part. But its obvious where doing nothing gets you. From the Presidency to Congress and senate. Others exercising their power and you not.

It wasn't apathy. I've already explained why I didn't vote, and not caring had nothing to do with it. Believe what ya'll want though. If blaming me and others who chose not to vote for Trump's presidency will make you feel better about yourselves and get you through the next four years, go for it.

This is how I see it. If people have a more "my vote counts" mentality than an it doesnt count mentality, then they would be more likely to vote. If thousands to millions who sat around doing nothing actually voted, it could and can change outcomes. If people have the erroneous attitude that their vote doesnt count, then those who do vote have the power. This is quite clear. Its just an overall mentality. Seeing the forest or the trees. Anyway the fact that people who didnt bother to vote dont like the results pretty much says it all. But in the end all we can do is our part. We get one vote. Im just happy I at least did mine. To think I didnt even try would probably be a harder pill to swallow.

 

[NoCompetition]

People care about the outcomes, and many realize it effects them, but they dont participate in the outcome? There is no way to make that make sense. Outside of the ones who couldnt vote or really and truly didnt care (very small percentage I'd guess).

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This is how I see it. If people have a more "my vote counts" mentality than an it doesnt count mentality, then they would be more likely to vote. If thousands to millions who sat around doing nothing actually voted, it could and can change outcomes. If people have the erroneous attitude that their vote doesnt count, then those who do vote have the power. This is quite clear. Its just an overall mentality. Seeing the forest or the trees. Anyway the fact that people who didnt bother to vote dont like the results pretty much says it all. But in the end all we can do is our part. We get one vote. Im just happy I at least did mine. To think I didnt even try would probably be a harder pill to swallow.

I don't have a general "my vote doesn't count" attitude though. But I do understand that there are times when my vote will be meaningful and times when it won't. I take every election on a case by case basis. In this particular case, my vote wouldn't have meant anything and I knew that. So it was more important to me to stand on my principles that none of the candidates were worth voting for than it was to vote just to say I voted.

And problem with the logic that you and others push is that you seem to think that if everyone who didn't vote got out and voted that things would go your way. Maybe that's correct, maybe its the opposite. If all the nonvoters got out there, it's possible Trump could have won more handily than he did. You don't know, so once again, this kind of speculation is pointless. People have their reason for who they vote for and whether or not they vote. Other people should just respect that and leave at that. You don't have to agree, but bashing people because they voted a certain way or didn't vote at all is stupid. The exception to that is if laziness is the primary factor for what they did or didn't do, but even then I'd prefer a person that's to lazy to understand the issues also be too lazy to vote. We don't need more uninformed voters.

 

[NoCompetition]

This is how I see it. If people have a more "my vote counts" mentality than an it doesnt count mentality, then they would be more likely to vote. If thousands to millions who sat around doing nothing actually voted, it could and can change outcomes. If people have the erroneous attitude that their vote doesnt count, then those who do vote have the power. This is quite clear. Its just an overall mentality. Seeing the forest or the trees. Anyway the fact that people who didnt bother to vote dont like the results pretty much says it all. But in the end all we can do is our part. We get one vote. Im just happy I at least did mine. To think I didnt even try would probably be a harder pill to swallow.

I don't have a general "my vote doesn't count" attitude though. But I do understand that there are times when my vote will be meaningful and times when it won't. I take every election on a case by case basis. In this particular case, my vote wouldn't have meant anything and I knew that. So it was more important to me to stand on my principles that none of the candidates were worth voting for than it was to vote just to say I voted.

And problem with the logic that you and others push is that you seem to think that if everyone who didn't vote got out and voted that things would go your way. Maybe that's correct, maybe its the opposite. If all the nonvoters got out there, it's possible Trump could have won more handily than he did. You don't know, so once again, this kind of speculation is pointless. People have their reason for who they vote for and whether or not they vote. Other people should just respect that and leave at that. You don't have to agree, but bashing people because they voted a certain way or didn't vote at all is stupid. The exception to that is if laziness is the primary factor for what they did or didn't do, but even then I'd prefer a person that's to lazy to understand the issues also be too lazy to vote. We don't need more uninformed voters.

I think its an error to look at voting from the viewpoint of predicting the outcome. We just saw that the outcome is not certain and can be changed by people actually voting. Saying "my state is-anyway" is an incorrect way to look at it. Look at all the projected blue states that went red. Because the projections can get thrown out of the window when people actually vote.

Also I used to think kind of like that. My state is red so why bother. However its turning purple. Its actuall probably blue but more people arent voting. That made me realize some things. Thats not even my function. My function is to exercise my individual power and right. Others will. And obviously all the "my state is blue/red" or whatever all goes out the window when election day comes you never know.

 

[Kwan Dai]

I think now younger people are going to have to learn the hard way that the civil rights to vote is a powerful thing, especially when your informed.

I don't understand your point. What's powerful about voting only to be given something you didn't vote for or even support? What you and others actually asking people to do is "gamble" not vote.

The problem with people who are pro-voting is they have not been paying any attention to history. While I respect others choices to do whatever they damn well please, I choose to follow history and it's patterns. The pattern is, things are exactly as they were before Blacks where "GIVEN" the right to vote. Voting changes nothing. Activism, Sacrifice and in many cases death is what fuels meaningful long lasting change.

Lastly I love my ancestors and what they have done for us a people and nation. With that said, there are many things our forefathers fought for that we don't give a fuck about but aren't having meaningful discussions and rallies for those things to make sure we carry on those legacies. But for some reason voting seems to be thrown in our collective faces as something we should put our lives on the line for despite it's uselessness.