The Logic Of Not Voting ?

[xxCivicxx]

People are going to do what they wany to. I'd rather the uneducated folks not vote but sadly they seem to do most of the voting.

Last night proved the emboldened point to the fullest.

Do you think you're educated?

 

[xxCivicxx]

I don't understand why so many people have such animosity against people who don't vote. I mean it's one thing if people don't vote out of laziness, but if people have reasons or principles for why they don't vote, they are still exercising a right. A right isn't only a right when you choose to use it. A right is also a right when you choose not to use it.

I didn't vote because 1) I'm not in a swing state or a state in jeopardy, so my vote literally wouldn't have mattered. Everybody can't think that way of course. It would be problematic, but everybody doesn't think that way, so I can. 2) More importantly, I didn't vote because I didn't trust either of the candidates. Trump is bad in just about every way, but what is good about Hillary? All these people riding and dying for her can't even give you a good answer for that question. All they can do is say "She's not as bad as Trump." That doesn't instill confidence in her and I don't even know if it's true.

If I lived in a swing state or one in jeopardy, I would have bit the bullet and voted for Hillary because I think she is the lesser evil. But I don't so I chose to abstain from supporting either of those people.

1. It doesn't only become problematic when EVERYBODY thinks like that. It becomes problematic when the number of people in a state who think like that is enough to determine the winner in that state, which was the case in a lot of states.

2. You didn't like 'either' of the candidates? There were more than 2 candidates and a slot to write in whoever you felt would make the best President.

I'm not one of these people who feel animosity towards non-voters. But let's keep it a buck.

#1 is called a swing state, which he spoke on, so your #1 is redundant

 

[Broddie]

People are going to do what they wany to. I'd rather the uneducated folks not vote but sadly they seem to do most of the voting.

Last night proved the emboldened point to the fullest.

Do you think you're educated?

I was educated enough with my voting decisions yesterday to make sound ones that actually made a difference to my state and community.

 

[mryounggun]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

Oh please. Keep it 100.
https://twitter.com/vmald63/status/796210884599304192
https://twitter.com/A_m_a_r_ii/status/796238192324198400
https://twitter.com/CourtneyJam/status/796229183793790976
https://twitter.com/di__yonce/status/796222672669655040
https://twitter.com/WorldShoe6/status/796218943333605376
https://twitter.com/olivertinoco_/status/796184568382373888
https://twitter.com/fresh_lizard/status/795999794795839489

Millions of people saying the same shit...

So we're in here talking about not voting or voting for a 3rd party, etc, and you decided to join the conversation by basically saying, 'But look, people on Twitter are saying it!!!'.

Seems legit.

 

[mryounggun]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

 

[coop9889]

So we're in here talking about not voting or voting for a 3rd party, etc, and you decided to join the conversation by basically saying, 'But look, people on Twitter are saying it!!!'.

Seems legit.

"I struggle with how those two things could be the same." is what you said.

I just came in to say you're the only person who is struggling with that. There's no way in hell you can't put the 2 and 2 together, of someone saying voting 3rd party/write in is equivalent to not voting (in terms of IMPACT).

I just threw in some random tweets to substantiate what I was saying. Would you rather i pull up youtube videos. Or quote niggas from this forum. Or record the people from my watch party? It's the overwhelming consensus among most people I've seen/heard/talked to. Who cares from which medium I pull the opinions from?

 

[D. Morgan]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

Oh please. Keep it 100.
https://twitter.com/vmald63/status/796210884599304192
https://twitter.com/A_m_a_r_ii/status/796238192324198400
https://twitter.com/CourtneyJam/status/796229183793790976
https://twitter.com/di__yonce/status/796222672669655040
https://twitter.com/WorldShoe6/status/796218943333605376
https://twitter.com/olivertinoco_/status/796184568382373888
https://twitter.com/fresh_lizard/status/795999794795839489

Millions of people saying the same shit...

Not the first or the last time millions of people would be wrong.

 

[mryounggun]

So we're in here talking about not voting or voting for a 3rd party, etc, and you decided to join the conversation by basically saying, 'But look, people on Twitter are saying it!!!'.

Seems legit.

"I struggle with how those two things could be the same." is what you said.

I just came in to say you're the only person who is struggling with that. There's no way in hell you can't put the 2 and 2 together, of someone saying voting 3rd party/write in is equivalent to not voting (in terms of IMPACT).

I just threw in some random tweets to substantiate what I was saying. Would you rather i pull up youtube videos. Or quote niggas from this forum. Or record the people from my watch party? It's the overwhelming consensus among most people I've seen/heard/talked to. Who cares from which medium I pull the opinions from?

If you have to qualify the statement like you just did...that means you know that the original statement was incorrect. Additionally, nothing you posted substantiates anything. If I give my opinion, it's not substantiated just because I can find some people who agree with it.

 

[coop9889]

Not the first or the last time millions of people would be wrong.

Of course. But if you followed closely, my point in posting those opinions was not to say if they were right or wrong... It was to note what the consensus thought was.

 

[coop9889]

So we're in here talking about not voting or voting for a 3rd party, etc, and you decided to join the conversation by basically saying, 'But look, people on Twitter are saying it!!!'.

Seems legit.

"I struggle with how those two things could be the same." is what you said.

I just came in to say you're the only person who is struggling with that. There's no way in hell you can't put the 2 and 2 together, of someone saying voting 3rd party/write in is equivalent to not voting (in terms of IMPACT).

I just threw in some random tweets to substantiate what I was saying. Would you rather i pull up youtube videos. Or quote niggas from this forum. Or record the people from my watch party? It's the overwhelming consensus among most people I've seen/heard/talked to. Who cares from which medium I pull the opinions from?

If you have to qualify the statement like you just did...that means you know that the original statement was incorrect. Additionally, nothing you posted substantiates anything. If I give my opinion, it's not substantiated just because I can find some people who agree with it.

LMAO what? Incorrect.

You are operating under the assumption that I either agree or disagree with the opinions of those I posted.

If my stance is "most people think that voting third party = not voting" then the only way to prove said statement, is with numbers and examples.

Once again, I am not saying they are right or wrong, I am saying that is what MOST PEOPLE THINK. To dispute you originally saying "not sure how you come to that conclusion" to the other dude. I just think it's funny because MOST people came to that conclusion.

 

[mryounggun]

So we're in here talking about not voting or voting for a 3rd party, etc, and you decided to join the conversation by basically saying, 'But look, people on Twitter are saying it!!!'.

Seems legit.

"I struggle with how those two things could be the same." is what you said.

I just came in to say you're the only person who is struggling with that. There's no way in hell you can't put the 2 and 2 together, of someone saying voting 3rd party/write in is equivalent to not voting (in terms of IMPACT).

I just threw in some random tweets to substantiate what I was saying. Would you rather i pull up youtube videos. Or quote niggas from this forum. Or record the people from my watch party? It's the overwhelming consensus among most people I've seen/heard/talked to. Who cares from which medium I pull the opinions from?

If you have to qualify the statement like you just did...that means you know that the original statement was incorrect. Additionally, nothing you posted substantiates anything. If I give my opinion, it's not substantiated just because I can find some people who agree with it.

LMAO what? Incorrect.

You are operating under the assumption that I either agree or disagree with the opinions of those I posted.

If my stance is "most people think that voting third party = not voting" then the only way to prove said statement, is with numbers and examples.

Once again, I am not saying they are right or wrong, I am saying that is what MOST PEOPLE THINK. To dispute you originally saying "not sure how you come to that conclusion" to the other dude. I just think it's funny because MOST people came to that conclusion.

Ok, cool. You're not saying that the point is correct or incorrect. Just that lots of other people agree with that point. Cool, I can buy that. Lot's go other people DO agree. That is still pretty meaningless, but I get what you mean. I apologize.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

 

[mryounggun]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

One of us should have mentioned this before and saved us both some time. The bolded is correct, I do feel like that. And if you feel differently, than there isn't anything else to talk about on this topic.

Salute.

 

[JokerzWyld]

For the 2nd time in a row the republican president-elect lost the popular vote and won the election.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

One of us should have mentioned this before and saved us both some time. The bolded is correct, I do feel like that. And if you feel differently, than there isn't anything else to talk about on this topic.

Salute.

You right. It's all good though. Anything that helps the work day move by faster is cool with me.

 

[SneakDZA]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

That's impossible since there aren't 538 EC votes and the EC is what determines a the winner of an election. And if you understand about the EC, then you should know why what you're saying is stupid. And I didn't vote out of cynicism. If you can't understand that, that's fine. If you don't want to read my posts about it, that's fine too. But one thing you might want to read is the thread title. And if you read that then you should probably understand why it was stupid of you to come in here if you didn't want to read posts about why some people didn't vote.

 

[NoCompetition]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

Well said. You have to vote to get your choice. Apathy gets the results we have seen. All you can do is your part. But its obvious where doing nothing gets you. From the Presidency to Congress and senate. Others exercising their power and you not.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

You do realize that Bush Jr won his first election by 538 votes and proceeded to change the course of history for the worse for most non billionaires in basically the whole world, right?

But go ahead and be Mr. too cynical to vote. I just wish people lilke you would take the same approach to writing posts about it.

Well said. You have to vote to get your choice. Apathy gets the results we have seen. All you can do is your part. But its obvious where doing nothing gets you. From the Presidency to Congress and senate. Others exercising their power and you not.

It wasn't apathy. I've already explained why I didn't vote, and not caring had nothing to do with it. Believe what ya'll want though. If blaming me and others who chose not to vote for Trump's presidency will make you feel better about yourselves and get you through the next four years, go for it.

 

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1. The point is that, while Maryland is still strongly blue, you really have no way at all of knowing who shares your 'Other people got this shit! I can not vote and we'll still come out blue!'. Enough blues feel like that and red wins. It works out for you guys THIS time. But be wary.

2. Everything before 'As for the two other candidates...' is irrelevant because my point is that your post seemed to indicate that you only had the choice to vote for 2 candidates and that is false. As for the other two not being qualified - per my other point - write in who you DO feel is qualified. As for you feeling that that is no different than not voting, not sure how you could come to that conclusion. VOTING for a candidate by writing him/her in is the exact opposite of NOT VOTING. I struggle with how those two things could be the same.

1) I do have a way because I actually research and read, not just about what's going on, but also with history. There was 0 chance MD was going to Trump, and it didn't. You can throw your hypotheticals out there all you want. I live in the real world not a hypothetical one. I made my decision based on what the real world data told me and that data was correct.

2) No I didn't vote because there was no one I wanted to vote for. Period. These discussions are only about two candidates so that's why emphasized them, but make no mistake, the other two were not good candidates either. And again, you keep proposing this "write-in" solution as some kind of viable option. You say you don't see how those could be the same. You tell me what is the difference between the end effect of me writing in a name nobody else will vote for and me not voting at all?

The difference is that in one scenario...you've voted. And in the other...you haven't. It's not about if the candidate you write in wins. It's about the democratic process of voting. You seem to think I'm making this some catalytic thing like the world is gonna start turning in reverse if you choose to not vote vs. writing someone in. I'm really struggling because in my mind, this really couldn't be simpler. Why am I having to explain how voting - for a candidate on the ballot or writing someone in - vs. NOT voting, are not the same thing.

But it's pretty clear that you and I aren't gonna see eye to eye on this one.

No we aren't going to see eye to eye. You seem to think voting in itself is something of significance. It's not, and that's demonstrable fact. It doesn't serve me at all to walk around with a sticker saying "I Voted." If I feel like my vote will matter even to the tiniest degree I'll vote. If I feel like my vote doesn't matter and voting would be a waste of my time, then I'll pass. My time may not mean anything to you, but it means a lot to me, certainly more than that sticker.

One of us should have mentioned this before and saved us both some time. The bolded is correct, I do feel like that. And if you feel differently, than there isn't anything else to talk about on this topic.

Salute.

What benefits have black people gotten by voting as a monolith for the past 100 years?

I'm genuinely curious