The Last Days Of The Roc Pt 10:Dame Dash Discovers Jay-Z Is Making Moves W/ Def Jam

[Maalik]

I understand that u may have people who are "out there" but listen my nigga HE IS NOT SAYING JAY OWES HIM JAY CALLED THAT MAN AND TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD HIM WHEN HE CAME HOME ... he didnt even expect a call from jay ... is that clear enough for u ...

even though things didnt happen the jay told him he still tips his hat to the man MUSICALLY ... he just questions his character ... HE IS GOOD HE HAS ASSETS AND INVESTMENTS ... he made moves 15years before jay touched a million my dude ...

read the interview and give the man some type of due quit trying to automatically shit on niggas ... he did a lengthy bid came home made moves and is right back on his way to touching the millions he touched in the streets in a legit fashion ...

Nigga i understand your point. I understand what you're saying. You talkin' about them bitter dudes who since they can't cash in no more all of a sudden they wanna say some shit right? But it's the same with EVERY RAPPER. But if you look at the FACTS of EVERYTHING that's been said and claimed shit really doesn't add up with Jay-Z and alot of other rappers.

But like i said i said the same shit about 2 of my favorite rappers of all time so dont think im saying this cuz i hate Jay-Z or some shit. I believe this is the case wiht 98% of these rappers. The problem is that niggas wanna call rappers who they dont like fake, but cant be men enough (even though they not teenagers anymore) to say taht they fav rapper prolly aint tough/hard/gangsta/drug dealer either.

You'd be suprised to find out that DJ Quik got more rep than most of your fav rappers.

Jay probably wasn't out there like that...almost no rapper is. Most shit he probably did was flip a lil work out of state. An ounce, half a kilo if he lucky type nigga. I never thought he was a king pin.

And if he did tell Calvin he'd look out, then that's wrong. My only guess, is maybe somebody got in his ear & told him it was a bad look.

I mean think about it from Hov point of view. Imagine if it was you.

1995: You graduate from High School. You and your 4 niggas out there selling dope. Yall getting a lil bit of money. One of yall get murked, the other nigga get killed too. The other 2 get caught with LONG ASS BIDS. You make it out unscathed.

2004: You managed to launch a company. You've turned it into a Multi-million dollar firm. You got rich by basically pumpin poison on the airwaves.....because of this, eventhough you're rich, you got a bad perception in the media. (i.e. Jay aint never running for Office)

2011: You just starting to move away from that "street image". You can go kick it with Oprah. President Obama got your number. You're rubbing shoulders with America's elite. A CEO of a successful company. Your wife is one of the most successful music acts in the last 20 years. You got philanthropic organizations all across the world. Your name is synonymous with success in the urban community. You not "just" a gangsta no more.

Both yall niggas get out of Jail. They still "rough" around the edges. Neither of them niggas gonna want a background position. They gonna want somethin with clout (i.e. getting money). No Calvin from Paid in Full type shit.


Would you really want to go back to having that kind of negativity around you again?

Think about it from Hov's perspective bruh...

 

[usmarin3]

LMAO okay you win dawg. Everybody in the IC know there's nothin you can say about Jay-Z with you. Okay you win Jay-Z was a big willie, Irv Gotti was a known street nigga etc etc. Why waste our times on this petty shit when you'll ride with Jay regardless, even when facts are in your face.

See, here we go with this hyperbole and switching the topic to me, when i hit yall niggas with logic, how fucking predictable. Who said Irv was a known street nigga, you see what i'm talking about with hyperbole. smh You niggas are so predictable, it's like talking to females or kids, you just can't look at shit logically, you must always go extreme.

 

[Maalik]

You would think niggas would learn from Irv Gotti and Master P's situation, these feds are looking for niggas to slip up. It's easy to catch a conspiracy and laundering charge mixing legit business practices with street niggas.

Word up...its not even that I wanna defend Hov.

I just know, if that was me, I wouldn't have alot of niggas from Philly in my circle either. You can get caught up.

 

[CirocObama]

Man the sites is fucking up foe me i cant barely see shit except the bolded part about someone being from Chicago. Dont know who that was about but IF that was about was about me then that would be negative if not my bad, cant see shit. My shit is fucking up.

 

Jay probably wasn't out there like that...almost no rapper is. Most shit he probably did was flip a lil work out of state. An ounce, half a kilo if he lucky type nigga. I never thought he was a king pin.

And if he did tell Calvin he'd look out, then that's wrong. My only guess, is maybe somebody got in his ear & told him it was a bad look.

I mean think about it from Hov point of view. Imagine if it was you.

1995: You graduate from High School. You and your 4 niggas out there selling dope. Yall getting a lil bit of money. One of yall get murked, the other nigga get killed too. The other 2 get caught with LONG ASS BIDS. You make it out unscathed.

2004: You managed to launch a company. You've turned it into a Multi-million dollar firm. You got rich by basically pumpin poison on the airwaves.....because of this, eventhough you're rich, you got a bad perception in the media. (i.e. Jay aint never running for Office)

2011: You just starting to move away from that "street image". You can go kick it with Oprah. President Obama got your number. You're rubbing shoulders with America's elite. A CEO of a successful company. Your wife is one of the most successful music acts in the last 20 years. You got philanthropic organizations all across the world. Your name is synonymous with success in the urban community. You not "just" a gangsta no more.

Both yall niggas get out of Jail. They still "rough" around the edges. Neither of them niggas gonna want a background position. They gonna want somethin with clout (i.e. getting money). No Calvin from Paid in Full type shit.



Would you really want to go back to having that kind of negativity around you again?

Think about it from Hov's perspective bruh...

if thats jays perspective then as a man all u can do is respect it ... but also jay should of been a man and told him that was his perspective when he called him ....

klein said jay was the second person to call his phone the first kevin chiles owner of don diva magazine ... he said jay told him to fall back and that he would be in the loop ..

see thats where jays character comes into play ... the man never dissed jay he even said he would of like to gain some knowledge corporate wise from the guy ... buy hey it is what it is klein is making his moves jay is making his ...

as far as USMARINE being in here with his typical keep that shit to yaself we know u are jays nonprofit publicist .... its the same futile shit with u ... ya opinion is asinine ....

 

[P. Town]

Alot of fuckery coming from the opposing side of this debate

 

[usmarin3]

how the fuck would u know anyones rep aint u some fucking island nigga with a middle class background down in florida who doesnt even interact with people of the same shade ....?

I grew up in neighborhoods in Jamaica that shits on any neighbor in Chicago, NY,etc and wherever else you niggas glamorize and grew up in shitty neighborhoods in Florida, just because me and moms didn't feel sorry for ourselves and worked our way up out of struggle doesn't make you realer than me. Poor is mental state of mind nigga, if you live your life thinking you ain't shit or cant get better, then you are poor nigga. I interact with progressive people, be it black or white, that's real fucking talk for ya!

 

[Maalik]

if thats jays perspective then as a man all u can do is respect it ... but also jay should of been a man and told him that was his perspective when he called him ....

klein said jay was the second person to call his phone the first kevin chiles owner of don diva magazine ... he said jay told him to fall back and that he would be in the loop ..

see thats where jays character comes into play ... the man never dissed jay he even said he would of like to gain some knowledge corporate wise from the guy ... buy hey it is what it is klein is making his moves jay is making his ...

He could've...probably scared to say how he felt & be seen as a nigga who got rich & "changed up" eventhough that would be the smartest thing to do. A part of me just think they wasn't that close. Just cuz you dealing with a nigga, dont mean yall friends like that. Why would Hov bring on Ty-Ty, B-High & OG Juan. Niggas who obviously are clingers but, not Dehaven & Calvin. Maybe they overestimated how cool they was.

Again...I'm not riding Hov nuts. Im just lookin at from the mind of a nigga with ALOT OF LOSE.

 

I grew up in neighborhoods in Jamaica that shits on any neighbor in Chicago, NY,etc and wherever else you niggas glamorize and grew up in shitty neighborhoods in Florida, just because me and moms didn't feel sorry for ourselves and worked our way up out of struggle doesn't make you realer than me. Poor is mental state of mind nigga, if you live your life thinking you ain't shit or cant get better, then you are poor nigga. I interact with progressive people, be it black or walk, that's real fucking talk for ya!

shut the fuck up u peon ... how do judge success and progression ...? i'm doing good and I could care less about that fuck island u were dropped of from ... the point is we dont need no futile statements from u in this here thread ok ....

 

He could've...probably scared to say how he felt & be seen as a nigga who got rich & "changed up" eventhough that would be the smartest thing to do. A part of me just think they wasn't that close. Just cuz you dealing with a nigga, dont mean yall friends like that. Why would Hov bring on Ty-Ty, B-High & OG Juan. Niggas who obviously are clingers but, not Dehaven & Calvin. Maybe they overestimated how cool they was.

Again...I'm not riding Hov nuts. Im just lookin at from the mind of a nigga with ALOT OF LOSE.

jay and dehaven were tighter than all of them cats he rides with now ... thats the only situation where I suspect dehaven could of pulled some fuckery ....

but the klein and jay situation is clear view ... he called the man offering a good friendly helping hand .... klein didnt call him he called klein ...

jay should of told him upfront I doubt I can make moves with u at this point ....

@PTOWN explain the fuckery .....

 

[Maalik]

jay and dehaven were tighter than all of them cats he rides with now ... thats the only situation where I suspect dehaven could of pulled some fuckery ....

but the klein and jay situation is clear view ... he called the man offering a good friendly helping hand .... klein didnt call him he called klein ...

jay should of told him upfront I doubt I can make moves with u at this point ....

Then yea....he should've kept it real, no matter how Calvin would've took it.

Hov could've threw him a 100,000 & changed his phone number.

 

[usmarin3]

shut the fuck up u peon ... how do judge success and progression ...? i'm doing good and I could care less about that fuck island u were dropped of from ... the point is we dont need no futile statements from u in this here thread ok ....

You obviously do or else you wouldn't bring up my background nigga, obviously you feel some type of way about my success or my lifestyle.

 

[P. Town]

jay and dehaven were tighter than all of them cats he rides with now ... thats the only situation where I suspect dehaven could of pulled some fuckery ....

but the klein and jay situation is clear view ... he called the man offering a good friendly helping hand .... klein didnt call him he called klein ...

jay should of told him upfront I doubt I can make moves with u at this point ....

@PTOWN explain the fuckery .....

You niggas speaking out of hate and not fact.

 

[Maalik]

I'm finished with the discussion, i'm just telling yall & hopefully yall smart enough to feel the same...

I'm not making $40,000,000 a year, having dinner with the President & Fortune 500 CEOs & having all of my entourage being niggas I sold Crack with back in the 80s. Them niggas need to move on. Shawn in a different tax bracket now. Would any of yall fools go to Law School, become a Lawyer & still kick it with your friends who Set trip. No!!!! Dont criticize Hov then.

 

[P. Town]

I'm finished with the discussion, i'm just telling yall & hopefully yall smart enough to feel the same...

I'm not making $40,000,000 a year, having dinner with the President & Fortune 500 CEOs & having all of my entourage being niggas I sold Crack with back in the 80s. Them niggas need to move on. Shawn in a different tax bracket now. Would any of yall fools go to Law School, become a Lawyer & still kick it with your friends who Set trip. No!!!! Dont criticize Hov then.

If Dehaven wasn't such a bitter ass nigga he would be eating with Jay right now

 

You niggas speaking out of hate and not fact.

no hate I just see things for what they are ...

@maalik who gives a fuck about eating with the president I know I sure in the fuck dont ... I'll take the care without doing all that weak extra shit ...

do u see denzel eating with the president ... NO ... why because it doesnt make him or break him he is still denzel ... he had it inhim to help his good friend wesley snipes out who was going thru it with the government ... he also helped out a guy by the name of Frank Lucas who sold more dope than jay would ever imagine ... are the feds looking into denzel ?

honestly I feel jay looked a calvin as someone he couldnt control like say a bleek a ty ty or bhigh ....

 

[Llahsram]

u sir are correct plus it s on was DOPE

Damn I went to bed around 11 and been busy all day came on IC and this thread is still going. What did you think of the Jim Jones video I posted? So was it true Jay turned his back on Beans during his trail? I heard Dame and Jay had problems going back to the Big Pimpin video in Dame's camera time. Is that ture? Let's keep this thread going I've learned alot.

 

You niggas speaking out of hate and not fact.

btw u havent brought shit to this thread but weak ass comments no substance my dude back....

fall back with ya side choosing opinions .... there is no other half of the debate nigga this is discussion .....

 

[P. Town]

btw u havent brought shit to this thread but weak ass comments no substance my dude back....

fall back with ya side choosing opinions .... there is no other half of the debate nigga this is discussion .....

You're losing though. You not doing anything, but trying to refute facts

 

You're losing though. You not doing anything, but trying to refute facts

didnt know I was in competition with anyone ....

maalik understood where I came from as he acknowledged ...

I guess because u have a picture of another mans money in ya avi u know it all though ...