The Last Days Of The Roc Pt 10:Dame Dash Discovers Jay-Z Is Making Moves W/ Def Jam

[UPTOWN]

Of course it is. I can't say he NEVER sold drugs cuz even Snoop sold drugs a lil bit, but Snoop grew up as a church boy. Anybody can sell drugs. TRUST ME i know (and i bet you do too) i know so many cats niggas who ain't hard or tough at all but they've sold drugs. With Snoop the dude who invested and created his image was C-Styles, who also is from Long Beach. You can catch him in alot of Snoop's videos back in the day. Same thing with Jay-Z, Jeezy etc etc.

That's how they get "credible". It's because of these real gangstas or whatever invest in them and create an image for 'em. Now i could care less about these gangsta dudes cuz they not doing no good in the community but truth is truth.

you're over analyzing this in every way possible ... your logic applies to each and every human soul that has ever lived in the hood. EVERYBODY WENT TO CHURCH. if you were muslim you went to the mosque. there is a very very small minority that just didnt have any religion etc.

what im getting at is why to be from the hood or to live up to the image of your raps, you have to be this person who was born and left on the door step for dead, thrown into a back room where you managed to crawl to a baby bottle until you were old enuff to sell drugs?? jay z and snoop and other rappers were not created images like vanilla ice or snow. everybody has a person who they piggy back off of, that puts them on to the ways of the hood etc etc. for your logic to make sense, you would also have to say that someone sat there and said " ok lets find some guy, turn him into the hardest gangsta who ever walked thru long beach, introduce him to dre, and have him start writing raps ... HE SHOULD BLOW UP AND WE GONNA GET PAID!!"

i always envisioned these rappers as regular guys from the hood who can rap, came from a broken home etc etc just like everybody else and that is what made people relate to them. i never thought they were these tookie williams monsters who would shoot and kill anyone in an instant. im sure they had family members that loved them and had aunt and uncles and had family reunion cookouts just like everyone else

your view point reminds me of white kids who get interviewed in hip hop documentaries. they dont relate to rap music in alot of ways, but they are curious to know about drive by's, what its like to not have both parents etc etc

credibility doesnt always lie in how much of a criminal you were or how hard you had it. fact is snoop is from long beach ... and long beach is not beverly hills. jay z is from brooklyn and brooklyn is not shady springs florida.

the reason why i believe a good amount of rappers are who they say they are is because they dont claim to be anything out of the ordinary. you're confusing the braggadicio aspect of rap with the credibility factor. if snoop says he fucks atleast 3 dime pieces a night ... i know he's just saying it for the sake of the rap LOL i dont take it literally. im from the hood just like him so i know there's not even a whole lot of dimes to choose from let alone having 3 in constant rotation

you're over analyzing it cuzzin

that is not realistic

 

[CirocObama]

you're over analyzing this in every way possible ... your logic applies to each and every human soul that has ever lived in the hood. EVERYBODY WENT TO CHURCH. if you were muslim you went to the mosque. there is a very very small minority that just didnt have any religion etc.

what im getting at is why to be from the hood or to live up to the image of your raps, you have to be this person who was born and left on the door step for dead, thrown into a back room where you managed to crawl to a baby bottle until you were old enuff to sell drugs?? jay z and snoop and other rappers were not created images like vanilla ice or snow. everybody has a person who they piggy back off of, that puts them on to the ways of the hood etc etc. for your logic to make sense, you would also have to say that someone sat there and said " ok lets find some guy, turn him into the hardest gangsta who ever walked thru long beach, introduce him to dre, and have him start writing raps ... HE SHOULD BLOW UP AND WE GONNA GET PAID!!"

i always envisioned these rappers as regular guys from the hood who can rap, came from a broken home etc etc just like everybody else and that is what made people relate to them. i never thought they were these tookie williams monsters who would shoot and kill anyone in an instant. im sure they had family members that loved them and had aunt and uncles and had family reunion cookouts just like everyone else

your view point reminds me of white kids who get interviewed in hip hop documentaries. they dont relate to rap music in alot of ways, but they are curious to know about drive by's, what its like to not have both parents etc etc

credibility doesnt always lie in how much of a criminal you were or how hard you had it. fact is snoop is from long beach ... and long beach is not beverly hills. jay z is from brooklyn and brooklyn is not shady springs florida.

the reason why i believe a good amount of rappers are who they say they are is because they dont claim to be anything out of the ordinary. you're confusing the braggadicio aspect of rap with the credibility factor. if snoop says he fucks atleast 3 dime pieces a night ... i know he's just saying it for the sake of the rap LOL i dont take it literally. im from the hood just like him so i know there's not even a whole lot of dimes to choose from let alone having 3 in constant rotation

you're over analyzing it cuzzin

that is not realistic

Nigga YOU'RE overanalyzing. Didn't i say that i can't say that Jay-Z NEVER sold drugs?

So when you read that you should've deciphered that i didn't mean that you can't sell drugs just cuz you a churchboy, and that was my point. I said "Snoop was a church boy but still got caught sellin coke..but he never hurt a fly in the hood he was not a super crip or none of that". I know niggas out in the L-B.

Im not even gonna bother reading the rest of the shit. The fact that you clown niggas actually believe that Jay-Z is a Big Willie in the hood even with all the evidence is just laughable. Again i never said that Jay-Z NEVER sold drugs, i said that Jay-Z DIDN'T have no pull (before the money), he ain't a Big Willy and he had investors who created his image just like every other rapper. Like CK said, Jay-Z wasn't even on that Big Willie shit until 1996 when that mob rap got popular. So stop it nigga.

Stop goin' on rants just cuz you can't take FACTS. I really feel sorry for you if you believe that Jay-Z or 98% of these rappers got that big of a rep anyway.

But i also said "You'd be suprised to find out that DJ Quik got a bigger rep than ya favorite rapper". And with that i meant that most ppl prolly wouldn't believe that cuz he don't act like a "thug nigga", and that was my point. All i said is that Jay-Z's image is created, he had investors, he aint no Big Willie and etc.

That's a FACT. Take it or leave it. CK is just 1 of sooooooo many niggas who've said the same. It's just niggas make excuses cuz it's Jay, but when Nas homies or 2pac's homies or Mobb Deep's homies or whoever say the same niggas don't argue.

 

[UPTOWN]

uptown read the dude calvin kleins interview and tell me what u honestly feel after the read .....

i read that and watch the videos when it originally surfaced

i mean, its not like dude is unbiased LOL ... him and jay are on bad terms pretty much LOL ... if i ask you about your former best friend that fucked your high school sweetheart behind your back, are you gonna bring up all the times he won fights, how good he was in basketball, fond memories of you two playing playstation, and when he bought you an extra value meal even tho he was gonna spend the 5 bucks on something else?? LOL hell no ... your gonna bring up times where he messed up money, did shady shit to people you both knew, and how you did all kinds of shit for him during his hard times LOL .... thats human nature, but im not taking it on face value tho

the thing is some people say jaz put jay on, some say kalvin klein, some say emory, and some say dame dash ... which one is it?? and what are these investments that they made in jay??? why are they not mad at biggs and dame dash too??

LOL @ Irv Gotti. How the fuck you gon' name some damn CEO about who was in the streets? You might as well ask Puffy. SMH.

cuzzin ... irv gotti knew all these cats before any of them ever blew up. cuzzin, irv gotti came up with these dudes irv gotti got his murda inc deal (which made him a ceo) AFTER JAY AND DAME GOT ROCAFELLA SIGNED LOL irv gotti helped broker the deal ...but he was no where near a ceo at the time LOL he was just a regular guy just like them

Jaz-O also said Jay-Z wasn't in the streets. So he said both. However Calvin Klein was the REAL street dude. Jaz-O was more of a rapper compared to Calvin. I mean Calvin invested in him and has a big rep in the streets. I dont know too much about Jaz-O but we can all agree that he wasn't on CK's level.

what did calvin klien invest in jay z?? LOL

My point however is that when shit like this gets reported about other rappers they're IMMEDIATELY written off as "fake", but when it's Jay-Z niggas wanna argue. Including you. Let's face it Jay-Z has created a big brand for himself and he is a talented MC i will say, but he's not no street dude.

what is a street dude?? what has jay z claimed to do that you dont believe?? ive never really heard jay z claim to do anything thats was on some rayful edmonds shit or anything like that. the only thing i can think of is how he said he had made $900,000 before he began to take rap seriously. jay claimed he hustled and made considerable amounts of money .... so what!!! LOL its not like he claimed to have killed drug kingpins and overthrow cartels in columbia. dame dash went to a boarding school, so he's not from harlem and he wasnt in the streets too?? explain how they got the money to start rocafella then??? jay z was an equal partner with dame and biggs so how come they never say " jay z didnt even put his part of the money up, calvin klein did!!"

the main misunderstanding here is that you are making jay out to be claiming to be this scarface figure to you so you can tear him down. but i never thought he claimed to do or be anything but a regular cat from the hood

But if you read my first sentence i did say "I can't say he NEVER sold drugs" cuz anybody can sell drugs. Snoop ain't no gangbangin' super crip but he sold drugs for a lil while but Snoop wouldn't hurt a fly back then. So anybody can sell a drug.

when did snoop ever claim to be a super crip?? LOL ... thats what im trying to understand. where are you getting this from?? you know how many crips there are?? how many of them can possibly be this live wire shoot on site type of person?? i just dont see why you or anyone thought snoop was a gangbangin super crip in the first place ... i never heard him claim to be that

But that image Jay-Z has created as this big drug dealing big willy with tons of weight in the streets is HELLA FAKE. Just be honest.

you're confusing the braggadicio with the real credibility claims. i never thought jay z was rayful edmounds based on the things he rapped about. ive never even heard him claim to be a multi millionaire from selling drugs.

when he says "more O's than you know exist bitch WHO YOU WIT" that is just simply braggadicio rapping. no one should think he has tons of cocaine in a stash house because of those lyrics. if you dont like jay just say it LOL ... i mean i like jay as a rapper but he's not my fav or anything like that lol

It's the same thing Ice Cube and 2pac are 2 of my favorite MC's of all time but i know they weren't no gangstas back in the day. Does that mean that they NEVER sold drugs or didn't have it hard growing up? Hell no. But they were not gangstas, thugs or had that pull in the hood.

true indeed .. but when did they ever claim they did?? LOL there are only so many people that have pull on the streets on any significant level. my question to you is this. you dont believe they were these super drug dealers and gangstas and niether do we ... so why do you think that we do ?? LOL

 

[UPTOWN]

Nigga YOU'RE overanalyzing. Didn't i say that i can't say that Jay-Z NEVER sold drugs?

So when you read that you should've deciphered that i didn't mean that you can't sell drugs just cuz you a churchboy, and that was my point. I said "Snoop was a church boy but still got caught sellin coke..but he never hurt a fly in the hood he was not a super crip or none of that". I know niggas out in the L-B.

Im not even gonna bother reading the rest of the shit. The fact that you clown niggas actually believe that Jay-Z is a Big Willie in the hood even with all the evidence is just laughable. Again i never said that Jay-Z NEVER sold drugs, i said that Jay-Z DIDN'T have no pull (before the money), he ain't a Big Willy and he had investors who created his image just like every other rapper. Like CK said, Jay-Z wasn't even on that Big Willie shit until 1996 when that mob rap got popular. So stop it nigga.

Stop goin' on rants just cuz you can't take FACTS. I really feel sorry for you if you believe that Jay-Z or 98% of these rappers got that big of a rep anyway.

But i also said "You'd be suprised to find out that DJ Quik got a bigger rep than ya favorite rapper". And with that i meant that most ppl prolly wouldn't believe that cuz he don't act like a "thug nigga", and that was my point. All i said is that Jay-Z's image is created, he had investors, he aint no Big Willie and etc.

That's a FACT. Take it or leave it. CK is just 1 of sooooooo many niggas who've said the same. It's just niggas make excuses cuz it's Jay, but when Nas homies or 2pac's homies or Mobb Deep's homies or whoever say the same niggas don't argue.

well you didnt read the whole thing so you just typed all that for no reason. we know the difference between actual credibilty claims and braggadicio raps. thanks for the heads up anyway tho fam... but we good, we know whats going on LOL

i just dont understand why you think you were the only person that knew this LOL

 

[freshb651]

Bleek said Jay always had nice cars and big screen tv's and bad chicks ever since he knew him,all the dudes that try to descredit Jay don't like him.

That's what you do when you don't like somebody,you try to descredit them.

 

[imalreadydagoat504]

lmao at CK being one of jay investor or that he put a share in roc a fella. dude went to jail in 89, around the time jay was hanging wit klien he didnt have a gangster image in rap, he was wit jaz, only reason he got that gangster/mafia image was cause it was hot around that time. since the early 90's he was on the gangster shit, but he switch to mafia shit for a minute. he just a dude jay chilled wit when he just a regular street days. read the interview and watch the video, he never said he was close to jay or he took care of jay or grew up with jay. him and jay was just cool, and jay told him he was gon hold him down once he got out and jay aint keep his word

 

[CirocObama]

well you didnt read the whole thing so you just typed all that for no reason. we know the difference between actual credibilty claims and braggadicio raps. thanks for the heads up anyway tho fam... but we good, we know whats going on LOL

i just dont understand why you think you were the only person that knew this LOL

Nigga Snoop even dress in Crip clothes and got Crip flagged pillows while claiming to be a "Eastside Long Beach Crip" even tho he wasn't. Neither is Kurupt or any of them. Kurupt got his affiliation from the 60's cuz his bodyguard was a thorough dude from there (Nipsey's manager or whatever he is) called Big Drawz/Big U.

Same thing 40 Glocc ain't a real Crip either. LMAO its just funny how you're tryin to defend Jay-Z. Homie i KNOW niggas. I'm not a tough guy at all. But i know cats and i know how to decipher shit.

Like i said. Im not talking outta my ass like you. And LOOOOOOL @ u tryin to justify it by sayin "we know the difference between actual credibility and braggadocio".

You win dawg. Jay-Z was a boss in the streets and was moving major weight. You're right. No sense at all in arguin' with someone who'll write 80 paragraphs about something thats been proving over and over. LMAO.

 

[CirocObama]

lmao at CK being one of jay investor or that he put a share in roc a fella. dude went to jail in 89, around the time jay was hanging wit klien he didnt have a gangster image in rap, he was wit jaz, only reason he got that gangster/mafia image was cause it was hot around that time. since the early 90's he was on the gangster shit, but he switch to mafia shit for a minute. he just a dude jay chilled wit when he just a regular street days. read the interview and watch the video, he never said he was close to jay or he took care of jay or grew up with jay. him and jay was just cool, and jay told him he was gon hold him down once he got out and jay aint keep his word

Homie dude who invested in Snoop went to jail before Snoop blew up and when he got out Snoop was already signed to Dre. And yes he 100% invested in dude. There's nothin to can say to denounce that fact in Long Beach. Even Snoop's family (im talkin cousins and shit) will tell you that. And not the ones who got beef either. But of course on the internet you can. LMAO you niggas is dumb as hell i swear. No sense of street smarts at all.

This will be my last post tho cuz theres NOTHING you can say to a Jay-Z fan. Everyone else can get shitted on but not Jay-Z. Like i said money and popularity got niggas dickriding.

 

[imalreadydagoat504]

Bleek said Jay always had nice cars and big screen tv's and bad chicks ever since he knew him,all the dudes that try to descredit Jay don't like him.

That's what you do when you don't like somebody,you try to descredit them.

busta rhymes said when they went to high school together, that jay was the dude that came to school wit gold chains lots of jewerly, and alot of money. and had all the girls. foxy even said before Rd came out jay had expensive cars.

 

[CirocObama]

busta rhymes said when they went to high school together, that jay was the dude that came to school wit gold chains lots of jewerly, and alot of money. and had all the girls. foxy even said before Rd came out jay had expensive cars.

Ohhhh so when Busta Rhymes said how JayZ used to ball its true but when niggas say Jay-Z wasnt shit before its "ahhhhh this nigga lyin" "aww he looking for attention"

HAHAAHAHAH NIGGAS IS HILARIOUS!!

 

lmao at CK being one of jay investor or that he put a share in roc a fella. dude went to jail in 89, around the time jay was hanging wit klien he didnt have a gangster image in rap, he was wit jaz, only reason he got that gangster/mafia image was cause it was hot around that time. since the early 90's he was on the gangster shit, but he switch to mafia shit for a minute. he just a dude jay chilled wit when he just a regular street days. read the interview and watch the video, he never said he was close to jay or he took care of jay or grew up with jay. him and jay was just cool, and jay told him he was gon hold him down once he got out and jay aint keep his word

bolded is true and is the only point I was trying to make .....

he also says he took an attempted murder charge that both and he and jay were apprehended for on the chin ...

 

[imalreadydagoat504]

Homie dude who invested in Snoop went to jail before Snoop blew up and when he got out Snoop was already signed to Dre. And yes he 100% invested in dude. There's nothin to can say to denounce that fact in Long Beach. Even Snoop's family (im talkin cousins and shit) will tell you that. And not the ones who got beef either. But of course on the internet you can. LMAO you niggas is dumb as hell i swear. No sense of street smarts at all.

This will be my last post tho cuz theres NOTHING you can say to a Jay-Z fan. Everyone else can get shitted on but not Jay-Z. Like i said money and popularity got niggas dickriding.

im not talkin about snoop dogg, im talkin about CK aint never said that. around the time CK went to jail, jay and jaz use to be in france touring and stuff. around that time that CK went to jail jay was out in Virginia with dehaven selling drugs.

why would he need CK to invest in him if Dehaven was a big sales drug dealer that jay worked wit and grew up as best friends(jay is dehaven daugher godfather) and also had big money.

find me a article where CK said he invested in jay, i'll video of dehaven saying him and jay sold drugs in Virginia

 

[imalreadydagoat504]

Ohhhh so when Busta Rhymes said how JayZ used to ball its true but when niggas say Jay-Z wasnt shit before its "ahhhhh this nigga lyin" "aww he looking for attention"

HAHAAHAHAH NIGGAS IS HILARIOUS!!

balling on high school niggaz, and ballin to nigga who selling ki's of coke is 2 different things. ever one of jay friends has said he sold drugs and wasnt broke even the one who hate him, klien is just saying jay wasnt no kingpin, he never said dude was just a broke ass bum

 

im not talkin about snoop dogg, im talkin about CK aint never said that. around the time CK went to jail, jay and jaz use to be in france touring and stuff. around that time that CK went to jail jay was out in Virginia with dehaven selling drugs.

why would he need CK to invest in him if Dehaven was a big sales drug dealer that jay worked wit and grew up as best friends(jay is dehaven daugher godfather) and also had big money.

find me a article where CK said he invested in jay, i'll video of dehaven saying him and jay sold drugs in Virginia

I cant recall ever hearing CK say he invested with jay ...

but I do think jay was with CK when he got apprehended hence the "NEVER FELT MORE ALIVE RIDING SHOTGUN IN KLEINS GREEN 5 UNTIL THE COPS PULLED GUNS" line .....

 

balling on high school niggaz, and ballin to nigga who selling ki's of coke is 2 different things. ever one of jay friends has said he sold drugs and was broke, klien is just saying jay wasnt no kingpin, he never said dude was just a broke ass bum

yea believe or not the nigga I asked the nigga dehaven a question through mypsace about three years ago .... he responded and told me that he and jay were getting good money back then .... he just says he didnt respect how thing played out basically .

i'm not shitting on jay ... if he was getting a lil bit of paper I respect that ... but the shit about him ducking was CK was straight coward shit on jays behalf .. point blank .

 

[imalreadydagoat504]

yea believe or not the nigga I asked the nigga dehaven a question through mypsace about three years ago .... he responded and told me that he and jay were getting good money back then .... he just says he didnt respect how thing played out basically .

i'm not shitting on jay ... if he was getting a lil bit of paper I respect that ... but the shit about him ducking was CK was straight coward shit on jays behalf .. point blank .

true u should have just faced it like a man, and told him how he felt and not had ti ti doin his dirty work

and that real shit him takin his charge and not letting other niggaz go down wit him, that a real man, most people would have never took there straght up to let a person that was innocent off the hook

 

[imalreadydagoat504]

Homie dude who invested in Snoop went to jail before Snoop blew up and when he got out Snoop was already signed to Dre. And yes he 100% invested in dude. There's nothin to can say to denounce that fact in Long Beach. Even Snoop's family (im talkin cousins and shit) will tell you that. And not the ones who got beef either. But of course on the internet you can. LMAO you niggas is dumb as hell i swear. No sense of street smarts at all.

This will be my last post tho cuz theres NOTHING you can say to a Jay-Z fan. Everyone else can get shitted on but not Jay-Z. Like i said money and popularity got niggas dickriding.

and i dont knw about anybody else but i aint takin up for jay, im telling u that not how the situation went down wit, and u keep bringing the snoop situation when its not the same thang. CK never once said he invested in jay, if anything jay looked at how these dudes moved and put it in his style but they wasnt building a image for jay, cause around that time he was a gangsta rappers. and nobody is saying his a kingpin(point somebody out for me) or me moved ki's, but a drug dealer that made good money and able to be flashy compared for normal people his age. and moved a good amount of drugs with his best friend(dehaven) who confirms this, and he hates jay, cause jay aint hold him down when he got out

 

[CirocObama]

klien is just saying jay wasnt no kingpin, he never said dude was just a broke ass bum

WHICH WAS MY FUCKING POINT HOMIE!! LMAO.

Thank you for finally gettin' what i'm saying cuz that's what me and the other goofball were arguin' about. Again even 2pac sold drugs that's nothing. Anybody can sell drugs. All i said was that Jay-Z wasn't no kingpin and the other dude tryna argue about that shit too like a clown and shit.

 

[imalreadydagoat504]

WHICH WAS MY FUCKING POINT HOMIE!! LMAO.

Thank you for finally gettin' what i'm saying cuz that's what me and the other goofball were arguin' about. Again even 2pac sold drugs that's nothing. Anybody can sell drugs. All i said was that Jay-Z wasn't no kingpin and the other dude tryna argue about that shit too like a clown and shit.

but the other dude keep saying he never believe jay was a kingpin either, only thing he said and im saying, is this not the same as the snoop situation, CK never said he invested in jay or anybody who is around jay at time or the dudes who hate him right now who was around at that time. u just making things up or reading wat he said wrong, cause he never said that in any interview or video, he just said they was cool, and jay said he was hold him down wit he get out and that jay aint keep his word, he said jay dont owe him anything or he never did, the problem he got is jay aint keep his word and thought jay was going to have a job for him. the other problem he feel that jay and other millionaire should do more for there people.

 

[$ineedmoney$]

Ummm....some shyt don't sound right to me. I mean what went down between CK and Jay back in the day don't affect our lives at all. But from all the information gathered here, Calvin Klein stated and I quote, Jay said to him "Oh, I got you" when he got realeased and came home. He met with Jay once, then after that, he met with Ty Ty from then on. Then still nothing transpired after those meetings. No position nowhere, no legit connections....nothing. Akon turned Calvin Klein legit, which was a blessing for CK. Akon looked out for real.

Now rewind back in the day when Jay was gonna' get pinched for attempted murder while connected with CK. CK does all he can to separate Jay from the attempted murder charge, and it also costs him $50,000 to give Jay a clean slate.

Now background stories to a lot of these artists are real interesting as we all here know. But I'mma compare a couple situations here.

Guru of Gangstarr back in the day ran with a man name Big Shug. Guru and Big Shug was hustling together to get dough for studio time and making demos. They formed Gangstarr together. But in the midst of gettin' money, Guru dipped out on Big Shug during a robbery and Shug didn't snitch and got pinched for it. After Shug came home, Guru and Primo broke off Shug crazy paper, put him back down with the Gangstarr Foundation and gave him guest spots on the album even though he wasn't signed to the record label as a contractual artist. They made good.

We all know Bigs story. Big caught slippin' in the street with heat and tosses it. Big and his manz D-Roc get swooped for the gun charge. It's Bigs gun right, but D-Roc takes the gun charge for Big to do good and give him a clean slate. When D-Roc got released and came home, Big had D-Roc right there with him everywhere he went. Put his manz on.

I'm not trying to say who's right or who's wrong, but shyt just seem a lil' fishy here. Something don't smell right. But if I come home and the second phone call I get is from Jay, it's obvious I did something for that man that he'll never forget. Then he tells me, "Oh, I got you" and nothing comes about it. I'd feel a certain way too. Even though CK is making a way for himself. He never asked anyone for money. He just wanted to be legit. That's just my thoughts on how I feel about it.