THE DARK SIDE OF THE BIBLE- SATAN VS JEHOVAH (YOU JUDGE )

[zombie]

the literal translation of jeremiah17:4 is the better one

and thou hast let go -- even through thyself, Of thine inheritance that I gave to thee, And I have caused thee to serve thine enemies, In a land that thou hast not known, For a fire ye have kindled in Mine anger, Unto the age it doth burn.

Thats what happens when you see a contradiction. you run to another translation. if the bible is the word of god then shouldnt it be perfect in all languages especially if our eternal fate is supposidly based on this book?

there is no contradiction and it says the same thing in all versions, words are symbols that convey ideas and messages when your culture lacks certain ideas sometimes a word that is closest to what the original word is believed to be trying to convey is used. but the intent of the original message does not change. in english for example there is a different conotation given when you say something is big vs saying something is humongous.

or the difference between paradise and heaven people often get them confused

and your eternal fate is not tied to the bible it's tired to what's in your heart.

 

[Black Boy King]

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

that was not a statement pointed directly at you but more of a general statement to people who believe they can know when the end will come.

but to address what i believe to be your talking things out of context lets look at. matt 16 jesus is talking about the religious people of his time not far future generations

matt 24 is not about the far future either it is about the end of "the age" the end of temple worship as the jews then knew it and the suffering of judea that not so long after chist died the romans brought about.

Are you telling me that you believe that everything in Matthew 24 has already come to past

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Interesting....

not really tho

all this over a book that was written ages ago

and nobody in our time can really prove it right or wrong

The word of God proves itself. The prophecies testify to the word of God being true. Over 25% of the word of God is prophetic. Most of it has been fulfilled already. The only things left to be fulfilled concern the end of this age and the eternal kingdom of God. And if you can't discern by now, we are on the cusp of those prophecies coming to pass soon. The signs of the times testify to that fact. Amen.

ok drop some non-vague prophecies that came true in our time and we can prove that it happened

ppl have been thinkin they gonna see the endtimes since aeonshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Egypt would never again rule over other nations

"It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations." Ezekiel 29:15

Written: between 593-571 BC

In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Since the time of Ezekiel, Egypt no longer rules over other nations.

sounds still kinda vague to me, i mean if this confirms your faith more power to you.

ok egypt doesnt rule over other nations but it could be that bacc when they wrote this chapter they already saw the decline of egypt and they just thought that they will never be great again.

That is just 1 example of hundreds of fulfilled prophecies my friend. My faith doesn't rest in that though. My faith rests in King Jesus who died, was buried, and rose again from the dead! His sacrifice for me washed away my sins as far as the east is from the west. Hallelujah! But the same Jesus that I love and serve, is the same Jesus who died for you as well. If you will come to Him today, you can change your eternal destiny! Do you want to reign and rule with King Jesus forever and ever my friend?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

no one knows when the world is going to end and interpreating the signs of the times is ultimately counter productive.

Are these your earthly thoughts telling you that or the Word of God?

Understand that no one here is claiming to know the exact hour and time the Lord is coming for not even the Son knows! Noah did not know the exact time the rain would start but he knew it would be soon and that's what he tried to tell the people.

No sign of the times will be given (better yet, interpreted) to an evil, adulterous servant, but he will give forewarning to his faithful servants. He tells His servants repeatedly to what to look for at the end of times, then tells them to "watch" for them.

But an evil servant does not believe in the Word of God, therefore they will not see the signs...! For they believe in worldly things such as weather forecasts and such but choose to ignore the signs from the heavens (e.g. when the Messiah came the first time and walked among them working miracles and fulfilling the exact prophecy written).

Don't believe me, believe the Word!

Matthew 16

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came , and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say , It will be fair weather: for the sky is red . 3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring . O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed .

Jonah's sign was he had to be swallowed up in the belly of the fish for 3 days... I interpret that as the evil people (evil as in those not believing in God), will have to go through the Tribulation and suffering of His wrath (because it is only Him that can allow a man to stay inside a fish alive!!!), before they recognize that it is indeed HIM the LORD.

But He then turns around and says HIS FAITHFUL SERVANTS will be moved to forewarn others

Matthew 24

45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Woe to the evil man that insists the Lord does not come soon! Seek the wisdom and He will give it to you, trust! Believe in the prophecies of the Book and watch for them for there WILL be a time where they come to past!

listen, NO ONE KNOWS THE TIME OR THE HOUR and god comes like a theif in the night so guessing is a wasted effort and only pushes people away from belief, because when nothing happens they look at you like a fraud so preaching end time philosophy is counter productive. That's how we got the jehovah's witnesses

and the more popular the end of the world preaching becomes the more i know that the world is not ending, let the world ends when it ends you just focus on living as godly as you can.

Just a suggestion my brother. You might want to do a study of 1 Thessalonians chapter 5. We are not to be ignorant of the "times and seasons" so that the day of the Lord will not take us as a thief. If we are in the light, then we are watching for the "times and seasons" of the Lords return. Thus the day will not overtake us as a thief. It's similar to the parable of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. You might want to study that as well. Just a suggestion. Amen.

 

[Black Boy King]

Bro, have you read Matthews 24? You say it isn't about the end of times, but have you not directly quoted it a few posts ago saying "no one knows the hour or time of His return" which is in Matthew 24?

the literal translation of jeremiah17:4 is the better one

and thou hast let go -- even through thyself, Of thine inheritance that I gave to thee, And I have caused thee to serve thine enemies, In a land that thou hast not known, For a fire ye have kindled in Mine anger, Unto the age it doth burn.

Thats what happens when you see a contradiction. you run to another translation. if the bible is the word of god then shouldnt it be perfect in all languages especially if our eternal fate is supposidly based on this book?

there is no contradiction and it says the same thing in all versions, words are symbols that convey ideas and messages when your culture lacks certain ideas sometimes a word that is closest to what the original word is believed to be trying to convey is used. but the intent of the original message does not change. in english for example there is a different conotation given when you say something is big vs saying something is humongous.

or the difference between paradise and heaven people often get them confused

and your eternal fate is not tied to the bible it's tired to what's in your heart.

This is a LIE.

I'm extending my hand, fam. the KING JAMES VERSION of the Bible is the BEST translation we have. Many other translations distort various verses to confuse people. Sometimes they will innocently change the words to make it easier to understand but too often have I found that they actually changed a whole idea! It's blasphemy!

Example...

Jeremiah 14:2

King James Version

Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

New King James Version

“Judah mourns, And her gates languish; They mourn for the land, And the cry of Jerusalem has gone up.

^^^Where did they get this???

American Standard Version

2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they sit in black upon the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up

^^^Why do they keep changing this part?????

Good News Translation

2 “Judah is in mourning;

its cities are dying,

its people lie on the ground in sorrow,

and Jerusalem cries out for help

OK THIS IS GETTING JUST DOWNRIGHT SILLY.

Now if you understand how to use a concordance, you will be able to translate words of the ORIGINAL KING JAMES VERSION back to their HEBREW and GREEK MEANING IN THEIR SPECIFIC CONTEXT. The word BLACK in this verse in Hebrew is

qâdar - to be ashy, i.e. dark colored; by implication, to mourn

The ground is different shades of brown and the further you go down into Earth, the DARKER it gets until it is fully BLACK. You have a certain scattered and battered group of people in this world that resemble the color of the ground and it's different shades, from damn near BLACK to a very light brown, that have been cut off from their heritage just as the Bible prophesied they would be, whose hair is takes the liking of WOOL as Jesus Christ's did. JUDAH, the same tribe Jesus Christ comes from!

...Do you see what's going on here?

It's clear that the translations after the King James version don't want the people of Judah (nor any of the other 11 Israelite tribes) to know who they are! But it's clear when you read through the Bible who the real Jews are!

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

 

[Black Boy King]

Lucifer, son of the morning, we gonna CHASE you out of Earth!

 

[zombie]

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

that was not a statement pointed directly at you but more of a general statement to people who believe they can know when the end will come.

but to address what i believe to be your talking things out of context lets look at. matt 16 jesus is talking about the religious people of his time not far future generations

matt 24 is not about the far future either it is about the end of "the age" the end of temple worship as the jews then knew it and the suffering of judea that not so long after chist died the romans brought about.

Are you telling me that you believe that everything in Matthew 24 has already come to past

i view it as being highly possible that most if not all of matthew 24 has been fulfilled this is called the partial peterist view, i hold this view on this passage but not on all prophecy in the bible.

 

[beenwize]

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

A LIE! If you kept reading you would know that this prophecy has not been fulfilled at all. The Bible states that when Israel is restored it will be PEACE. Has it been peace in Israel since 1948?

Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

 

[CracceR]

Interesting....

not really tho

all this over a book that was written ages ago

and nobody in our time can really prove it right or wrong

The word of God proves itself. The prophecies testify to the word of God being true. Over 25% of the word of God is prophetic. Most of it has been fulfilled already. The only things left to be fulfilled concern the end of this age and the eternal kingdom of God. And if you can't discern by now, we are on the cusp of those prophecies coming to pass soon. The signs of the times testify to that fact. Amen.

ok drop some non-vague prophecies that came true in our time and we can prove that it happened

ppl have been thinkin they gonna see the endtimes since aeonshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Egypt would never again rule over other nations

"It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations." Ezekiel 29:15

Written: between 593-571 BC

In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Since the time of Ezekiel, Egypt no longer rules over other nations.

sounds still kinda vague to me, i mean if this confirms your faith more power to you.

ok egypt doesnt rule over other nations but it could be that bacc when they wrote this chapter they already saw the decline of egypt and they just thought that they will never be great again.

That is just 1 example of hundreds of fulfilled prophecies my friend. My faith doesn't rest in that though. My faith rests in King Jesus who died, was buried, and rose again from the dead! His sacrifice for me washed away my sins as far as the east is from the west. Hallelujah! But the same Jesus that I love and serve, is the same Jesus who died for you as well. If you will come to Him today, you can change your eternal destiny! Do you want to reign and rule with King Jesus forever and ever my friend?

yea that could be fun but i dont see it happening, i dont understand how ppl can put this much faith in a book

i would need to see jesus and his miracles with my own eyes.

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

critics would say the zionists formed in the late 1900 solely for the purpose to build israel, so they tried to fulfill the prophecy themselfes.

 

[zombie]

Bro, have you read Matthews 24? You say it isn't about the end of times, but have you not directly quoted it a few posts ago saying "no one knows the hour or time of His return" which is in Matthew 24?

the literal translation of jeremiah17:4 is the better one

and thou hast let go -- even through thyself, Of thine inheritance that I gave to thee, And I have caused thee to serve thine enemies, In a land that thou hast not known, For a fire ye have kindled in Mine anger, Unto the age it doth burn.

Thats what happens when you see a contradiction. you run to another translation. if the bible is the word of god then shouldnt it be perfect in all languages especially if our eternal fate is supposidly based on this book?

there is no contradiction and it says the same thing in all versions, words are symbols that convey ideas and messages when your culture lacks certain ideas sometimes a word that is closest to what the original word is believed to be trying to convey is used. but the intent of the original message does not change. in english for example there is a different conotation given when you say something is big vs saying something is humongous.

or the difference between paradise and heaven people often get them confused

and your eternal fate is not tied to the bible it's tired to what's in your heart.

This is a LIE.

I'm extending my hand, fam. the KING JAMES VERSION of the Bible is the BEST translation we have. Many other translations distort various verses to confuse people. Sometimes they will innocently change the words to make it easier to understand but too often have I found that they actually changed a whole idea! It's blasphemy!

Example...

Jeremiah 14:2

King James Version

Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

New King James Version

“Judah mourns, And her gates languish; They mourn for the land, And the cry of Jerusalem has gone up.

^^^Where did they get this???

American Standard Version

2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they sit in black upon the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up

^^^Why do they keep changing this part?????

Good News Translation

2 “Judah is in mourning;

its cities are dying,

its people lie on the ground in sorrow,

and Jerusalem cries out for help

OK THIS IS GETTING JUST DOWNRIGHT SILLY.

Now if you understand how to use a concordance, you will be able to translate words of the ORIGINAL KING JAMES VERSION back to their HEBREW and GREEK MEANING IN THEIR SPECIFIC CONTEXT. The word BLACK in this verse in Hebrew is

qâdar - to be ashy, i.e. dark colored; by implication, to mourn

The ground is different shades of brown and the further you go down into Earth, the DARKER it gets until it is fully BLACK. You have a certain scattered and battered group of people in this world that resemble the color of the ground and it's different shades, from damn near BLACK to a very light brown, that have been cut off from their heritage just as the Bible prophesied they would be, whose hair is takes the liking of WOOL as Jesus Christ's did. JUDAH, the same tribe Jesus Christ comes from!

...Do you see what's going on here?

It's clear that the translations after the King James version don't want the people of Judah (nor any of the other 11 Israelite tribes) to know who they are! But it's clear when you read through the Bible who the real Jews are!

what i was trying to explain is that the OVERALL message is the same not the exact wording. The best version of the bible is surely not the kjv that i know for sure AND NONE OF THE VERSIONS YOU USE ARE MUCH BETTER.

the best translations of the bible are the most jewish the old testament part of the bible is not really an english version of the tanakh but it should be.

 

[beenwize]

Interesting....

not really tho

all this over a book that was written ages ago

and nobody in our time can really prove it right or wrong

The word of God proves itself. The prophecies testify to the word of God being true. Over 25% of the word of God is prophetic. Most of it has been fulfilled already. The only things left to be fulfilled concern the end of this age and the eternal kingdom of God. And if you can't discern by now, we are on the cusp of those prophecies coming to pass soon. The signs of the times testify to that fact. Amen.

ok drop some non-vague prophecies that came true in our time and we can prove that it happened

ppl have been thinkin they gonna see the endtimes since aeonshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Egypt would never again rule over other nations

"It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations." Ezekiel 29:15

Written: between 593-571 BC

In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Since the time of Ezekiel, Egypt no longer rules over other nations.

sounds still kinda vague to me, i mean if this confirms your faith more power to you.

ok egypt doesnt rule over other nations but it could be that bacc when they wrote this chapter they already saw the decline of egypt and they just thought that they will never be great again.

That is just 1 example of hundreds of fulfilled prophecies my friend. My faith doesn't rest in that though. My faith rests in King Jesus who died, was buried, and rose again from the dead! His sacrifice for me washed away my sins as far as the east is from the west. Hallelujah! But the same Jesus that I love and serve, is the same Jesus who died for you as well. If you will come to Him today, you can change your eternal destiny! Do you want to reign and rule with King Jesus forever and ever my friend?

yea that could be fun but i dont see it happening, i dont understand how ppl can put this much faith in a book

i would need to see jesus and his miracles with my own eyes.

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

critics would say the zionists formed in the late 1900 solely for the purpose to build israel, so they tried to fulfill the prophecy themselfes.

read my previous post above yours.

 

[Black Boy King]

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

that was not a statement pointed directly at you but more of a general statement to people who believe they can know when the end will come.

but to address what i believe to be your talking things out of context lets look at. matt 16 jesus is talking about the religious people of his time not far future generations

matt 24 is not about the far future either it is about the end of "the age" the end of temple worship as the jews then knew it and the suffering of judea that not so long after chist died the romans brought about.

Are you telling me that you believe that everything in Matthew 24 has already come to past

i view it as being highly possible that most if not all of matthew 24 has been fulfilled this is called the partial peterist view, i hold this view on this passage but not on all prophecy in the bible.

Dude, Christ has not yet returned for a second time. We are still on the same Earth they were on 2000 years ago. You sound silly, man.

 

[zombie]

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

If you actually read my post you would not have reiterated "no one knows the hour or time of His coming". I did not speak of an hour or time because I don't know.

Also, you would have read the Scripture I posted saying the evil servant will say "my Lord delayeth His coming" or how modern translations word it "My Lord isn't coming back for a long time"... .....Is this what you are saying?

that was not a statement pointed directly at you but more of a general statement to people who believe they can know when the end will come.

but to address what i believe to be your talking things out of context lets look at. matt 16 jesus is talking about the religious people of his time not far future generations

matt 24 is not about the far future either it is about the end of "the age" the end of temple worship as the jews then knew it and the suffering of judea that not so long after chist died the romans brought about.

Are you telling me that you believe that everything in Matthew 24 has already come to past

i view it as being highly possible that most if not all of matthew 24 has been fulfilled this is called the partial peterist view, i hold this view on this passage but not on all prophecy in the bible.

Dude, Christ has not yet returned for a second time. We are still on the same Earth they were on 2000 years ago. You sound silly, man.

You don't know what the partial peterist view is do you? look it up in reference to matt 24 before you respond to me about it.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

A LIE! If you kept reading you would know that this prophecy has not been fulfilled at all. The Bible states that when Israel is restored it will be PEACE. Has it been peace in Israel since 1948?

Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

The nation of Israel has to be in existence for the end-times to take place. When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. nearly 1900 years past since the existence of the nation of Israel. But as Isaiah said the nation of Israel would be born again in 1 day. Thus the parable of the Fig tree has come to life in our generation. Just FYI, the fig tree represents Israel.

"And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." Luke 21:29-33

The fig tree is here, thus we can discern the "times and the seasons" in which we live in. Amen and Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Interesting....

not really tho

all this over a book that was written ages ago

and nobody in our time can really prove it right or wrong

The word of God proves itself. The prophecies testify to the word of God being true. Over 25% of the word of God is prophetic. Most of it has been fulfilled already. The only things left to be fulfilled concern the end of this age and the eternal kingdom of God. And if you can't discern by now, we are on the cusp of those prophecies coming to pass soon. The signs of the times testify to that fact. Amen.

ok drop some non-vague prophecies that came true in our time and we can prove that it happened

ppl have been thinkin they gonna see the endtimes since aeonshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Egypt would never again rule over other nations

"It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations." Ezekiel 29:15

Written: between 593-571 BC

In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Since the time of Ezekiel, Egypt no longer rules over other nations.

sounds still kinda vague to me, i mean if this confirms your faith more power to you.

ok egypt doesnt rule over other nations but it could be that bacc when they wrote this chapter they already saw the decline of egypt and they just thought that they will never be great again.

That is just 1 example of hundreds of fulfilled prophecies my friend. My faith doesn't rest in that though. My faith rests in King Jesus who died, was buried, and rose again from the dead! His sacrifice for me washed away my sins as far as the east is from the west. Hallelujah! But the same Jesus that I love and serve, is the same Jesus who died for you as well. If you will come to Him today, you can change your eternal destiny! Do you want to reign and rule with King Jesus forever and ever my friend?

yea that could be fun but i dont see it happening, i dont understand how ppl can put this much faith in a book

i would need to see jesus and his miracles with my own eyes.

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

critics would say the zionists formed in the late 1900 solely for the purpose to build israel, so they tried to fulfill the prophecy themselfes.

If you want to get serious with the LORD, He will get serious with you. God says seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened, ask and you shall receive. God handles business my friend and if you want to experience His tangible presence in your life, you have to be real with Him. You can't fake the funk with God. If you mean business, cry out to the LORD and tell Him that you want Him to save you. Confess to Him that your a sinner and that you need Jesus Christ to come into your life to make you into a new creation. I promise if you do this, and you are sincere, God will make Himself real to you. I guarantee it. But I am warning you, you can't fool God. He sees all, knows all, and understands all. He looks at the heart and the intentions of all. Thus if your playing games, God will not hear nor answer your prayer. Amen.

 

[Black Boy King]

Bro, have you read Matthews 24? You say it isn't about the end of times, but have you not directly quoted it a few posts ago saying "no one knows the hour or time of His return" which is in Matthew 24?

the literal translation of jeremiah17:4 is the better one

and thou hast let go -- even through thyself, Of thine inheritance that I gave to thee, And I have caused thee to serve thine enemies, In a land that thou hast not known, For a fire ye have kindled in Mine anger, Unto the age it doth burn.

Thats what happens when you see a contradiction. you run to another translation. if the bible is the word of god then shouldnt it be perfect in all languages especially if our eternal fate is supposidly based on this book?

there is no contradiction and it says the same thing in all versions, words are symbols that convey ideas and messages when your culture lacks certain ideas sometimes a word that is closest to what the original word is believed to be trying to convey is used. but the intent of the original message does not change. in english for example there is a different conotation given when you say something is big vs saying something is humongous.

or the difference between paradise and heaven people often get them confused

and your eternal fate is not tied to the bible it's tired to what's in your heart.

This is a LIE.

I'm extending my hand, fam. the KING JAMES VERSION of the Bible is the BEST translation we have. Many other translations distort various verses to confuse people. Sometimes they will innocently change the words to make it easier to understand but too often have I found that they actually changed a whole idea! It's blasphemy!

Example...

Jeremiah 14:2

King James Version

Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

New King James Version

“Judah mourns, And her gates languish; They mourn for the land, And the cry of Jerusalem has gone up.

^^^Where did they get this???

American Standard Version

2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they sit in black upon the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up

^^^Why do they keep changing this part?????

Good News Translation

2 “Judah is in mourning;

its cities are dying,

its people lie on the ground in sorrow,

and Jerusalem cries out for help

OK THIS IS GETTING JUST DOWNRIGHT SILLY.

Now if you understand how to use a concordance, you will be able to translate words of the ORIGINAL KING JAMES VERSION back to their HEBREW and GREEK MEANING IN THEIR SPECIFIC CONTEXT. The word BLACK in this verse in Hebrew is

qâdar - to be ashy, i.e. dark colored; by implication, to mourn

The ground is different shades of brown and the further you go down into Earth, the DARKER it gets until it is fully BLACK. You have a certain scattered and battered group of people in this world that resemble the color of the ground and it's different shades, from damn near BLACK to a very light brown, that have been cut off from their heritage just as the Bible prophesied they would be, whose hair is takes the liking of WOOL as Jesus Christ's did. JUDAH, the same tribe Jesus Christ comes from!

...Do you see what's going on here?

It's clear that the translations after the King James version don't want the people of Judah (nor any of the other 11 Israelite tribes) to know who they are! But it's clear when you read through the Bible who the real Jews are!

what i was trying to explain is that the OVERALL message is the same not the exact wording. The best version of the bible is surely not the kjv that i know for sure AND NONE OF THE VERSIONS YOU USE ARE MUCH BETTER.

the best translations of the bible are the most jewish the old testament part of the bible is not really an english version of the tanakh but it should be.

-_____-.. I can't do any more dude.. I truly feel like I am talking to a zombie.

And no, I could careless what a partial peterist is; I have not seen that title in the Bible. I am a follower of Christ and His Word. I don't need to take on any other doctrines or labels or beliefs or anything that twists the words of the Bible. I have the Word before me along with a New Strong's Exhaustive Concordance that translates it back to the original Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) languages.

 

[zombie]

Bro, have you read Matthews 24? You say it isn't about the end of times, but have you not directly quoted it a few posts ago saying "no one knows the hour or time of His return" which is in Matthew 24?

the literal translation of jeremiah17:4 is the better one

and thou hast let go -- even through thyself, Of thine inheritance that I gave to thee, And I have caused thee to serve thine enemies, In a land that thou hast not known, For a fire ye have kindled in Mine anger, Unto the age it doth burn.

Thats what happens when you see a contradiction. you run to another translation. if the bible is the word of god then shouldnt it be perfect in all languages especially if our eternal fate is supposidly based on this book?

there is no contradiction and it says the same thing in all versions, words are symbols that convey ideas and messages when your culture lacks certain ideas sometimes a word that is closest to what the original word is believed to be trying to convey is used. but the intent of the original message does not change. in english for example there is a different conotation given when you say something is big vs saying something is humongous.

or the difference between paradise and heaven people often get them confused

and your eternal fate is not tied to the bible it's tired to what's in your heart.

This is a LIE.

I'm extending my hand, fam. the KING JAMES VERSION of the Bible is the BEST translation we have. Many other translations distort various verses to confuse people. Sometimes they will innocently change the words to make it easier to understand but too often have I found that they actually changed a whole idea! It's blasphemy!

Example...

Jeremiah 14:2

King James Version

Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

New King James Version

“Judah mourns, And her gates languish; They mourn for the land, And the cry of Jerusalem has gone up.

^^^Where did they get this???

American Standard Version

2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they sit in black upon the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up

^^^Why do they keep changing this part?????

Good News Translation

2 “Judah is in mourning;

its cities are dying,

its people lie on the ground in sorrow,

and Jerusalem cries out for help

OK THIS IS GETTING JUST DOWNRIGHT SILLY.

Now if you understand how to use a concordance, you will be able to translate words of the ORIGINAL KING JAMES VERSION back to their HEBREW and GREEK MEANING IN THEIR SPECIFIC CONTEXT. The word BLACK in this verse in Hebrew is

qâdar - to be ashy, i.e. dark colored; by implication, to mourn

The ground is different shades of brown and the further you go down into Earth, the DARKER it gets until it is fully BLACK. You have a certain scattered and battered group of people in this world that resemble the color of the ground and it's different shades, from damn near BLACK to a very light brown, that have been cut off from their heritage just as the Bible prophesied they would be, whose hair is takes the liking of WOOL as Jesus Christ's did. JUDAH, the same tribe Jesus Christ comes from!

...Do you see what's going on here?

It's clear that the translations after the King James version don't want the people of Judah (nor any of the other 11 Israelite tribes) to know who they are! But it's clear when you read through the Bible who the real Jews are!

what i was trying to explain is that the OVERALL message is the same not the exact wording. The best version of the bible is surely not the kjv that i know for sure AND NONE OF THE VERSIONS YOU USE ARE MUCH BETTER.

the best translations of the bible are the most jewish the old testament part of the bible is not really an english version of the tanakh but it should be.

-_____-.. I can't do any more dude.. I truly feel like I am talking to a zombie.

And no, I could careless what a partial peterist is; I have not seen that title in the Bible. I am a follower of Christ and His Word. I don't need to take on any other doctrines or labels or beliefs or anything that twists the words of the Bible. I have the Word before me along with a New Strong's Exhaustive Concordance that translates it back to the original Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) languages.

you can believe what you want and i'm not following any other doctrine partial peterist simply believe that a large percentage of the prophecy has already been fulfilled nothing more. Every christian GROUP swears they know the full truth about everything in the bible AND that is our main problem. If you cannot respect my understanding of scripture then do not debate with me you sound just as ignorant as a atheist to me

 

[beenwize]

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

A LIE! If you kept reading you would know that this prophecy has not been fulfilled at all. The Bible states that when Israel is restored it will be PEACE. Has it been peace in Israel since 1948?

Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

The nation of Israel has to be in existence for the end-times to take place. When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. nearly 1900 years past since the existence of the nation of Israel. But as Isaiah said the nation of Israel would be born again in 1 day. Thus the parable of the Fig tree has come to life in our generation. Just FYI, the fig tree represents Israel.

"And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." Luke 21:29-33

The fig tree is here, thus we can discern the "times and the seasons" in which we live in. Amen and Amen.

If the nation of Israel is a people then the nation of Israel would already be in existence for the end times. You don't understand scripture. According to the BIble there is a Israel and there is a false Israel. Do you now that?

Who are the Jews in these scriptures today?

Revelation 2:9

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

anybody got some more certified prophecies that we can checc

ISRAEL TO BECOME A NATION IN ONE DAY

PROPHECY: "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

FULFILLMENT: We've all heard the expression, Rome wasn't built in a day yet this verse, while confessing the absurdity of a nation being formed in one day, promises that Israel would again become a nation. The passage in Isaiah leaves no room for doubt as to what this prophecy indicates. It specifically compares Israel (Zion) to a woman in labor and clearly states the nation's rebirth will occur within a day. As promised, Israel did indeed become a united, sovereign nation for the first time since the days of King Solomon in just one day: May 15, 1948.

Throughout history, it has never been known for a people to have been dispersed for millenniums and to later become united with their culture, religion, and language intact.

A LIE! If you kept reading you would know that this prophecy has not been fulfilled at all. The Bible states that when Israel is restored it will be PEACE. Has it been peace in Israel since 1948?

Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

The nation of Israel has to be in existence for the end-times to take place. When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. nearly 1900 years past since the existence of the nation of Israel. But as Isaiah said the nation of Israel would be born again in 1 day. Thus the parable of the Fig tree has come to life in our generation. Just FYI, the fig tree represents Israel.

"And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." Luke 21:29-33

The fig tree is here, thus we can discern the "times and the seasons" in which we live in. Amen and Amen.

If the nation of Israel is a people then the nation of Israel would already be in existence for the end times. You don't understand scripture. According to the BIble there is a Israel and there is a false Israel. Do you now that?

Revelation 2:9

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jews are a people, Israel is a nation. Wrong interpretation. You need the Holy Spirit to teach you my friend. Understanding only comes from Him. Amen.