Tell the truth: Do you think Southern rappers and fans are dumber than you?

[musicology1985]

The Midwest will maintain it's position as the neutral sector of U.S. Hip Hop & Rap. Much respect to the South, North East & West...Peace.

 

[son of 1973]

Our MC's date back to Flint, Michigan's MC Breed. Twista and Common were next up, then Bone as far as nationwide exposure.

i heard of common breed and twista around the same time (91) but it aint nothin homie. ez

 

[soul rattler]

Bullshit for the fourth time. In the Midwest we don't cry, we play our position and wait for our time; which is now. When Detroit's Lion Big Meech faced down Brooklyn's Wolf Anthony Jones? Guess who died? Afterwards we slid right in under the Emperor Diddy in a smooth position. Now it's time for us to do it at the forefront while putting on all coasts because they all helped us.

Now I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[soul rattler]

i dont owe you an answer so fall back with that aggressive bullshit.

Uh oh lmao

The Midwest will maintain it's position as the neutral sector of U.S. Hip Hop & Rap. Much respect to the South, North East & West...Peace.

Who the hell are you? The ambassador for the Midwest? No so stop speaking like we elected you to speak for the entire region. Midwest artists barely collaborate with each other anyway.

 

[musicology1985]

Uh oh lmao
Who the hell are you? The ambassador for the Midwest? No so stop speaking like we elected you to speak for the entire region. Midwest artists barely collaborate with each other anyway.

@son of 1973

My apologies for coming off that way. Just wanted to let the people know who put it on the map.

Now, as far as Soul Rattler, I used that example to show that we have never bowed down to anyone in rap but we respect all, especially the originators. Your view does not represent the fact. Common always gave respect to the East and collaborated with them and Detroit artists and when the conflict with the West's Cube arose; He handled it. Detroit did the same thing with the South's Trick Daddy and the East's Styles P. We have always risen to the occasion and even though the Chicago Vs. Detroit & Cleveland rivalry did and to some degree does exist, the collaboration is growing and the pieces have and are being put into place.

This is why I say that it's good that Kanye is in the top spot and not you. He's found success with himself, Twista, Malik Yusef, Lupe, GLC and Common in Chicago, John Legend from Springfield, Ohio and Cudi from Cleveland Ohio, Slum Village of Detroit & a continuing buzz for Detroit's Big Sean. Cats like you don't notice it because he's not screaming it out all of time like other regions do. We never been that way because it's about music. EM has done the same with Detroit's D12, Obie, Trick Trick, Royce & Chicago's Cashis.

The inter-workings are there. Whether you like it or not.

 

[musicology1985]

Now, because we're in the center of it all and we've found support from everyone and we like all of Hip Hop, it comes out in our interaction. Without Compton, there would be no Bone Thugs. Without Atlanta, there would be no Brat or Bow Wow (even though Midwesterner's helped build Atlanta to what it is today since 1989.)

Kansas City's Tech 9ne has always enjoyed heavy support from the entire west and Em wouldn't be where he is today without Dr. Dre. Doe or Die made it because of Houston's Rap-A-Lot. We are a diverse group of individuals and everybody helped us when we couldn't help ourselves and now we are returning the favor. The fact that Freddie Gibbs & Micheal Jackson are from the same city proves that diversity.

Use to shop for em' now a nigga given out deals

-Jim Jones

 

[mattee c]

Our MC's date back to Flint, Michigan's MC Breed. Twista and Common were next up, then Bone as far as nationwide exposure.

No offense homie, but how can you talk about Flint, Michigan and not mention the Dayton Family and Jake the Flake? I agree Breed (R.I.P.) should always be mentioned first when speakin on Michigan rappers, but Bootleg and Shoestring (and occaisionally Ghetto E) put Flint on the map. And I almost forgot about Top Authority. Something To Blaze To is a classic. Plus, love 'em or hate 'em, when talkin about Michigan you've also gotta mention the Insane Clown Posse and Esham. I'm not a huge ICP fan, but you can't knock their hustle.

 

[mattee c]

I'm from the heart of the Dirty South, born and raised. And I'll represent and support the South until I'm 6 feet under. However, that being said, I can completely understand where someone who's not familiar with Southern rap, would come to the conclusion that Southern people are stupid based off of what they currently hear on the radio (Gucci, Wacka Flocka, Soulja Boy, Wayne, etc.). I don't get too mad anymore because 9 times outta 10, the person talkin shit is some kid who's never listened to UGK, Geto Boys / Scarface, Outkast, Pastor Troy, Eightball & MJG, Tela, Three 6 Mafia (original 6 member line-up), Crime Boss, Blac Monks, Haystak, Kingpin Skinny Pimp, etc., real Southern shit. And I remember what it was like to be 15-16 years old - I was way more inclined to listen to party tracks and bass music than I am now. I appreciate what 2 Live Crew did for the South, but at 32 years old, I don't find myself bumpin "Me So Horny" out the whip too often. I think there's several factors that play into what music we like and relate to, such as economic status, age, occaisionally race, sex, geographic location, etc. I guess you could even say sexual preference, but why a gay person would listen to 99.9% of rap music is beyond me, but to each his (or her) own. I don't see why it's so complicated to realize why a rap fan from the South is not gonna appreciate or relate to a NY rapper who only raps about spraypainting, ridin the subway, takin a taxi, etc. Because unless they've been to, or lived in, NYC, they haven't experienced those things. Just like folks from NY can't relate to ridin candy-painted 80's model Cadillac's on 25" rims, shooting shotguns in the woods behind your house, herding cattle, fighting for the Confederacy, j/k. But y'all get the point. I think the more intellectual and well-travelled Southern M.C.'s, like Scarface and Bun B, have a broader appeal because they tend to deal primarily with universal themes (mainly "the struggle") that effect everyone, at least in America anyway. They haven't forgot where they came from, but they understand the need to listen to other genres of music and listen to other people's opinions or you will never develop any sort of intelligence. Bun B just started teaching a college course on religion. Not exactly a job that anyone would've hired a stupid man to do. I don't care where you're from, if you never leave your block, your mind will never expand any further than the nonsense you witness in your neighborhood.

Sorry to jock myself by reposting my own quote, but this post has gotten way off topic. Most of y'all had some good points, but it was turning into another bullshit "this region's better than that one" thread. I'm still curious to hear people's perceptions, or even assumptions, regarding the South and its music.

 

[soul rattler]

@son of 1973

My apologies for coming off that way. Just wanted to let the people know who put it on the map.

Now, as far as Soul Rattler, I used that example to show that we have never bowed down to anyone in rap but we respect all, especially the originators. Your view does not represent the fact. Common always gave respect to the East and collaborated with them and Detroit artists and when the conflict with the West's Cube arose; He handled it. Detroit did the same thing with the South's Trick Daddy and the East's Styles P. We have always risen to the occasion and even though the Chicago Vs. Detroit & Cleveland rivalry did and to some degree does exist, the collaboration is growing and the pieces have and are being put into place.

This is why I say that it's good that Kanye is in the top spot and not you. He's found success with himself, Twista, Malik Yusef, Lupe, GLC and Common in Chicago, John Legend from Springfield, Ohio and Cudi from Cleveland Ohio, Slum Village of Detroit & a continuing buzz for Detroit's Big Sean. Cats like you don't notice it because he's not screaming it out all of time like other regions do. We never been that way because it's about music. EM has done the same with Detroit's D12, Obie, Trick Trick, Royce & Chicago's Cashis.

The inter-workings are there. Whether you like it or not.

You're not listening to me. New York had a movement. California had a movement. The South, Texas, Atlanta, Louisiana, etc. and collectively had movements. The Midwest has never had a movement because we aren't united like that. Sure, we all rep where we're from, but it's not a "Midwest" thing and you know it. The only effort at a Midwest movement was between Twista and Bone Thugs... anything else was just two artists collaborating.

 

[soul rattler]

Sorry to jock myself by reposting my own quote, but this post has gotten way off topic. Most of y'all had some good points, but it was turning into another bullshit "this region's better than that one" thread. I'm still curious to hear people's perceptions, or even assumptions, regarding the South and its music.

Yeah that's what this thread was about. People have either:

a. Said they think Southerners are dumb

b. Said they don't think Southerners are dumb

c. Tried to give a bullshit politically correct answer by beating around the bush in order to make this thread about New York

 

[musicology1985]

Yeah that's what this thread was about. People have either:
c. Tried to give a bullshit politically correct answer by beating around the bush in order to make this thread about New York

Nothing that I said was false and you know it. We've always been neutral. The south EAST has released more bullshit than any other region due to ATL & FLA IMO, but other than that the quality is good to great, even in those cities that I mentioned.

 

[soul rattler]

Nothing that I said was false and you know it. We've always been neutral. The south EAST has released more bullshit than any other region due to ATL & FLA IMO, but other than that the quality is good to great, even in those cities that I mentioned.

Everything you've said has been false. You keep trying to romanticize and fantasize Hip Hop and your ideas are unrealistic. Right now you're trying to split hairs by saying "Southeast". Atlanta and especially Florida are on the East, and they haven't put out anything worse than what New York was doing at the onstart of rap music: which is have fun and party.

 

[musicology1985]

You're not listening to me. New York had a movement. California had a movement. The South, Texas, Atlanta, Louisiana, etc. and collectively had movements. The Midwest has never had a movement because we aren't untied like that. Sure, we all rep where we're from, but it's not a "Midwest" thing and you know it. The only effort at a Midwest movement was between Twista and Bone Thugs... anything else was just two artists collaborating.

You said we don't collaborate. I proved that wrong. The Great Lakes labels of GOOD and Shady have been leading this region since 1999 & 2004. I agree that it's not on a grassroots level, but that is because no labels are based here, they just sign artists mainly from here. Now, that hasn't reached the whole Midwest because we all don't have the same direction. Kansas City & St. Louis are not to connected to the Great Lakes in style in many ways. However, the system has worked in our favor because the quality has been high.

I've talked to Chicagoans myself who would rather have it this way than tryna push a movement that would more than likely equal quantity over quality SO THAT A LOT OF GUYS CAN GET ON AND PUSH SUB-PAR MUSIC JUST TO SAY HE'S FROM HERE. The same applies to Detroit, most cats ain't up to par in the indie scene but those that are get recognition worldwide.

 

[musicology1985]

Everything you've said has been false. You keep trying to romanticize and fantasize Hip Hop and your ideas are unrealistic. Right now you're trying to split hairs by saying "Southeast". Atlanta and especially Florida are on the East, and they haven't put out anything worse than what New York was doing at the onstart of rap music: which is have fun and party.

I have not said anything false. Even many people that live in the south didn't like a lot of the stuff that came out of ATL & FLA. Y'all asked our opinion and I gave it. But I also know that right here in the Midwest we have those same type of artists and I don't like that shit either, only difference is, they are not pushed to the forefront here. If they were, we would catch heat too. Kanye and Marshall don't want to go that route.

 

[soul rattler]

You said we don't collaborate. I proved that wrong.

No... maybe if you read my post instead of glossing over it, you would've read where I said:

Midwest artists barely collaborate with each other anyway.

I have not said anything false. Even many people that live in the south didn't like a lot of the stuff that came out of ATL & FLA. Y'all asked our opinion and I gave it. But I also know that right here in the Midwest we have those same type of artists and I don't like that shit either, only difference is, they are not pushed to the forefront here. If they were, we would catch heat too. Kanye and Marshall don't want to go that route.

I didn't ask your opinion first of all, I asked if you think Southerners are dumber than you, and you still haven't answered that question. You just came in babbling out "pops this pops that". I don't know about Em and Detroit (nor do I really care), but Kanye doesn't do shit for Chicago Hip Hop and the average Chicago native on the Southside or Westside doesn't give a fuck about Kanye. When you hear him slip something into his rhymes about "running" Chicago, know that he's lying his ass off. MOST Chicago niggas don't want to hear conscious music. I know because I hear them say it everyday.

I think you're talkin crazy like this because the wackest rapper to come out the Midwest came from Detroit: Bizarre. That nigga is ass.

 

[musicology1985]

The South Central (Houston & New Orleans) as well as the South East (Atlanta) pushed it's critically acclaimed acts to the forefront in the 90's. Afterwards it became mainly about the radio format and clubs and Houston has been hurt because of this. It's the same in the Midwest, St. Louis would dominated the radio & the club but Chicago would suffer severely if our region followed the same model. Mix it up and keep it diverse.

 

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[soul rattler]

The South Central (Houston & New Orleans) as well as the South East (Atlanta) pushed it's critically acclaimed acts to the forefront in the 90's. Afterwards it became mainly about the radio format and clubs and Houston has been hurt because of this. It's the same in the Midwest, St. Louis would dominated the radio & the club but Chicago would suffer severely if our region followed the same model. Mix it up and keep it diverse.

Now you're ignoring my other post because I called you out on your bullshit? smh and if you want to get geographic with it, Texas is a part of the Midwest.

 

[musicology1985]

Kanye doesn't do shit for Chicago Hip Hop and the average Chicago native on the Southside or Westside doesn't give a fuck about Kanye. When you hear him slip something into his rhymes about "running" Chicago, know that he's lying his ass off. MOST Chicago niggas don't want to hear conscious music. I know because I hear them say it everyday.

I think you're talkin crazy like this because the wackest rapper to come out the Midwest came from Detroit: Bizarre. That nigga is ass.

Ol' dude asked about people's perceptions of the South's music and the fact of the matter is that it is the same everywhere. However, it's all about what's pushed, not intelligence. The disconnect that Chicago has with Kanye is the same one that Em has with Detroit, but I would never say that ICP or Bizarre are dope. Regardless of the criticism you & most others throw at Ye, he's done an awesome job. Em gets props from me too.

It's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

[musicology1985]

Now you're ignoring my other post because I called you out on your bullshit? smh and if you want to get geographic with it, Texas is a part of the Midwest.

What bullshit? Texas is in the South Central just like OK, ARK, LA