Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People

[The Lonious Monk]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

No one in this topic has denied that black women have unique issues that need to be addressed. The general sentiment here is that most dudes don't like being treated as the source for all of those issues.

I guess you could argue that the reaction of some black men when black women voice those issues is similar to the reaction of some whites when blacks voice racial issues. That probably isn't completely off the mark.

 

[Ajackson17]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

No one in this topic has denied that black women have unique issues that need to be addressed. The general sentiment here is that most dudes don't like being treated as the source for all of those issues.



I guess you could argue that the reaction of some black men when black women voice those issues is similar to the reaction of some whites when blacks voice racial issues. That probably isn't completely off the mark.

That's really all I'm saying, but I have seen some cats try to dismiss that black men and women have separate issues. We know Europeans aren't trying to fix within themselves and black men are definitely not the source, but have definitely perpetuate out of ignorance misogyny and other ills. But criticism is good and when we have criticism for women let's not act they aren't listening, but when the foot is on the other foot our listening goes elsewhere. Even if we don't agree it's important to at least give it some deep thought within reason and I think our sisters brought up a lot of good points.

The main issue is that we are mostly live around black people so our first act of negativity from the opposite sex is most likely a Black person, so that would usually traumatize us the most, but if we live in a white or asian or indian neighborhood it would be those people who given us that first traumatic experience.

 

[5th Letter]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

 

[Ajackson17]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

That's why I use attitude of dismissiveness of white people. We are too effected by the psychology of the larger population, that is apart of being an American sadly. The reason they said straight black men are the white people of black people is primarily is that SBM are taken serious more than any other group. Their perceived to be leaders and we forget all on-going contributions that black women have done as well. But this is also not because of black men, but the dominant society, but we should put them on the forefront if they are putting in the heavy workload. So that's a responsibility on our end. I don't see it as an attack, but merely a wake up call. Sometimes stretching choice of words are way to wake up people. Of course we are not the equivalent of white people or even close to it, but there is some strange resemblances that need to be nipped in the bud so we can elevate higher as a people.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

That's why I use attitude of dismissiveness of white people. We are too effected by the psychology of the larger population, that is apart of being an American sadly. The reason they said straight black men are the white people of black people is primarily is that SBM are taken serious more than any other group. Their perceived to be leaders and we forget all on-going contributions that black women have done as well. But this is also not because of black men, but the dominant society, but we should put them on the forefront if they are putting in the heavy workload. So that's a responsibility on our end. I don't see it as an attack, but merely a wake up call. Sometimes stretching choice of words are way to wake up people. Of course we are not the equivalent of white people or even close to it, but there is some strange resemblances that need to be nipped in the bud so we can elevate higher as a people.

But the bold isn't true. It may have been historically, but nowadays you can't just say that a SBM is given more credibility or has more influence than a black woman.

 

[5th Letter]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

That's why I use attitude of dismissiveness of white people. We are too effected by the psychology of the larger population, that is apart of being an American sadly. The reason they said straight black men are the white people of black people is primarily is that SBM are taken serious more than any other group. Their perceived to be leaders and we forget all on-going contributions that black women have done as well. But this is also not because of black men, but the dominant society, but we should put them on the forefront if they are putting in the heavy workload. So that's a responsibility on our end. I don't see it as an attack, but merely a wake up call. Sometimes stretching choice of words are way to wake up people. Of course we are not the equivalent of white people or even close to it, but there is some strange resemblances that need to be nipped in the bud so we can elevate higher as a people.

But it is an attack you can't claim to want to give straight black men a wake up call and then use white supremacists talking points that won't go over well. That's like if a black woman wrote an article chastising black women by using white supremacist talking points, black women are not going to like it and they will feel attacked and offended.

The bold is a massive reach. Black men might be the most hated group of men among every group, even a subset of our own people hate black men.

 

[Ajackson17]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

That's why I use attitude of dismissiveness of white people. We are too effected by the psychology of the larger population, that is apart of being an American sadly. The reason they said straight black men are the white people of black people is primarily is that SBM are taken serious more than any other group. Their perceived to be leaders and we forget all on-going contributions that black women have done as well. But this is also not because of black men, but the dominant society, but we should put them on the forefront if they are putting in the heavy workload. So that's a responsibility on our end. I don't see it as an attack, but merely a wake up call. Sometimes stretching choice of words are way to wake up people. Of course we are not the equivalent of white people or even close to it, but there is some strange resemblances that need to be nipped in the bud so we can elevate higher as a people.

But it is an attack you can't claim to want to give straight black men a wake up call and then use white supremacists talking points that won't go over well. That's like if a black woman wrote an article chastising black women by using white supremacist talking points, black women are not going to like it and they will feel attacked and offended.

The bold is a massive reach. Black men might be the most hated group of men among every group, even a subset of our own people hate black men.

I see it as more of frustration, but I can definitely feel why you would feel that way. But it does open up a discussion though and within that discussion that black men and women have to come to a compromise of some sorts. I hold no hatred for black men, but a lot of women are tired of black men, but this is also due to miscommunication but the biggest piece to any of this is reevaluation of what black culture truly is and how do we see the world. Right now it's not the same.

 

[Ajackson17]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

That's why I use attitude of dismissiveness of white people. We are too effected by the psychology of the larger population, that is apart of being an American sadly. The reason they said straight black men are the white people of black people is primarily is that SBM are taken serious more than any other group. Their perceived to be leaders and we forget all on-going contributions that black women have done as well. But this is also not because of black men, but the dominant society, but we should put them on the forefront if they are putting in the heavy workload. So that's a responsibility on our end. I don't see it as an attack, but merely a wake up call. Sometimes stretching choice of words are way to wake up people. Of course we are not the equivalent of white people or even close to it, but there is some strange resemblances that need to be nipped in the bud so we can elevate higher as a people.

But the bold isn't true. It may have been historically, but nowadays you can't just say that a SBM is given more credibility or has more influence than a black woman.

Do I think as much as in the past, but I wouldn't even say that is far fetched of an idea that SBM do hold or seem more credible than black women who are at the same level or above or even slightly lower. But this article seems that it is getting it's voices from black women.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

That's why I use attitude of dismissiveness of white people. We are too effected by the psychology of the larger population, that is apart of being an American sadly. The reason they said straight black men are the white people of black people is primarily is that SBM are taken serious more than any other group. Their perceived to be leaders and we forget all on-going contributions that black women have done as well. But this is also not because of black men, but the dominant society, but we should put them on the forefront if they are putting in the heavy workload. So that's a responsibility on our end. I don't see it as an attack, but merely a wake up call. Sometimes stretching choice of words are way to wake up people. Of course we are not the equivalent of white people or even close to it, but there is some strange resemblances that need to be nipped in the bud so we can elevate higher as a people.

But it is an attack you can't claim to want to give straight black men a wake up call and then use white supremacists talking points that won't go over well. That's like if a black woman wrote an article chastising black women by using white supremacist talking points, black women are not going to like it and they will feel attacked and offended.

The bold is a massive reach. Black men might be the most hated group of men among every group, even a subset of our own people hate black men.

I see it as more of frustration, but I can definitely feel why you would feel that way. But it does open up a discussion though and within that discussion that black men and women have to come to a compromise of some sorts. I hold no hatred for black men, but a lot of women are tired of black men, but this is also due to miscommunication but the biggest piece to any of this is reevaluation of what black culture truly is and how do we see the world. Right now it's not the same.

You are over thinking this shit bruh. Black men and black women do have to learn to talk to and listen to each other and throw off the brainwashing that's been put on us to divide us. But there is no rationalization that can excuse the poor form of that article.

Do I think as much as in the past, but I wouldn't even say that is far fetched of an idea that SBM do hold or seem more credible than black women who are at the same level or above or even slightly lower. But this article seems that it is getting it's voices from black women.

Yeah, it is pretty far fetched. I see no evidence that if you took an average black man and an average black woman that people would automatically listen to the black man first. With the way black men are painted in this country, I'd probably more readily believe people would listen to the black woman first. More than likely both would be dismissed though.

 

[Ajackson17]

I think it's the attitudes that black males have, it's not the actual institutions and power structure that Europeans have. But it's the downloading of their behavior.

Expound

Well, I kinda expounded in my previous post, but the fact is that if a black woman or women have an valid concern within our people, it would be overlooked as Europeans would overlook a very valid concern such as police brutality. Like All Lives Matter, we'll attack any Black Womanist concerns and say this has nothing to do with sex/gender but Black Issues. If that makes sense, I'm basically saying that Black women are Black women and Black People are apart of the Human race, but we have our own issues that need to be addressed and Black women have separate issues that need to be addressed for Black women, because we as men never experienced being a woman, so we would have to conclude that they have issues that is specifically for them to be addressed. Even as black men we have separate issues, but as a collective we have a lot of the same issues, but it's these specific issues that need to be dealt with. A nerd and a jock have similar issues, but they have very specific issues that need to be addressed.

Apart of the reason why many straight black men are offended by the article is because it comes off as an attack. It spews a lot of the same racist talking points that white supremacists use against black men, it's one big generalization of black men which isn't true. So if we won't accept it from white supremacists are we to accept it from black people that spew it? Other groups gets treated as individuals and the actions of one doesn't represent all, but for example, with black people if a black man beats on a black woman his actions are representative of all black men, and that isn't fair.

Black women definitely have specific needs/concerns that are unique to them. They deal with sexism and racism. And black men will never understand that. I can agree that we as black men should be more empathetic to black womens needs and concerns, there is definitely room for improvement in terms of our treatment of black women, but a lot of these issues won't go away unfortunately, the best we can do is talk to our boys and teach them respect. And for those who harm black women, most times than not a black man will get punished.

And lastly. If black men are the white people of black society then point to me the system where institutionally black men, mass incarcerate black women, deny black women jobs, loans, show me the Jim Crow equivalent where we segregate black women, show me where we enslave black women? The idea is based mostly on name calling, and that's not comparative to systemic white supremacy and racism.

That's why I use attitude of dismissiveness of white people. We are too effected by the psychology of the larger population, that is apart of being an American sadly. The reason they said straight black men are the white people of black people is primarily is that SBM are taken serious more than any other group. Their perceived to be leaders and we forget all on-going contributions that black women have done as well. But this is also not because of black men, but the dominant society, but we should put them on the forefront if they are putting in the heavy workload. So that's a responsibility on our end. I don't see it as an attack, but merely a wake up call. Sometimes stretching choice of words are way to wake up people. Of course we are not the equivalent of white people or even close to it, but there is some strange resemblances that need to be nipped in the bud so we can elevate higher as a people.

But it is an attack you can't claim to want to give straight black men a wake up call and then use white supremacists talking points that won't go over well. That's like if a black woman wrote an article chastising black women by using white supremacist talking points, black women are not going to like it and they will feel attacked and offended.

The bold is a massive reach. Black men might be the most hated group of men among every group, even a subset of our own people hate black men.

I see it as more of frustration, but I can definitely feel why you would feel that way. But it does open up a discussion though and within that discussion that black men and women have to come to a compromise of some sorts. I hold no hatred for black men, but a lot of women are tired of black men, but this is also due to miscommunication but the biggest piece to any of this is reevaluation of what black culture truly is and how do we see the world. Right now it's not the same.

You are over thinking this shit bruh. Black men and black women do have to learn to talk to and listen to each other and throw off the brainwashing that's been put on us to divide us. But there is no rationalization that can excuse the poor form of that article.

Do I think as much as in the past, but I wouldn't even say that is far fetched of an idea that SBM do hold or seem more credible than black women who are at the same level or above or even slightly lower. But this article seems that it is getting it's voices from black women.

Yeah, it is pretty far fetched. I see no evidence that if you took an average black man and an average black woman that people would automatically listen to the black man first. With the way black men are painted in this country, I'd probably more readily believe people would listen to the black woman first. More than likely both would be dismissed though.

I been thinking about this for a long time and observing for a while black men and women relationships. But his comments are not uniquely new to me.

But then again we are not black women and from that viewpoint we are talking about the dominant society, its still widely patriarchal in a lot of respects even if there has been advances.

 

[gorilla]

The reason the article title is worded the way it is is because they are in overdrive trying to emsculate and villianize the black man. And this type of bullshit in this opion piece is usually bought into by bitter sistas. Like someone else said there is a whole industry built around telling a certain segment of black women what they wanna hear.

 

[Ajackson17]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...black-men-are-the_us_59c630ede4b0f2df5e83ae88

“We all we got,” was the refrain and it has come to mean that our internal critiques from which we are disallowed must be met with swift and venomous retort, else all the work we’ve done to pretend we are well in order to prevail will become undone. The responses read like a parody themselves. It has been surreal. Every response could’ve easily been scripted for a White person to say in response to being accused a racist. When I read them, I recited the internal dialogues Black women have been having for years that halts us from ever addressing Black men about their shortcomings:

You have to be gentle when talking to Black men or they’ll be offended. You mean like White people?

They take offense to being called sexist, ignoring the basis for the assertion altogether. (Replace “sexist” with “racist.”) You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s divisive. You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s not all of them and that you must insert the word “some.” You mean like White people?

They’ll get angry and throw insults demeaning your intellect and credibility. You mean like White people?

They’ll list anecdotal examples of their positive interactions with you. You mean like White people?

They’ll patronize you with insincere praise, all the while defending their own honor and never taking accountability. You mean like White people?

They’ll list their own trials and oppression as proof that they couldn’t possibly oppress another. You mean like White people?

They will not listen. They can’t take accountability because that would cast them in a poor light. Their reputation is more paramount than your safety. You mean like White people?

They don’t see gender within our race. The’ll say we are one (race) or “we’re all we got.” You mean like White people?

They cannot denounce the throne of male privilege, so they deny it exists. : (Replace “male” with “White.”) You mean like...

I, as a Black woman, must fight the world all day long. It attacks my humanity, intellect, appearance, worthiness. It espouses misogyny, brute force, and bigotry. It condemns my very existence and questions my value before determining it for itself. It threatens me with public reprimand and hindrances if I am not docile and silent. But, when I’m home in the presence of Black men and women, I need to feel safe, understood, heard.

The only necessary and correct response to a Black woman’s lamentations is to listen. It is not to dismiss or find offense. It is not to center your own feelings and plight. It is not to rebut, refute, or refuse to accept. It is to hear her, make amends, and help her move through the pain. Whether you agree or not, recognize these concerns or not, experience these same grievances or not, are a woman yourself or not, this is the modus operandi. I have learned from this exchange that Black women are all we got, save a selection of Black men we can depend on as allies. (I’m so thankful my partner is my ally and is not above introspection and criticism; that he recognizes and maximizes his minimal privilege for my benefit and that of other Black women.) But, just like with White people, Black women must wear a guard of protection when encountering Black men until they prove themselves to be a safe place.

 

[Ajackson17]

Great read.

 

[LordZuko]

Black women don't face any intraracial issues that they havent brought upon by their own actions or code of conduct.

Black women always want Black men to bear the blame for their problems while they never consider they are the architects of their personal hells.

Black women time and time again have stated that they don't owe black men anything. They have no obligation to us. The inverse is in effect as well. We have no obligation to them either.

Some nigga somewhere catcalling some black woman on the street is not a WE issue, it is a YOU problem. I don't know him and I don't know you, so either get a restraining order, get some men that do care about you, or carry some pepper spray. But I'm not about to get into random altercations with niggas on your behalf , putting my life and freedom on the line for someone who says I'm not even entitled to a smile. But they're entitled to my intervention?

Black females do not have one single issue that effects them that is caused by an institution or network of Black men. Anywhere. Full. Fuckin. Stop.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

You have to be gentle when talking to Black men or they’ll be offended. You mean like White people?

They take offense to being called sexist, ignoring the basis for the assertion altogether. (Replace “sexist” with “racist.”) You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s divisive. You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s not all of them and that you must insert the word “some.” You mean like White people?

They’ll get angry and throw insults demeaning your intellect and credibility. You mean like White people?

They’ll list anecdotal examples of their positive interactions with you. You mean like White people?

They’ll patronize you with insincere praise, all the while defending their own honor and never taking accountability. You mean like White people?

They’ll list their own trials and oppression as proof that they couldn’t possibly oppress another. You mean like White people?

They will not listen. They can’t take accountability because that would cast them in a poor light. Their reputation is more paramount than your safety. You mean like White people?

They don’t see gender within our race. The’ll say we are one (race) or “we’re all we got.” You mean like White people?

They cannot denounce the throne of male privilege, so they deny it exists. : (Replace “male” with “White.”) You mean like...

This part was hilarious to me. So you don't have to watch your words without black women to avoid offending them? When you make generalizations about black women, they don't point out that it's not all black women? Black women don't use anecdotes to make their points? As a matter of fact you could pretty much put any group of people in that, but somehow this chick thinks that's good proof to say that black men are oppressive like white people. Ok...

 

[Ajackson17]

You have to be gentle when talking to Black men or they’ll be offended. You mean like White people?

They take offense to being called sexist, ignoring the basis for the assertion altogether. (Replace “sexist” with “racist.”) You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s divisive. You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s not all of them and that you must insert the word “some.” You mean like White people?

They’ll get angry and throw insults demeaning your intellect and credibility. You mean like White people?

They’ll list anecdotal examples of their positive interactions with you. You mean like White people?

They’ll patronize you with insincere praise, all the while defending their own honor and never taking accountability. You mean like White people?

They’ll list their own trials and oppression as proof that they couldn’t possibly oppress another. You mean like White people?

They will not listen. They can’t take accountability because that would cast them in a poor light. Their reputation is more paramount than your safety. You mean like White people?

They don’t see gender within our race. The’ll say we are one (race) or “we’re all we got.” You mean like White people?

They cannot denounce the throne of male privilege, so they deny it exists. : (Replace “male” with “White.”) You mean like...

This part was hilarious to me. So you don't have to watch your words without black women to avoid offending them? When you make generalizations about black women, they don't point out that it's not all black women? Black women don't use anecdotes to make their points? As a matter of fact you could pretty much put any group of people in that, but somehow this chick thinks that's good proof to say that black men are oppressive like white people. Ok...

Maybe in your experiences, but I never seen black women go to the extent that black men have gone to proliferate the same generalizations. And these statements I have specifically seen from black men except the "Not All" statement. I'm looking at everyone's behavior and well, I think that black women are right on point on this. Black men are really dismissive.

 

[jetlifebih]

You have to be gentle when talking to Black men or they’ll be offended. You mean like White people?

They take offense to being called sexist, ignoring the basis for the assertion altogether. (Replace “sexist” with “racist.”) You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s divisive. You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s not all of them and that you must insert the word “some.” You mean like White people?

They’ll get angry and throw insults demeaning your intellect and credibility. You mean like White people?

They’ll list anecdotal examples of their positive interactions with you. You mean like White people?

They’ll patronize you with insincere praise, all the while defending their own honor and never taking accountability. You mean like White people?

They’ll list their own trials and oppression as proof that they couldn’t possibly oppress another. You mean like White people?

They will not listen. They can’t take accountability because that would cast them in a poor light. Their reputation is more paramount than your safety. You mean like White people?

They don’t see gender within our race. The’ll say we are one (race) or “we’re all we got.” You mean like White people?

They cannot denounce the throne of male privilege, so they deny it exists. : (Replace “male” with “White.”) You mean like...

This part was hilarious to me. So you don't have to watch your words without black women to avoid offending them? When you make generalizations about black women, they don't point out that it's not all black women? Black women don't use anecdotes to make their points? As a matter of fact you could pretty much put any group of people in that, but somehow this chick thinks that's good proof to say that black men are oppressive like white people. Ok...

Maybe in your experiences, but I never seen black women go to the extent that black men have gone to proliferate the same generalizations. And these statements I have specifically seen from black men except the "Not All" statement. I'm looking at everyone's behavior and well, I think that black women are right on point on this. Black men are really dismissive.

People in general are dismissive when being accused of something lol...this isn’t exclusive to black white or other....

Your tone makes it seem as this is exclusive to black men...or black men are more dismissive than black women...I don’t find that to be true

 

[Ajackson17]

You have to be gentle when talking to Black men or they’ll be offended. You mean like White people?

They take offense to being called sexist, ignoring the basis for the assertion altogether. (Replace “sexist” with “racist.”) You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s divisive. You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s not all of them and that you must insert the word “some.” You mean like White people?

They’ll get angry and throw insults demeaning your intellect and credibility. You mean like White people?

They’ll list anecdotal examples of their positive interactions with you. You mean like White people?

They’ll patronize you with insincere praise, all the while defending their own honor and never taking accountability. You mean like White people?

They’ll list their own trials and oppression as proof that they couldn’t possibly oppress another. You mean like White people?

They will not listen. They can’t take accountability because that would cast them in a poor light. Their reputation is more paramount than your safety. You mean like White people?

They don’t see gender within our race. The’ll say we are one (race) or “we’re all we got.” You mean like White people?

They cannot denounce the throne of male privilege, so they deny it exists. : (Replace “male” with “White.”) You mean like...

This part was hilarious to me. So you don't have to watch your words without black women to avoid offending them? When you make generalizations about black women, they don't point out that it's not all black women? Black women don't use anecdotes to make their points? As a matter of fact you could pretty much put any group of people in that, but somehow this chick thinks that's good proof to say that black men are oppressive like white people. Ok...

Maybe in your experiences, but I never seen black women go to the extent that black men have gone to proliferate the same generalizations. And these statements I have specifically seen from black men except the "Not All" statement. I'm looking at everyone's behavior and well, I think that black women are right on point on this. Black men are really dismissive.

People in general are dismissive when being accused of something lol...this isn’t exclusive to black white or other....

Your tone makes it seem as this is exclusive to black men...or black men are more dismissive than black women...I don’t find that to be true

Just my observations. I can tell you no more than that. Not saying black women are benevolent and have the most empathy, but I'm looking from social media, to real life and etc that well black men are more the dismissive side than listening.

 

[jetlifebih]

You have to be gentle when talking to Black men or they’ll be offended. You mean like White people?

They take offense to being called sexist, ignoring the basis for the assertion altogether. (Replace “sexist” with “racist.”) You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s divisive. You mean like White people?

They’ll say it’s not all of them and that you must insert the word “some.” You mean like White people?

They’ll get angry and throw insults demeaning your intellect and credibility. You mean like White people?

They’ll list anecdotal examples of their positive interactions with you. You mean like White people?

They’ll patronize you with insincere praise, all the while defending their own honor and never taking accountability. You mean like White people?

They’ll list their own trials and oppression as proof that they couldn’t possibly oppress another. You mean like White people?

They will not listen. They can’t take accountability because that would cast them in a poor light. Their reputation is more paramount than your safety. You mean like White people?

They don’t see gender within our race. The’ll say we are one (race) or “we’re all we got.” You mean like White people?

They cannot denounce the throne of male privilege, so they deny it exists. : (Replace “male” with “White.”) You mean like...

This part was hilarious to me. So you don't have to watch your words without black women to avoid offending them? When you make generalizations about black women, they don't point out that it's not all black women? Black women don't use anecdotes to make their points? As a matter of fact you could pretty much put any group of people in that, but somehow this chick thinks that's good proof to say that black men are oppressive like white people. Ok...

Maybe in your experiences, but I never seen black women go to the extent that black men have gone to proliferate the same generalizations. And these statements I have specifically seen from black men except the "Not All" statement. I'm looking at everyone's behavior and well, I think that black women are right on point on this. Black men are really dismissive.

People in general are dismissive when being accused of something lol...this isn’t exclusive to black white or other....

Your tone makes it seem as this is exclusive to black men...or black men are more dismissive than black women...I don’t find that to be true

Just my observations. I can tell you no more than that. Not saying black women are benevolent and have the most empathy, but I'm looking from social media, to real life and etc that well black men are more the dismissive side than listening.

I beg to differ

Women will listen to other women’s problems and men will listen to other men’s problems

Both parties have communication issues when it comes to the opposite sex especially in relationships....in fact most people confide in people outside of their relationship because when it comes to being accused most HUMANS don’t take that well not just the brothers ..it isn’t some huge land slide one sided problem...these are human social issues this isn’t exclusive to race or socio economic status....

I’m not negating or denying your experience, maybe the way in which you collected or remembered your experience may be faulty or not representative or similar to or something of the whole populations experience

 

[Ajackson17]

She disagrees good argument.