Some men mistake sexual interest for consent,

The user and all related content has been deleted.

 

[deadeye]

My $0.02

Scenario 1. You're on a date with a chick and you go back to her apartment, or she comes back to your apartment and you start fooling around and then you fuck her. Its possible that there was a misunderstanding about consent. Maybe he thought she wanted it when she didn't or whatever.

Scenario 2. You're wearing a ski mask and you sneak in through the window. You hold the girl at gunpoint and tie her up and fuck her.

In my opinion, scenario 1 shouldn't be considered rape because the guy might have genuinely thought that she consented. There should be an alternate term for scenario 1. Or maybe a guy should get a pass the first time it happens (I just thought of that but it actually makes sense).



The second scenario is clear rape and he should go directly to prison.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Its a fuckn war on men!!!
https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/935867500167942144
https://twitter.com/MigCuervo/status/935871140655968256
https://twitter.com/MigCuervo/status/935871140655968256
https://twitter.com/asitweetthis/status/935908199970082816

This is bull shit

maybe because you can look 10 time better if you smile rather than walking around with the shit face.

and why in the hell ....when in the hell is a compliment not a good thing?

how are you going to make friends if a stranger cant say shit?

or do i have to now work my way up to a compliment?

kinda shit?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

But these hoes turn around and call you lame for not being aggressive enough

Someone calls you lame for actually trying to take the time to see what she likes and is cool with...take it as a red flag and keep it pushing

yes,

cause if you try to see what she likes...the only way is to ask her or try it. then its looked at as lame an he dont know what hes doing.

how many times has a woman said she needs a man to take control only to try to shut him down when he tries so she can feel like shes in control.

thing is women want the control and want what they dont need from someone who they think they want but still end up lonely.

 

[LordZuko]

Its a fuckn war on men!!!
https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/935867500167942144
https://twitter.com/MigCuervo/status/935871140655968256
https://twitter.com/MigCuervo/status/935871140655968256
https://twitter.com/asitweetthis/status/935908199970082816

This is bull shit

maybe because you can look 10 time better if you smile rather than walking around with the shit face.

and why in the hell ....when in the hell is a compliment not a good thing?

how are you going to make friends if a stranger cant say shit?

or do i have to now work my way up to a compliment?

kinda shit?

I told you in the other thread, it's about policing men. It's about presenting everything that isn't strictly approved by women as some sort of pseudo criminal behavior.

You speak to a woman without her permission harassment, give her a compliment, harassment, approach for any reason without explicit permission and you're basically a criminal.

In France they've made "street harassment" a punishable offense

 

[2stepz_ahead]

ok....so what and why are these women dressed like they want the attention ...if they dont want it?

if you got big tits....why wear something low cut with all ya cleavage showing....knowing people will look if you are in an environment with men. or are they wearing it for women to be jealous of they big tits?

im not saying a woman cant wear what she wants but....some shit they know they wearing to look their best an get compliments or stares.

ole look at me but i dont want to see you looking at me ass hoes

 

[The Lonious Monk]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

or if I'm down to just hug up and kiss, times you got men who will pressure u to do more after 2, 3 rebuffs

and based off what other women shared with me it happens a lot...

that said, i don't even think a lot of men are actively trying to do harm...or rather they aren't consciously aware of how intimidating or grating it can be after a while because obviously y'all are rarely on the receiving end, bigger, etc... and its almost expected behavior and has been tolerated up until now...it usually is chalked up to boys beings boys... to youth...etc

agree things are kind of getting muddled....but that's why what is consent is a necessary convo though...and getting to a consensus what is acceptable

We'll never reach a consensus on what's acceptable.

Take the whole "street harassment" bullshit. You got women out there vehemently opposed to a man approaching them for any reason while out and about much less speaking to them. Then you have women that welcome it and are flattered by it and think the chicks that don't like it are just stuck up bitches. You have women that actively seek it out male attention on the street and see all attention as good. Then you have women that don't care one way or another and really wish everyone would just shut up about such a non-issue.

In a scenario like your own, the last time he did it the chick was likely open and receptive, prolly even decided she was gonna fuck before she got to his crib. For her it was a welcome thing, for you it wasn't. Consensus can never be reached because some chicks don't mind it while others do. Same for "unwanted" touching; for some women it's a sign the man is feelin' her and she likes it and for some they look at it as sexual assault.

This is the shit that females don't understand. Niggas ain't mind readers. The only thing we can do are read the signs as best we can. If the shit worked for us the last three times, we have no reason to assume it won't work the forth time. If we're wrong we're wrong, but we're not villains for misreading signals.

Lol

Considering women are not a monolith

Yes ...there is reason to assume it won't work the forth time

Not saying misreading signals is an act of pure evil and should be criminalized regardless of the offense but you arent an innocent or victim either if you get cussed put or reported to HR

No, that's not reason to assume it won't work the fourth time. It's reason not to assume it will work the fourth time. Those are not the same thing. The inability to grasp that nuance is half the problem.

And no if a chick is cussing you out, you're probably not innocent, but we should be able to agree that's probably not what happens in the cases where dudes are accused of something and had no idea they did anything wrong.

 

[Splackavelli]

I hate people especially women.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

or if I'm down to just hug up and kiss, times you got men who will pressure u to do more after 2, 3 rebuffs

and based off what other women shared with me it happens a lot...

that said, i don't even think a lot of men are actively trying to do harm...or rather they aren't consciously aware of how intimidating or grating it can be after a while because obviously y'all are rarely on the receiving end, bigger, etc... and its almost expected behavior and has been tolerated up until now...it usually is chalked up to boys beings boys... to youth...etc

agree things are kind of getting muddled....but that's why what is consent is a necessary convo though...and getting to a consensus what is acceptable

We'll never reach a consensus on what's acceptable.

Take the whole "street harassment" bullshit. You got women out there vehemently opposed to a man approaching them for any reason while out and about much less speaking to them. Then you have women that welcome it and are flattered by it and think the chicks that don't like it are just stuck up bitches. You have women that actively seek it out male attention on the street and see all attention as good. Then you have women that don't care one way or another and really wish everyone would just shut up about such a non-issue.

In a scenario like your own, the last time he did it the chick was likely open and receptive, prolly even decided she was gonna fuck before she got to his crib. For her it was a welcome thing, for you it wasn't. Consensus can never be reached because some chicks don't mind it while others do. Same for "unwanted" touching; for some women it's a sign the man is feelin' her and she likes it and for some they look at it as sexual assault.

This is the shit that females don't understand. Niggas ain't mind readers. The only thing we can do are read the signs as best we can. If the shit worked for us the last three times, we have no reason to assume it won't work the forth time. If we're wrong we're wrong, but we're not villains for misreading signals.

Lol

Considering women are not a monolith

Yes ...there is reason to assume it won't work the forth time

Not saying misreading signals is an act of pure evil and should be criminalized regardless of the offense but you arent an innocent or victim either if you get cussed put or reported to HR

No, that's not reason to assume it won't work the fourth time. It's reason not to assume it will work the fourth time. Those are not the same thing. The inability to grasp that nuance is half the problem.

And no if a chick is cussing you out, you're probably not innocent, but we should be able to agree that's probably not what happens in the cases where dudes are accused of something and had no idea they did anything wrong.

U can't always foresee what will offend or upset a person

Same as I'm sure there is someone out there who actually enjoys being grabbed by strange men

But is it always required you actually act or speak a word(s) before it occurs to you that this word or said action could potentially be offensive

In regards to touching

Is it not conventional wisdom that touching someone is an invasion of someone's personal space and typically reserved for those we are intimate with? wouldnt you agree its a good assumption if you have not established trust with a person they aren't going to want you touching them regardless of whether a previous individual or 2 with whom you had little to no rapport responded positively

Same with referring to a with someone's body, personhood who you barely know

Don't really see it as being all that hard or confusing

I guess when women come to the general consensus that "how's ur day going" " what's your name, if you don't mind me asking" is offensive I could sympathize

 

[2stepz_ahead]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

or if I'm down to just hug up and kiss, times you got men who will pressure u to do more after 2, 3 rebuffs

and based off what other women shared with me it happens a lot...

that said, i don't even think a lot of men are actively trying to do harm...or rather they aren't consciously aware of how intimidating or grating it can be after a while because obviously y'all are rarely on the receiving end, bigger, etc... and its almost expected behavior and has been tolerated up until now...it usually is chalked up to boys beings boys... to youth...etc

agree things are kind of getting muddled....but that's why what is consent is a necessary convo though...and getting to a consensus what is acceptable

We'll never reach a consensus on what's acceptable.

Take the whole "street harassment" bullshit. You got women out there vehemently opposed to a man approaching them for any reason while out and about much less speaking to them. Then you have women that welcome it and are flattered by it and think the chicks that don't like it are just stuck up bitches. You have women that actively seek it out male attention on the street and see all attention as good. Then you have women that don't care one way or another and really wish everyone would just shut up about such a non-issue.

In a scenario like your own, the last time he did it the chick was likely open and receptive, prolly even decided she was gonna fuck before she got to his crib. For her it was a welcome thing, for you it wasn't. Consensus can never be reached because some chicks don't mind it while others do. Same for "unwanted" touching; for some women it's a sign the man is feelin' her and she likes it and for some they look at it as sexual assault.

This is the shit that females don't understand. Niggas ain't mind readers. The only thing we can do are read the signs as best we can. If the shit worked for us the last three times, we have no reason to assume it won't work the forth time. If we're wrong we're wrong, but we're not villains for misreading signals.

Lol

Considering women are not a monolith

Yes ...there is reason to assume it won't work the forth time

Not saying misreading signals is an act of pure evil and should be criminalized regardless of the offense but you arent an innocent or victim either if you get cussed put or reported to HR

No, that's not reason to assume it won't work the fourth time. It's reason not to assume it will work the fourth time. Those are not the same thing. The inability to grasp that nuance is half the problem.

And no if a chick is cussing you out, you're probably not innocent, but we should be able to agree that's probably not what happens in the cases where dudes are accused of something and had no idea they did anything wrong.

U can't always foresee what will offend or upset a person

Same as I'm sure there is someone out there who actually enjoys being grabbed by strange men

But is it always required you actually act or speak a word(s) before it occurs to you that this word or said action could potentially be offensive

In regards to touching

Is it not conventional wisdom that touching someone is an invasion of someone's personal space and typically reserved for those we are intimate with? wouldnt you agree its a good assumption if you have not established trust with a person they aren't going to want you touching them regardless of whether a previous individual or 2 with whom you had little to no rapport responded positively

Same with referring to a with someone's body, personhood who you barely know

Don't really see it as being all that hard or confusing

I guess when women come to the general consensus that "how's ur day going" " what's your name, if you don't mind me asking" is offensive I could sympathize

so how do you get intimate if you dont try to touch...

think about it like this...

guy and girl on a couch....they talking making eye contact....he reaches to touch her knee. BAM! harrassment cause she didnt ok it.

or

guy and girl on the couch...they talking and making eye contact....she reaches for his hand to place it on her knee....BAM! harrassment...she forcing him to do something he didnt want to do.

even tho being ok to be touched can be implied...who has the control and who takes the first step?

guys can play this game too. but for some reason...it will be looked at as weak to claim we are harassed.

we must man up cause it was just a knee.

 

[LordZuko]

Females touch guys all the time without asking for consent.

One of the most popular things for an unfamiliar girl to do is to run her hands along a strange guys chest or biceps.

It's a way to inject or impose intimacy in a situation. Usually females do this shit right before they ask you for something.

Not to mention the females that like to just grab your dick. Walk up grab your dick, Walk by grab your shit. It's usually in a club or party atmosphere so it's seen as acceptable. Niggas are conditioned to view female sexual advances as a treat. But a nigga going up and grabbing random females by the ass or pussy is treated like a check off for potential rapist.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Like how women mistake men hate them when they don't let them get away with bullshit

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Like how women mistake men hate them when they don't let them get away with bullshit

or like being a strong woman scares dude away rather than looking at it like ,,,maybe they just a bitch about nothing

 

[blakfyahking]

handsome/attractive niggaz don't have these problems.......the rules are different if a female finds u attractive before u decide to have a 1st interaction with her

mofos are also forgetting that most of these millennial chicks have been socialized to be antisocial weirdos who feel more comfortable using indirect means to communicate (ie. social media, text messaging)

so of course a random dude speaking will be alarming to these young chicks SMH

it's also funny cuz women will say then don't want random compliments....but then they maintain an IG page just for random simps to post comments on their pics

 

[gorilla]

Females touch guys all the time without asking for consent.

One of the most popular things for an unfamiliar girl to do is to run her hands along a strange guys chest or biceps.

It's a way to inject or impose intimacy in a situation. Usually females do this shit right before they ask you for something.

Not to mention the females that like to just grab your dick. Walk up grab your dick, Walk by grab your shit. It's usually in a club or party atmosphere so it's seen as acceptable. Niggas are conditioned to view female sexual advances as a treat. But a nigga going up and grabbing random females by the ass or pussy is treated like a check off for potential rapist.

Co fucking sign. Women just as guilty for doing the shit they bitchin about. I've had plenty women rub my back touch my arms grab my shit, do the extra ass oh Im laughing so hard I can't help but fall all on you shit. This shit is retarded and I blame white women for this shit. They stay on some weird ass shit.

But mainly, like I said in the other thread it's a war white women are waging against white men for control. Per usual, some of our dumb ass sistas are all too excited to "me too" the shit.

 

[blakfyahking]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

or if I'm down to just hug up and kiss, times you got men who will pressure u to do more after 2, 3 rebuffs

and based off what other women shared with me it happens a lot...

that said, i don't even think a lot of men are actively trying to do harm...or rather they aren't consciously aware of how intimidating or grating it can be after a while because obviously y'all are rarely on the receiving end, bigger, etc... and its almost expected behavior and has been tolerated up until now...it usually is chalked up to boys beings boys... to youth...etc

agree things are kind of getting muddled....but that's why what is consent is a necessary convo though...and getting to a consensus what is acceptable

the bolded/underlined just indicated u were naive as hell back then

if a nigga dating u and invite u to his house it's pretty much an assumption that he trying to smash

did u ask him upfront if he was only inviting u over to maybe fuck? if not, how are u not just as guilty of sending mixed signals?

the problem is women love being approached the vague way to lessen the transactional nature of most sexual encounters..........usually women who see their pussy as a bargaining chip have a problem with being upfront about sex

the reason being is they always want to have to opportunity to back out of the responsibility of participating......afterwards if shit doesn't go her way in her mind for whatever reason, the fact that she never explicitly agreed in a firm legal affirmation gives her the opportunity to back out and play victim

not saying this applies to u @Madame_CJSkywalker , I'm just pointing out that u can't act like dude did something wrong when he was being vague......most women encourage the vague way of initiating sexual encounters

 

[gorilla]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

or if I'm down to just hug up and kiss, times you got men who will pressure u to do more after 2, 3 rebuffs

and based off what other women shared with me it happens a lot...

that said, i don't even think a lot of men are actively trying to do harm...or rather they aren't consciously aware of how intimidating or grating it can be after a while because obviously y'all are rarely on the receiving end, bigger, etc... and its almost expected behavior and has been tolerated up until now...it usually is chalked up to boys beings boys... to youth...etc

agree things are kind of getting muddled....but that's why what is consent is a necessary convo though...and getting to a consensus what is acceptable

the bolded/underlined just indicated u were naive as hell back then

if a nigga dating u and invite u to his house it's pretty much an assumption that he trying to smash

did u ask him upfront if he was only inviting u over to maybe fuck? if not, how are u not just as guilty of sending mixed signals?

the problem is women love being approached the vague way to lessen the transactional nature of most sexual encounters..........usually women who see their pussy as a bargaining chip have a problem with being upfront about sex

the reason being is they always want to have to opportunity to back out of the responsibility of participating......afterwards if shit doesn't go her way in her mind for whatever reason, the fact that she never explicitly agreed in a firm legal affirmation gives her the opportunity to back out and play victim

not saying this applies to u @Madame_CJSkywalker , I'm just pointing out that u can't act like dude did something wrong when he was being vague......most women encourage the vague way of initiating sexual encounters

Naw, you vicitm blaming fam. You mean a woman can't go to a mans house JUST to eat after a few dates?

[/sarcasm]

 

[THIRDSUPREME]

Fuck these hoes Maine!!!!

Hahahahahahahaha!

 

[gorilla]

When i worked corrections ....they had a very important part of the training called “the games inmates play”

Basically they would put you up on game about the shit inmates do to manipulate officers.....

There needs to be a class called “the games women play”

Fuck you mean your interested in fuckin but you don’t want to fuck....is you fuckin or not?? Your girlfriend requested me on fb was eyeing me the whole fuckin night anyway ...stop playing games....

This really sounds like some shit chicks used to do right around that age where you stopped listening to your parents when they WASNT there...this issue seems adolescent in nature

early 20s. had a guy I'd been dealing with invite me over just to watch a movie... no discussion of sex....its like 6 pm...i accept because our first couple of dates was cool and we had chemistry... get to his house. eat. there is no tv in his living room. the only working tv is supposedly in his bedroom. now he tryna get me to drink. wasn't ready to go there with him. I make up an excuse to leave and even then he didn't want to take me home at first

now I'm thinking had he told me to find a diff way home he prob would have plenty of boys ready to dap him up

or if I'm down to just hug up and kiss, times you got men who will pressure u to do more after 2, 3 rebuffs

and based off what other women shared with me it happens a lot...

that said, i don't even think a lot of men are actively trying to do harm...or rather they aren't consciously aware of how intimidating or grating it can be after a while because obviously y'all are rarely on the receiving end, bigger, etc... and its almost expected behavior and has been tolerated up until now...it usually is chalked up to boys beings boys... to youth...etc

agree things are kind of getting muddled....but that's why what is consent is a necessary convo though...and getting to a consensus what is acceptable

Props to you for getting out of there but real shit if you didn't plan on fuckig you should have never went to his house without making that clear. And imatead of making an excuse to leave you shoulda been straight up like I didn't come here for that so I'm out. Nor is he obligated to take you home( he don't a right to force you to stay either).

You gon call it victim blaming, but in reality it's called being a grownup. We can't just expect everybody else to have our best interest or read our minds.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

Yall making this too complicated

Theres a difference between work and outside of work

•Don't be pulling out your dick at work like its a sign here sticker. In fact dont even talk that talk at work with any woman

•Don't touch women sexually without their consent

Outside of work, keep spitting them lyrics fuck what these #MeToo bishes say. A chick should be flattered A man noticed her.