Somali girls are the BOMB? well, no time for that, we're talking about Islam now

[Ikaran01]

Your talking rubbish again, i find it funny that i can see a Ghanaian, Nigerian, and Congolese person of different religions and denominations freely interact and associate with each other, but to see a Somali and Nigerian that follows Islam or Somali and Senegalese person who follows Islam associate with each other is more rare, what does that tell you?

LOL it does not tell me anything, i never even know there were Muslims in West Africans until i met them in Masques in the US, i dont care if you dont believe me or not but most Somalis are very ignorant about West Africa and West Africans Muslim or not. I can Garnette you that there are some Somalis who have never seen an West African in their life until they left East Africa.

 

[Ikaran01]

Hmmm in the masjid I go to there are brothers from Gambia, Gueani Bassu, Nigeria, Togo, Mali, Senegal, The Ivory Coast, Johanesburg SA, Egypt, and we all get along fine *shrugs*

What is the Somali population in Chicago? Even in MN were there are a lot more Somalis they tend to just have their own Somali speaking Masques and dont mix with the Arabs and East Asian Muslims much. Where i live there is Somali Mosque where most Somalis go to a pray at and an Arab Masques where majority of Arabs go to and it is a very small town.

 

[garv]

Hmmm in the masjid I go to there are brothers from Gambia, Gueani Bassu, Nigeria, Togo, Mali, Senegal, The Ivory Coast, Johanesburg SA, Egypt, and we all get along fine *shrugs*

Man i'm talking about experiences with specifically Somalis, you may have different ones but in my experience Somalis have always excluded themselves from their fellow African brothers.

 

[garv]

LOL it does not tell me anything, i never even know there were Muslims in West Africans until i met them in Masques in the US, i dont care if you dont believe me or not but most Somalis are very ignorant about West Africa and West Africans Muslim or not. I can Garnette you that there are some Somalis who have never seen an West African in their life until they left East Africa.

Why do you keep harping on the point that Somalis would have never seen a West African, really what difference does it make?

 

[one_manshow]

What is the Somali population in Chicago? Even in MN were there are a lot more Somalis they tend to just have their own Somali speaking Masques and dont mix with the Arabs and East Asian Muslims much. Where i live there is Somali Mosque where most Somalis go to a pray at and an Arab Masques where majority of Arabs go to and it is a very small town.

Somalians are not better than other Muslim people from any part of the world this is arrogance at its finest. Islam has no color or race attachment to it leave your culture ideology bullshit at your house cause I know many Somali brothers who themselves say y'all got the biggest pride/ego issues for what reason? I don't know and could careless.The whole "Somali or Arab" mosque point you made is invalid anyone can go to any mosque to worship no such thing as your "own mosque" if the community builds it then it isn't owned by a particular group or individual. Where you live and your experiences doesn't represent whats going on in other parts of the world so stop this race/color non sense you speak of.

 

[Ikaran01]

Somalians are not better than other Muslim people from any part of the world this is arrogance at its finest. Islam has no color or race attachment to it leave your culture ideology bullshit at your house cause I know many Somali brothers who themselves say y'all got the biggest pride/ego issues for what reason? I don't know and could careless.The whole "Somali or Arab" mosque point you made is invalid anyone can go to any mosque to worship no such thing as your "own mosque" if the community builds it then it isn't owned by a particular group or individual. Where you live and your experiences doesn't represent whats going on in other parts of the world so stop this race/color non sense you speak of.

First of all i never said Somalis were better than anybody, secondly i was simply pointing out that Somalis generally like to keep it to them self’s no matter what communities they live amongst to those guys saying Somalis are excluding themselves from the West African populations, its the same where i live. There is a high Arabs and East Asian population and Somalis still would rather keep things to themselves. In terms of the Masques situations, it’s no secret around here that every group controls and run their own Masques. The Arabs usually like to have control over the Masques and be the leaders and what not. when the Somalis religious leaders in the community wanted to be a part of that they said no, even though the Somali community is larger, so the Somalis just opened their own Masques where Somalis can feel comfortable, and can speak and give speeches in their own language. I don't think it was the Somalis fault but the arrogant Arabs who did not want Somalis a part of their Masques leadership groups. What were the Somali community leaders to do? Just sit there and wait for the Arabs to tell them what to do? Things are much better off now, there is less racial tension in the community and people have Masques they can feel comfortable at. There are some Masques that are diverse but most I know are majority one race or another.

My opinion does matter because it is the truth, obviously if some ppl here are complaining that Somalis are excluding themselves from their communities, i am showing you that it is the same case where ever Somalis live in any community. Just because we like to keep our selfs with our own community means we are prideful and arrogant...LOL so be it, WHY does it matter to anyone what we choose to be or act like in the first place????? Its not like we are harming anyone by doing so.

 

[Ikaran01]

Why do you keep harping on the point that Somalis would have never seen a West African, really what difference does it make?

Uuuummmm..A LOT, they don't speak the same language or have the same culture or know anything about their countries.

 

[garv]

Uuuummmm..A LOT, they don't speak the same language or have the same culture or know anything about their countries.

And all West African culture and languages are the same?

You do know there are hundreds of dialects in a place like Nigeria alone, let alone the whole of West Africa. Yet despite the small conflicts and camaraderie between lets say peoples from Ghana and Peoples from Nigeria they generally tend to get along better and mingle with each other, than Somalinas do with peoples from other parts of Africa, why is this?

 

[truth spitter]

its all socialization at the end of it...Somalis seem to be raised a certain way...like uber religious Christians...or Mormons..some like Kai go against it and live their lives the way they want to

 

[Ikaran01]

And all West African culture and languages are the same?

You do know there are hundreds of dialects in a place like Nigeria alone, let alone the whole of West Africa. Yet despite the small conflicts and camaraderie between lets say peoples from Ghana and Peoples from Nigeria they generally tend to get along better and mingle with each other, than Somalinas do with peoples from other parts of Africa, why is this?

Correction:

Country: Somalia

People: Somali

Language/culture: Somali

There is NOTHING called SOMALIAN(s)

I thought it was a mistake the first time, but most ppl dont know that is not the correct term. Just letting you know some Somalis get pissed about it.

Anyways People who's countries are next to each other generally tend to have more in common, for example even though Somalis and Ethiopians don't get a long (most of the times) back in East Africa they tend to get a long and stick together if there is a small community of them in the states (i have seen it first hand) because they are from the same part of the world and understand each other’s history, culture better and feel more comfortable around each other because they are more familiars with each other, because they have lived amongst each other before. i am sure it is the same way for West Africans from different West African countries, But like i said a hundred times before since they don’t know much about West Africans they just stay away.

 

[one_manshow]

My opinion does matter because it is the truth, obviously if some ppl here are complaining that Somalis are excluding themselves from their communities, i am showing you that it is the same case where ever Somalis live in any community. Just because we like to keep our selfs with our own community means we are prideful and arrogant...LOL so be it, WHY does it matter to anyone what we choose to be or act like in the first place????? Its not like we are harming anyone by doing so.

@first bolded

Have you been all over the world to come to the conclusion that all of them are the same? I've been countries in Europe and Asia and they mixed real well with other individuals regardless of race. Your views and experience don't represent the world as a whole wake up and face reality.

@second bold
The same reason why Somalia is runned by Al Shabab? and most Somali's can't go back to their native countries before being held hostage/ransom? Pride?

The same reason why there is clanism in your country that has killed thousands in previous wars? Pride?

The same reason why in the U.S/Canada poverty, social exclusion,social assistance and drop out rates in high schools are the highest in Somali's? Pride?

Point being is that whether your Somali/Somalian you still encounter the same issues/problems that blacks face. In fact, the white man views you as a negro and nigga at the end of the day a white person sees your skin color not what region in Africa your from. Stop with this pride and jealousy bullshit you breath in the same oxygen as rest of us humans.

 

[Ikaran01]

@first bolded

Have you been all over the world to come to the conclusion that all of them are the same? I've been countries in Europe and Asia and they mixed real well with other individuals regardless of race. Your views and experience don't represent the world as a whole wake up and face reality.

@second bold
The same reason why Somalia is runned by Al Shabab? and most Somali's can't go back to their native countries before being held hostage/ransom? Pride?

The same reason why there is clanism in your country that has killed thousands in previous wars? Pride?

The same reason why in the U.S/Canada poverty, social exclusion,social assistance and drop out rates in high schools are the highest in Somali's? Pride?

Point being is that whether your Somali/Somalian you still encounter the same issues/problems that blacks face. In fact, the white man views you as a negro and nigga at the end of the day a white person sees your skin color not what region in Africa your from. Stop with this pride and jealousy bullshit you breath in the same oxygen as rest of us humans.

At the first bolded where is your proof? Where i went to high school 99.99% of the Somali kids at my school graduated from high school. If Somalis came to America/Canada with nothing of course they would be at a disadvantage economically and would need help and work harder to get them self’s out of that situation. Most Somalis i know now are business owners and are becoming less and less dependent on government help. Every University you go to in MN, Ohio and DC are filled with Somalis students. Secondly when was i talking about the Muslims around the world, I said WHERE I LIVE IT IS LIKE THAT,NOT THE WORLD. You have a hard time reading or understanding.

At the second bolder, that is the difference between you and us, you people care too much about what whites think and view you as. Do whites care enough to think of what you think of them? Hell NO. We Somalis don't care what anyone thinks of us black or white. Pride can be both good and bad and no doubt we have both, but mostly good in my view.

 

[Topgunna]

One last thing in this thread. I think It's unfair to indicate that only somalis do get together. Most communities/people tend to congregate when in a foreign land.

All the people highlighting the fact that somalis like to stick together are neglecting the fact that they are immigrants in foreign countries and you would probably do the same thing if you had to migrate.

In fact why are there communities who have been here for generations still marrying within their own/living in their own neighbourhoods? The same reason why there is a chinatown in every city. Most people are comfortable among their own point blank period.

But I c/s one_manshow there is no seperate mosques where I'm at...somalis pray with everyone else and go about there business. They also have no problem getting along with others....wtf @ ppl making us look THAT xenophobic loool.

Btw salaam to brother one_manshow.

 

[Hyde Parke]

[/B]

We Somalis don't care what anyone thinks of us black or white. .

You keep saying this, while simultaneously carrying on and on ,attempting to browbeat us into thinking a certain

way about your culture.

 

[Ikaran01]

You keep saying this, while simultaneously carrying on and on ,attempting to browbeat us into thinking a certain

way about your culture.

You can believe what ever you want, it still does not matter to me. I am not the one here complaining about why West Africans don't mix with Somalis.

 

[Ikaran01]

One last thing in this thread. I think It's unfair to indicate that only somalis do get together. Most communities/people tend to congregate when in a foreign land.

All the people highlighting the fact that somalis like to stick together are neglecting the fact that they are immigrants in foreign countries and you would probably do the same thing if you had to migrate.

In fact why are there communities who have been here for generations still marrying within their own/living in their own neighbourhoods? The same reason why there is a chinatown in every city. Most people are comfortable among their own point blank period.

Why are some ppl on here acting like Somalis are the only ones who stick together, i see Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, Persians, Mexicans...ect...ect ppl who do exactly the same thing...WHY just point out Somalis??????

 

[one_manshow]

[/B]

At the first bolded where is your proof? Where i went to high school 99.99% of the Somali kids at my school graduated from high school. If Somalis came to America/Canada with nothing of course they would be at a disadvantage economically and would need help and work harder to get them self’s out of that situation. Most Somalis i know now are business owners and are becoming less and less dependent on government help. Every University you go to in MN, Ohio and DC are filled with Somalis students. Secondly when was i talking about the Muslims around the world, I said WHERE I LIVE IT IS LIKE THAT,NOT THE WORLD. You have a hard time reading or understanding

At the second bolder, that is the difference between you and us, you people care too much about what whites think and view you as. Do whites care enough to think of what you think of them? Hell NO. We Somalis don't care what anyone thinks of us black or white. Pride can be both good and bad and no doubt we have both, but mostly good in my view.

Since you wanted proof here are a couple articles proving my statements.

http://www.arts.yorku.ca/soci/goldring/clippings/dropout__rates_link_language.pdf

http://somalicommunityofwindsor.ca/?p=106

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/09/dont-believe-hype-somali-immigration-to.html

Now I ask you what exactly is there to be prideful about?

@last bolded you stated "its the same case where ever Somalis live in any community" so with that statement what makes you so sure that all your people are the same? So before you go on the comprehension and me having a hard time understanding proof read your words next time. The keyword in your rebuttal was "community" do you know what defines a community?

 

[Ikaran01]

Since you wanted proof here are a couple articles proving my statements.

http://www.arts.yorku.ca/soci/goldring/clippings/dropout__rates_link_language.pdf

http://somalicommunityofwindsor.ca/?p=106

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/09/dont-believe-hype-somali-immigration-to.html

Now I ask you what exactly is there to be prideful about?

@last bolded you stated "its the same case where ever Somalis live in any community" so with that statement what makes you so sure that all your people are the same? So before you go on the comprehension and me having a hard time understanding proof read your words next time. The keyword in your rebuttal was "community" do you know what defines a community?

LOL at bolder that is something you will never understand and i personally don't have to proof why i am proud to you or anyone. You seem like you want to proof me wrong so bad but you are failing big time. As much as you want to believe your rhetoric and blogs posted by racists to proof your point the truth on the ground is beyond comparison. I am not saying that some people in the community are not struggling ( i am sure some are) or are having hard time adjusting but for the majority of Somalis who have been here longer that is not the case. Here is what is see on a daily bases.

Somali Women Make Minneapolis Their Business
http://womensenews.org/story/entrepreneurship/071223/somali-women-make-minneapolis-their-business

Swedes eye Somali success – in Minneapolis
http://www.swedishwire.com/componen...6813-swedes-eye-somali-success-in-minneapolis

Hussein Samatar Becomes First Somali Honored – Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal
http://somalilandpress.com/hussein-...ored-minneapolisst-paul-business-journal-7106

With all of your so called proofs you fail to point out how Somalis are adjusting and are becoming more and more comfortable living in the US, thus becoming more successful in their personal life, in education and business. Somalis where a big part in electing the first African American Muslim (Keith Ellison) congressmen In America therefore becoming more involved in American politics to insure their future success and help their community. In terms of the education and students failing or dropping out, again you are way to out of touch with this issue and can’t even begin to understand the beginning of it. Personally i don’t believe the number is that high, secondly as to why some kids would be dropping out in the first place. It has nothing to do with them not being able to learn. it has a lot to do with schools and teacher not being to friendly to Somali tudents and parents not understating how the system works. so the schools just take advantages of those kids and put them in programs am to help the school get funds from the government but no very helpful to those students, they don’t feel encouraged to learn and dropout. They are many problems with the American education system such as racism and segregation (urban schools not getting same amount of funds and tools as suburban school) has a lot to do with it. You have to analyze what Western problems comes in to play when looking into already fragile communities. I know this because i worked with schools, community organizing groups and non-profits that deals with empowering emigrants to advocate for better education.

First Muslim Congressmen
http://www.hiiraan.com/comments2-news-2006-nov-local_somali_vote_is_hidden,_yet_powerful.aspx

Historic victory for Minneapolis Hussein Samatar becomes first Somali-American elected to school board
chttp://www.startribune.com/politics/local/106579488.htmle
http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2010/n..._first_somali_american_elected_to_office.aspx

In regards to the Masques Yes i was talking about the Somali community across US are like that. i did say there were SOME DIVERS ones but for the most part they are pretty segregated, deny it all you want but i am only saying what i see in real life.

 

[white people like me]

lol at caring about a country with like 9 million people. Somalis are so insignificant and live in a hell hole. Then, the stupid ones don't assimilate into the countries that took their refugee asses in and act like they're better. Your country sucks mother fuckers. I'd rather live in god damn Congo. Who cares if they dont mix..let them keep interbreeding until they reach below retard level and have genetic deformities.

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[Ikaran01]

lol at caring about a country with like 9 million people. Somalis are so insignificant and live in a hell hole. Then, the stupid ones don't assimilate into the countries that took their refugee asses in and act like they're better. Your country sucks mother fuckers. I'd rather live in god damn Congo. Who cares if they dont mix..let them keep interbreeding until they reach below retard level and have genetic deformities.

I