So we know NYC Lost but is any region "winning"?

[zay_24]

And this is important, cuz dudes is sayin the south is running the game, and NY fell off. We don't claim Philly or DC, we don't take credit for Wiz's success. Chicago don't claim Big Sean, and as far as the West is concerned, the only state relevant is California. Why do south cats take a rapper from a certain state's success as an accomplishment of the whole coast? BOB, Wayne, and Ross are miles apart, but leave it up to the south, they all live in the same house.

co signnnn thiss

 

[ratchet bity]

but that does not take away from the fact that it is still on the east coast. Plus anny relevant niggas from talahasse hot? Any tampa niggas making noise? Nope those niggas from miami and orlando produce the rappers. When flo-rida and ross and khaled start talking with soutern draws lemme know.

Jt money?fred p from makin da band n aint khaled from da n.o. Originally shot silk from no limit didnt sound like a n.o. Nigga everybody.doesnt carry.da.accent

 

[BackInWhite]

yeah nyc is winning waaaaay more than oakland

hell, ct is winning way more than oakland

j.cole is winning more than oakland

so is b-i-g rapist sean don

 

[zay_24]

NYC niggas actin like when people refer to the west coast they aint referrin to LA 90% of the time

 

[BackInWhite]

i do find it funny that when ny ain't winnin niggas retort with, "but we just 1 state against a whole region"
shut up
stop cryin
when it was all good there was no mention of "we just 1 state"
it was the east coast
the whole entire east coast
yall just don't wanna take credit for niggas like wiz cuz he sucks
chicago don't take credit for big sean but the midwest does
just like when beans and state property was on roc-a-fella it was the east coast
now nyc wanna differentiate themselves

 

[ratchet bity]

but that does not take away from the fact that it is still on the east coast. Plus anny relevant niggas from talahasse hot? Any tampa niggas making noise? Nope those niggas from miami and orlando produce the rappers. When flo-rida and ross and khaled start talking with soutern draws lemme know.

And u left out ace.hoods southern drawl

 

[BackInWhite]

so all of a sudden southern niggas ain't even southern no more?
damn, NY
ain't nobody on top
the rap game ain't being run by any 1 entity
stop grasping for straws

 

[5th Letter]

To me hip hop is in a bad spot overall sales are down and the quality of the music is at an all time low

 

[BackInWhite]

To me hip hop is in a bad spot overall sales are down and the quality of the music is at an all time low

to you, huh?
this is your opinion, huh?
shut the fuck up, dumb ass nigga

 

[ustreet_monsta]

And u left out ace.hoods southern drawl

We got the same thing going on in DC. We got some cats with real thick accents and some without. Doesn't make us the part of the Dirty just cuz people got country fam.

My general point with the Florida is on the East Coast argument is that nobody claimed it until recently. Its not historically part of the Dirty South, but its definitely on the East Coast, especially all the cities that are relevant.

Here's a quiz for anybody who still thinks Miami is not on the East Coast

Miami Dolphins play in the AFC ________
U Miami plays in the __________ conference
Miami Heat play in the __________ conference
Florida Marlins play in the ______ division

 

[a_list]

yes and no...it does change somewhat but hella people from the north east have moved/have summer homes down south though. The culture changes after NC but

A) its still technically the east coast

B) they are influenced by the east coast

yes it is the eastcoast but like i said there is a seperation after that.....now we all know that florida is on the eastcoast but to say its anything like cities in the northeast is just crazy....

The popularity of the NBA in cities like miami and atlanta comes from the east coast because they are not basketball hubs. But now with AAU hella guys are coming out of the south in atlanta suburbs now because they have been influenced by the east coast basketball culture. Even in music the popularity of Jay Z is huge because the south now is influenced by the east coast. Hov packed venues larger than some hometown southern artists could in tour stops outside miami and tampa.

whoa, so you mean these cats wasnt balling before this? School me on this east coast b ball culture....you're losing me.......

and yes wayne can sell out a venue up north and ye could sell out a venue out west it goes all diffrent ways. And few nyc niggas can even tour at all but again niggas wanna say the south or west or midwest is winning but how many niggas can leave their area and get large scale crowds in another region?

now there are very few stars.....only a handful can sell out venues period......the whole ny lost thing is coming frm disgruntled and scarred fans.....when discussing this shyt next time ask who's these cats fav rappers and they prolly got atleast 3 nyers in their top 5......one cat top 5 had biggie,nas and jay in it but he was leading the fuck ny brigade.....when rappers from their region didnt get the love from the east they started to lash out, thats all its about......honestly right now i think the game is everywhere, you have rappers from places like pittsburg,toronto,detroit etc doin things...regional dominance is over for the most part......

 

[BackInWhite]

We got the same thing going on in DC. We got some cats with real thick accents and some without. Doesn't make us the part of the Dirty just cuz people got country fam.

My general point with the Florida is on the East Coast argument is that nobody claimed it until recently. Its not historically part of the Dirty South, but its definitely on the East Coast, especially all the cities that are relevant.

Here's a quiz for anybody who still thinks Miami is not on the East Coast

Miami Dolphins play in the AFC ________
U Miami plays in the __________ conference
Miami Heat play in the __________ conference
Florida Marlins play in the ______ division

how the fuck is florida not historically part of the dirty south?
the grizzlies are in the western conference.....fuck does that mean tho?

 

[mawkdawg]

you bring up some good points however nobody said MIA was not part of the south we were just saying it is literally on the east coast. It is in the south eastern United states and is LITERALLY on the east coast. San Deigo is on the literal west coast of the united states. My point was if niggas call the west cost a 1,000 plus mile strip of coast but that is just as same as the 1,000 mile east coast. Regardless of culture savannah and miami are on the east coast literally you cannot deny it. 20th century jargon has associated the east coast with the north east, but the east coast goes from Newfoundland Canada to the florida keys.

I hear what u saying but this is what a previous poster said & I quote "I'm not convinced that Florida is in the South music wise. The I-95 runs through Miami and it's a music wise. The I-95 runs through Miami and it's a city built by and frequented by NY, Jersey, and Philly cats. Yeah they have a southern bounce and strip club culture down there, but the modern music scene is also heavily influenced by NYC." So I'm not disputing the fact that Florida is LITERALLY on da east coast that's obvious but the underlying issue is the posters subtly implying that NYC is somewhat responsible for the Miami sound/success. Like Nyc is winning vicariously cuz of Miami being on rite now. Let's also be clear when we talk about "Miami" we really are talking about "ROSS" cuz nobody ever made the (east coast influence argument) about Trick Daddy, Trina, Pitbull, Jacki-O or Flo-Rida or anybody else in Florida/Miami for that matter. Which brings me to my next point Miami is an international city with influences from all over the world but it has a Miami Sound & Culture ie. Pitbull & Flo-Rida etc. With Ross pioneering in a new sound which to me is more reminiscent of an 8ball(Suave House) rather than an east coast artist. Just like where I live around the Lafayette area it is nothing like North Louisiana or typically "Southern" rather a Cajun/Creole culture but nobody disputes South Louisiana being part of the south, ironically we are very similar to Florida in culture, geography & accent. So last its a well known fact in the U.S. that the east coast typically refers to the North East coast & N.C. on down is the south so why the sudden change? Plus the West coast is almost always used in reference to Cali. maybe even Vegas While Seattle & Portland etc. would fall under the Pacific Northwest category. Also most of Florida is on the Gulf Coast. So all I'm saying is that the South in itself is diverse & while MIA mite not be "TYPICALLY" southern it is still a very diverse International Southern City PERIOD..

 

[BackInWhite]

so now all of a sudden florida is a east coast state music wise?
but if they were a part of the east coast the whole damn time why wasn't niggas claimin luke and 2 live crew?
why wasn't niggas claimin miami bass music?
this shit is pathetic

 

[ustreet_monsta]

I hear what u saying but this is what a previous poster said & I quote "I'm not convinced that Florida is in the South music wise. The I-95 runs through Miami and it's a music wise. The I-95 runs through Miami and it's a city built by and frequented by NY, Jersey, and Philly cats. Yeah they have a southern bounce and strip club culture down there, but the modern music scene is also heavily influenced by NYC." So I'm not disputing the fact that Florida is LITERALLY on da east coast that's obvious but the underlying issue is the posters subtly implying that NYC is somewhat responsible for the Miami sound/success. Like Nyc is winning vicariously cuz of Miami being on rite now. Let's also be clear when we talk about "Miami" we really are talking about "ROSS" cuz nobody ever made the (east coast influence argument) about Trick Daddy, Trina, Pitbull, Jacki-O or Flo-Rida or anybody else in Florida/Miami for that matter. Which brings me to my next point Miami is an international city with influences from all over the world but it has a Miami Sound & Culture ie. Pitbull & Flo-Rida etc. With Ross pioneering in a new sound which to me is more reminiscent of an 8ball(Suave House) rather than an east coast artist. Just like where I live around the Lafayette area it is nothing like North Louisiana or typically "Southern" rather a Cajun/Creole culture but nobody disputes South Louisiana being part of the south, ironically we are very similar to Florida in culture, geography & accent. So last its a well known fact in the U.S. that the east coast typically refers to the North East coast & N.C. on down is the south so why the sudden change? Plus the West coast is almost always used in reference to Cali. maybe even Vegas While Seattle & Portland etc. would fall under the Pacific Northwest category. Also most of Florida is on the Gulf Coast. So all I'm saying is that the South in itself is diverse & while MIA mite not be "TYPICALLY" southern it is still a very diverse International Southern City PERIOD..

Agree that most of the state in on the Gulf Coast. I didnt mean to make my argument NYC specific cuz Florida isnt NY and NY doesn't get any credit for their dominance right now. And yeah Luke made more stereotypical southern music than whats coming out of Miami right now.

My argument is that the cities that are doing it right now in Florida are East Coast cities. The South can't own and take credit for Miami just cuz they said they touched it last. Its a East Coast city with influences from all over.

Heres 4 maps of the dirty south I just got off google:

The consensus seems to be that Florida and especially Miami are not part of it.

 

[KidLife10200]

We got the same thing going on in DC. We got some cats with real thick accents and some without. Doesn't make us the part of the Dirty just cuz people got country fam.

My general point with the Florida is on the East Coast argument is that nobody claimed it until recently. Its not historically part of the Dirty South, but its definitely on the East Coast, especially all the cities that are relevant.

Here's a quiz for anybody who still thinks Miami is not on the East Coast

Miami Dolphins play in the AFC ________
U Miami plays in the __________ conference
Miami Heat play in the __________ conference
Florida Marlins play in the ______ division

Lmfao @ this nigga using sports to reference where a state is.

Atlanta Hawks play in the East conference as well. I guess they're apart of the East Coast too. But since you want to play like that.

New Orleans play in the Western division so I guess Lousiana is apart of the West Coast now.

Niggas need to realize when we refer to regions we refer to 4. The West, The East The Midwest and The South. We never refer to them as the East and West unless we talking about NBA. Florida is at the BOTTOM OF THE MAP and MIAMI IS EVEN FURTHER DOWN. So why the hell would Miami be apart of the East when all the other Southern states aren't?

"Well yo sonny u see yo they have a lot of ny cats down there in miami son so it's not reeally southern"

No dumbass. Miami has a lot of people from different islands as well. Ya'll niggas act like they don't be riding in dunks,rocking grills and wearing dickies in Miami. How about you actually go there for once. You know get off your computer.

"Well dunny they don't really have southern accents yo!. They talk like mad retawds like us. Look at rick ross and dj khaled yo!"

Nah actually plenty of Miami/Florida niggas have accents. Trick Daddy, Iceberg, Ace hood, Brisco, Plies,Fella just to name a few.

Its sort of disgusting to see these East Coast/NY niggas try to claim Miami with this bullshit about I-95. Niggas didn't even look twice at Miami in the 90s and now ya'll trying to claim us cause a lot of ya'll move here. Fuck outta here with that bullshit mane.

Agree that most of the state in on the Gulf Coast. I didnt mean to make my argument NYC specific cuz Florida isnt NY and NY doesn't get any credit for their dominance right now. And yeah Luke made more stereotypical southern music than whats coming out of Miami right now.

My argument is that the cities that are doing it right now in Florida are East Coast cities. The South can't own and take credit for Miami just cuz they said they touched it last. Its a East Coast city with influences from all over.

Heres 4 maps of the dirty south I just got off google:

The consensus seems to be that Florida and especially Miami are not part of it.

Lmao @ this shit. Just as easily as you can find a map showing Florida/Miami isn't a part of the South I can find one showing it is.

The South as defined by the United States Census Burea not some random ass maps off Google. Looks like Florida is highlighted and considered a part of the South to me.

 

[mawkdawg]

Agree that most of the state in on the Gulf Coast. I didnt mean to make my argument NYC specific cuz Florida isnt NY and NY doesn't get any credit for their dominance right now. And yeah Luke made more stereotypical southern music than whats coming out of Miami right now.

My argument is that the cities that are doing it right now in Florida are East Coast cities. The South can't own and take credit for Miami just cuz they said they touched it last. Its a East Coast city with influences from all over.

Heres 4 maps of the dirty south I just got off google:

The consensus seems to be that Florida and especially Miami are not part of it.

My thing is this. It's not about the south trying to own or claim the Miami sound that's their own unique sound but however you wanna look at it no matter how technical u try to get Miami is the South as we know it. I challenge u to Google dirty south music & east coast music then tell me the consensus Miami falls under, I don't even get why that is up for discussion its irrefutable. It never in history fell under the east coast umbrella. Also Miami is ranked 3rd in metropolitan area population in SOUTHERN states u can't twist or dispute these FACTS. Even by using 1 of ur own maps Texas is not included, now while I understand West Texas, East Texas is definitely the Dirty I be in Houston & Dallas & never met a nigga or essay that didn't rep the dirty south. Then on another map Louisiana is in the questionable shade with Florida so I'm sorry I cant take that one seriously. My thing is this u can't use selective choosing when deciding what's east coast, u can't skip Jacksonville & Savannah & S.C. go to the bottom of the map & claim Miami. U can't deny the influences from all the *Southern* cities in the immediate area & please don't tell me Jacksonville etc. isn't the south. I just wanna know why all the sudden interest in Mia why not before it was "cool"? Why now?

 

[illogics]

Yall niggas know that a state can be both Southern and be on the East Coast right? Some of yall in here straight using the "hip-hop" regional break downs.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

now there are very few stars.....only a handful can sell out venues period......the whole ny lost thing is coming frm disgruntled and scarred fans.....when discussing this shyt next time ask who's these cats fav rappers and they prolly got atleast 3 nyers in their top 5......one cat top 5 had biggie,nas and jay in it but he was leading the fuck ny brigade.....when rappers from their region didnt get the love from the east they started to lash out, thats all its about......honestly right now i think the game is everywhere, you have rappers from places like pittsburg,toronto,detroit etc doin things...regional dominance is over for the most part......

the bolded is excatly why hip hop is loosing. A concert/crowd reception is one of the biggest ways to see who is "winning" or who is "dominating"......you cant claim your region is dominating other regions unless you are pulling a 20 city tour and every city niggas going crazy to see your live performance. Because while people bootleg CD's and claim they are fans of rappers...paying money to see them live shows.

Sure many under ratted rappers can be sucessful. but to be dominant means you gotta have allot mroe to bring. niggas from every region northeast/midwest/south/west/ international are honking their horns saying their region is dominating they winning blah blah blah. But all i am saying is that is not the case. Dominating is not having a .500record in sports its going 14-2 and winning the title. Dominating in hip hop is not having a few rappers from your region on the radio its having big named artists who are selling albums miles ahead of other people...filling venues to capacity and having a buzz that is Iconic. Regions do not have that anymore like they did just 5 years ago.

 

[a_list]

a lot dudes missed geography class i see smdh

yo....blame the teachers lol