So is Lebron James Stomach turning or what ? (i know he is feeling sick)

[gman82]

The nba has been predictably since the 60's. The same teams competing for a title every year. What Lebron did was help create parity. Last year the champion was up for grabs for the first time in a long time. The bulls, heat, lakers, thunder, mavs, Celtics, and spurs had a shot at winning the ring entering the playoffs. Before last season we all thought only the lakers And celtics had a legit shot at the title. The nba made a comback last year.

 

[Smo-King Locs]

The nba has been predictably since the 60's. The same teams competing for a title every year. What Lebron did was help create parity. Last year the champion was up for grabs for the first time in a long time. The bulls, heat, lakers, thunder, mavs, Celtics, and spurs had a shot at winning the ring entering the playoffs. Before last season we all thought only the lakers And celtics had a legit shot at the title. The nba made a comback last year.

i don't know about the Lebron creating parity, but c/s , last year had been the 1st year in a long time that anybody could have won it all..

thunders, grizzlies, mavs, heat,celtics, bulls,lakers ,spurs, ....

that's because the NBA has more talent then ever u name a team, N they got @ least one player who can make the all-star team...

every decade 3-5 teams dominate

• in the 70s: out west it was a 3 team show down sonics, bucks, lakers, out East the knicks dominated the 1st half 70-74, and the bullets dominated the 2nd half 75-80

• in the 80's : pretty much was a 5 team leaugue. 4 of them splitting up the decade. and these was the " golden years"
• the lakers dominated the west, the only other team that came out was the rockets... while east the 76ers ranned the early east from 80-83, while the celtics held it down from 84- 87, and the pistons closed out the 80's from 88-90...

• in the 90's jordan took 6 of the 10 trophies home while hakeem took 2 ...

• since 1999 the only 3 teams to ever win the west were the MAVS,Spurs, & Lakers
• splitting 8 of the 11 trophies for the decade

• while out east from 2003-2008 the pistons played in 7 straight eastern conference finals

 

[mikelewis]

The competition argument is confusing me.

Last year, if I recall, a smaller known team from Oklahoma City beat the same Miami Heat team everyone has it out for I suppose. It's not like Miami last year went undefeated, or that they didn't have their share of problems like every other team in the league. San Antonio, the top team in the west, lost to the Memphis Grizzlies in the first round and the Denver Nuggets who everyone said they were done after losing Carmelo wound up at a better seed than the New York Knicks.

The art of competing is not cowering with your tail between your legs and crying foul when the other team is better than you, it's getting better yourself to compete with that better them and your main focus being to win.

It's funny to me that Michael Jordan and Larry Bird, owners to two small market teams crying about the Heat and such, were the same guys last year saying, "I didn't want to team up with those guys, I wanted to play against them and beat them."

 

[ocelot]

Shaq Duncan and Garnett should've done it back in the 00s....

To bad they had something called pride

 

[VulcanRaven]

what compettition???

lets keep it real, prior to the tip off of any NBA season u already have an idea of the playoff's picture 85% of the time....

here is a list of The NBA the Finals Match Ups, since 1970'

Year-----West--------East
1970:---Lakers-------Knicks
1971:---Bucks--------Bullets (Wizards)
1972:---Lakers-------Knicks
1973:---Lakers-------Knicks
1974:---Bucks--------Celtics
1975:---Warriors----Bullets (Wizards)
1976:---Suns---------Celtics
1977:---Blazers------76ERS
1978:---Sonics-------Bullets (Wizards)
1979:---Sonics-------Bullets (Wizards)
1980:---Lakers------76ERS
1981:---Rockets----Celtics
1982:---Lakers------76ERS
1983:---Lakers------76ERs
1984:---Lakers------Celtics
1985:---Lakers------Celtics
1986:---Rockets----Celtics
1987:---Lakers----- Celtics
1988----Lakers------Pistons
1889:---Lakers------Pistons
1990:---Blazers-----Pistons
1991:---Lakers------Bulls
1992:---Blazers-----Bulls
1993:---Suns--------Bulls
1994:---Rockets----Knicks
1995:---Rockets----Magics
1996:---Sonics------Bulls
1997:---Jazz--------Bulls
1998:---Jazz--------Bulls
1999:--Spurs-------Knicks
2000:--Lakers------Pacers
2001:--Lakers------76ERs
2002:--Lakers------Nets
2003:--Spurs-------Nets
2004:--Lakers------Pistons
2005:--Spurs-------Pistons
2006:--Mavericks--Heats
2007:--Spurs-------Cavs
2008:--Lakers------Celtics
2009:--Lakers------Magics
2010:--Lakers------Celtics
2011:--Mavericks--Heats

Out West,

• From 76-96, thats' for 20 years, the same 5 teams were coming out West... Lakers(9) ,Rockets (4), Blazers (3) ,Sonics (2), and Suns (2)...

• From 97-2011 for 15 years, the same 4 teams were coming out West. Lakers (7), Spurs (4), Mavs (2), N Jazz (2)

• that's the same 8 teams for the last 35 years Lakers (16), Rockets (4), Spurs (4), Blazers (3), Sonics (2),Suns (2) Jazz (2), Mavs (2)

• and from 1970 with the exception of the Warriors, who were Western conference Champs twice in the 60's it's been the same 9 teams, who won the west Lakers (19),Rockets (4), Spurs (4), Blazers (3), Sonics (2),Suns (2) Jazz (2), Mavs (2), Bucks (2)...
  that's 40 years out of 41 years...

Now lets go east

• 1970-2000, aside from the pacers and magics, it has been the same 6 teams making it out east for 30 years; Celtics (7), Bulls (6), Knicks (5), Bullets/Wizards (4), 76ers (4), Pistons (3).

• since 1970 With the Exception Of the Pacers, And Cavs, It's Been the same 9 teams Celtics (9),Bulls (6), Pistons (5),76ers (5),Knicks (5), Bullets/Wizards (4), Nets (2), Magics (2), Heats (2)...

So Again I Ask What Compettition ?????????????

It's not GOOD franchises fault that they have better gms,coaches and know who to sign to their team.I blame the lack of comp on the organization themselves.Look at the Clippers,what have they been doing besides Blake who will leave when is contract is up anyway? Most organizations in sports are not ran by people who know what they are doing.So you get shit teams like the Nets and Bucks.

 

[Focal Point]

#6, #3, #1 > Rest of the League

Really??? I need the Gillie gif please

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So this is the only formula then? This is the only way that a team can be allowed to be dominant?? GTFOH with this bullshit.

So in your world a great player has to wait for his GM to make an extraordinary draft pick,
THEN hope that the organization hires the right coach that will develop this talent into a top 50 caliber player,
THEN hope that this player stays on the same team when he gets that good and doesnt want to make more money somewhere else,
THEN hope that your owner is willing to spend enough money to keep that second player there,
THEN hope that your owner is willing to spend some more to put a good set or role players around you
THEN its ok to win CHIPS and be dominante

ALL the while you've never had a choice in coming to this team, with this owner and this management because you were drafted right out of College. So where the fuck does competing come into any of this?? All as opposed to a player saying I choose the team I play for, I choose the organization I want to be a part of.....

This is some retarded ass logic.

Without responding to your bullshit oversimplifications of my point. Answer this, if what I'm saying is so hard and difficult to do, how come the NBA has been doing it for years with plenty of success? If what these players are doing now is great, how come the competitors back in the day didn't do it?

No one is saying that teams can't make moves to improve themselves. No one is even saying that players can't want to play with each other. The issue is that consolidating all the talent on a few teams will make the majority of the other teams and as a result the games played during a season pointless. And that stacking teams like that shows an unwillingness to compete on the parts of these players.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

what compettition???

lets keep it real, prior to the tip off of any NBA season u already have an idea of the playoff's picture 85% of the time....

here is a list of The NBA the Finals Match Ups, since 1970'

Year-----West--------East
1970:---Lakers-------Knicks
1971:---Bucks--------Bullets (Wizards)
1972:---Lakers-------Knicks
1973:---Lakers-------Knicks
1974:---Bucks--------Celtics
1975:---Warriors----Bullets (Wizards)
1976:---Suns---------Celtics
1977:---Blazers------76ERS
1978:---Sonics-------Bullets (Wizards)
1979:---Sonics-------Bullets (Wizards)
1980:---Lakers------76ERS
1981:---Rockets----Celtics
1982:---Lakers------76ERS
1983:---Lakers------76ERs
1984:---Lakers------Celtics
1985:---Lakers------Celtics
1986:---Rockets----Celtics
1987:---Lakers----- Celtics
1988----Lakers------Pistons
1889:---Lakers------Pistons
1990:---Blazers-----Pistons
1991:---Lakers------Bulls
1992:---Blazers-----Bulls
1993:---Suns--------Bulls
1994:---Rockets----Knicks
1995:---Rockets----Magics
1996:---Sonics------Bulls
1997:---Jazz--------Bulls
1998:---Jazz--------Bulls
1999:--Spurs-------Knicks
2000:--Lakers------Pacers
2001:--Lakers------76ERs
2002:--Lakers------Nets
2003:--Spurs-------Nets
2004:--Lakers------Pistons
2005:--Spurs-------Pistons
2006:--Mavericks--Heats
2007:--Spurs-------Cavs
2008:--Lakers------Celtics
2009:--Lakers------Magics
2010:--Lakers------Celtics
2011:--Mavericks--Heats

Out West,

• From 76-96, thats' for 20 years, the same 5 teams were coming out West... Lakers(9) ,Rockets (4), Blazers (3) ,Sonics (2), and Suns (2)...

• From 97-2011 for 15 years, the same 4 teams were coming out West. Lakers (7), Spurs (4), Mavs (2), N Jazz (2)

• that's the same 8 teams for the last 35 years Lakers (16), Rockets (4), Spurs (4), Blazers (3), Sonics (2),Suns (2) Jazz (2), Mavs (2)

• and from 1970 with the exception of the Warriors, who were Western conference Champs twice in the 60's it's been the same 9 teams, who won the west Lakers (19),Rockets (4), Spurs (4), Blazers (3), Sonics (2),Suns (2) Jazz (2), Mavs (2), Bucks (2)...
  that's 40 years out of 41 years...

Now lets go east

• 1970-2000, aside from the pacers and magics, it has been the same 6 teams making it out east for 30 years; Celtics (7), Bulls (6), Knicks (5), Bullets/Wizards (4), 76ers (4), Pistons (3).

• since 1970 With the Exception Of the Pacers, And Cavs, It's Been the same 9 teams Celtics (9),Bulls (6), Pistons (5),76ers (5),Knicks (5), Bullets/Wizards (4), Nets (2), Magics (2), Heats (2)...

So Again I Ask What Compettition ?????????????

Competition doesn't mean that the best teams won't win. It means that it won't be a cake walk. You knew there was a good chance the Bulls would win, but you also knew the Knicks and/or Pacers would play them hard and it would take some heroics from MJ to come out on top.

With the way the league is going now, you're liable to not see a good playoff series to the conference finals and everything before that including a great deal of the regular season will be unwatchable.

 

[RiGGA]

Boston wasnt the blue print the circumstances were totally different... the stature of the players, the youth of the players, and the age of the players

lmfao @ implying a difference between the red and blue...That's like me saying "Yeah the Bulls play at the United Center in Chicago, and the Bulls play in Chicago."

 

[rage]

Without responding to your bullshit oversimplifications of my point. Answer this, if what I'm saying is so hard and difficult to do, how come the NBA has been doing it for years with plenty of success? If what these players are doing now is great, how come the competitors back in the day didn't do it?

No one is saying that teams can't make moves to improve themselves. No one is even saying that players can't want to play with each other. The issue is that consolidating all the talent on a few teams will make the majority of the other teams and as a result the games played during a season pointless. And that stacking teams like that shows an unwillingness to compete on the parts of these players.

Again, none of you niggas will ever address FACTS. Straight deflecting....pathetic.

It is HARD to do, good lord how daft are you. Its been like 5 teams that can even be considered dynasties or dominant Lakers, Celts, Bulls, Spurs, maybe maybe Detroit...and this is over DECADES!! Not to mention the league is watered down as fuck now with expansion, so you have more teams with a lower concentration of talent.

And that stacking teams like that shows an unwillingness to compete on the parts of these players.

This is some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

 

[FRESHMAN]

I've read this entire thread and I don't get some of you cats, man. Ya'll sound like some delusional ass haters, for real. My man Lebron played out his rookie contract AND extension but ya'll expected him to wait for Larry Hughes...Mo Williams...Antwan Jamison to somehow transform into his Scottie Pippen. Obviously management was trying to use him up and not spend real money to get him some quality help cause he obviously wasn't allowing the team to play the lottery. And he left as a free agent. Now yeah, he joined up with existing AllStars, but these three AllStars didn't have the luxury of management doing a better job of cultivating players with potential. And who's to say LeBron wasn't the one who was talked into this by Wade or Bosh, they ass was losing too. The only solution to this thing is for management to involve the players when they make personnel moves. I wouldn't wanna be hobbled, broken down, prideful millionaire with no rings.

 

[hALF_pAST_7EVEN]

A.I had two 50 plus win seasons in denver... Guys like MElo, J.R Smith, had their best seasons effecient wise when A.I ranned point.. MElo @ 47% & 49... JR @ 44.8% & 46%

While Billups only had 3 seasons where he averaged 7+ assist. 4 if u count that one season he had 6.8 assist...A.I had 6 seasons where he AVG 7+ assist... 8 seasons if u count the seasons he had 6.8, & 6.9 asstist..

aside from that one year The nuggets went to the WCF, Billups hadn't done anything A.I didn't, which was win 50 plus games n lose in the 1st round...

the detroit situation is a different case i'm making no excuses 4 A.I, he handle that one poorly Pistons coaching staff handled it poorly too...

Also a.i was out of it, being traded from the nuggets hurt-ed. him cause in Phili he was the man he was pampered all his career, than 2 have 2 successful seasons in denver and then be traded hurted A.I...

and for any player who play with heart that will affect their game...

i understand the assist were there

but a.i. decision making weren't good

he was turning the ball over and looked indecisive should he shoot the ball or pass

a.i. avg 4 turnovers a game to chauncey's 2

just overall billups manages the game better and i thought a.i. natural role was just to concentrate on scoring