So is Lebron James Stomach turning or what ? (i know he is feeling sick)

[UPTOWN]

You sir are an idiot.

Im not even gonna destroy your Ai point..

i wanna see the ai point destroyed LOL ... that shit does have some merit to it

 

[rage]

And let's make it clear, in both of those cases the number 2 was developed over time to be in the discussion. Yeah both MJ and Shaq were known stars on those respective teams, but neither Pippen nor Kobe came to those teams as stars. They developed into stars as part of the team. Again that's completely different than nowadays where Top 10 players who should be leading their own teams are joining to create supersquads and circumventing the process of having to play real competition night in and night out.

So this is the only formula then? This is the only way that a team can be allowed to be dominant?? GTFOH with this bullshit.

So in your world a great player has to wait for his GM to make an extraordinary draft pick,
THEN hope that the organization hires the right coach that will develop this talent into a top 50 caliber player,
THEN hope that this player stays on the same team when he gets that good and doesnt want to make more money somewhere else,
THEN hope that your owner is willing to spend enough money to keep that second player there,
THEN hope that your owner is willing to spend some more to put a good set or role players around you
THEN its ok to win CHIPS and be dominante

ALL the while you've never had a choice in coming to this team, with this owner and this management because you were drafted right out of College. So where the fuck does competing come into any of this?? All as opposed to a player saying I choose the team I play for, I choose the organization I want to be a part of.....

This is some retarded ass logic.

 

[playmaker88]

i wanna see the ai point destroyed LOL ... that shit does have some merit to it

Ok ive done this 1 milllion times.. here is the cliff notes..

basically he couldnt co-exist with anyone.. was a pain in the ass to coach, didnt make anyone better, the team was built around him egoless players to rebound and defend.. the way he wanted it, They put up with shit for iverson for years, was he great player yes, alto of heart but he wasnt a winner, every team he left got better in som measure, He is great but was victim of his own confidence,

 

[UPTOWN]

And let's make it clear, in both of those cases the number 2 was developed over time to be in the discussion. Yeah both MJ and Shaq were known stars on those respective teams, but neither Pippen nor Kobe came to those teams as stars. They developed into stars as part of the team. Again that's completely different than nowadays where Top 10 players who should be leading their own teams are joining to create supersquads and circumventing the process of having to play real competition night in and night out.

ok so who's the guy who developed into a star at cleveland??? i think that just proved lebrons point LOL

this is the same shit that happened to barkley and AI in philly .... no player ever developed and they never got ANY help ... now they are titleless and out of the goat discussion. you know how many titles barkley could have won?? but did anyone complain when he went to phoenix, a team that had already won over 50 games the year BEFORE barkley suited up, a team that already had a couple all stars and were already contenders for the ship??

dont get it twisted, im not the biggest fans of "superteams" ... but i do understand why cats dont just hope and pray things fall into place too

when bosh wade and bron got together, nobody who really knew basketball had them in finals. they did better than we thought and they still didnt win it. the point is that you cant predict how "brand name" players are gonna play when together. how many times are we gonna sit here and watch the lakers and celtics play???

 

[UPTOWN]

Ok ive done this 1 milllion times.. here is the cliff notes..

basically he couldnt co-exist with anyone.. was a pain in the ass to coach, didnt make anyone better, the team was built around him egoless players to rebound and defend.. the way he wanted it, They put up with shit for iverson for years, was he great player yes, alto of heart but he wasnt a winner, every team he left got better in som measure, He is great but was victim of his own confidence,

LOL fam youre talking to a sixers fan you sound just like one of those square ass media reporter ass niggas. same thing you say is said about rondo too

this is what it comes down to ............... do you need to see a list of who the sixers drafted SINCE AI all the way up to the 2000 - 2001 season?? how can you say he could never co exist with anybody, when the only guys he ever played with were guys who basically came in under his reign??

the year we lost to shaq and kobe the only thing close to help AI had was tony kukoc. every other good player on our team was a guard

here is a list of our drafts

2000 1 20 Speedy Claxton Hofstra University
2000 2 19 Mark Karcher Temple University
1999 2 18 Todd MacCulloch University of Washington
1998 1 8 Larry Hughes Saint Louis University
1998 2 8 Casey Shaw University of Toledo
1997 1 2 Keith Van Horn University of Utah
1997 2 5 Marko Milič
1997 2 7 Kebu Stewart California State University, Bakersfield
1997 2 8 James Collins Florida State University
1996 1 1 Allen Iverson Georgetown University
1996 2 2 Mark Hendrickson Washington State University
1996 2 3 Ryan Minor University of Oklahoma
1996 2 19 Jamie Feick Michigan State University

LOL nigga please AI's first 3 or 4 seasons were 20 games won (save the last lockout shit which was still under .500 even only playing 40 games)

 

[nycest_1]

2 is different than 3

just like 3 is different than 4 , ya clown

lol i see you obviously have no idea who else was on the roster at the time lol

but yeah it was two of the best prime players trying to unite to win a title vs playing against eachother

argue semantics and try to nitpick but its been done

 

[playmaker88]

... smh never mind nigga yall niggas are thick..

 

[nycest_1]

And let's make it clear, in both of those cases the number 2 was developed over time to be in the discussion. Yeah both MJ and Shaq were known stars on those respective teams, but neither Pippen nor Kobe came to those teams as stars. They developed into stars as part of the team. Again that's completely different than nowadays where Top 10 players who should be leading their own teams are joining to create supersquads and circumventing the process of having to play real competition night in and night out.

c'mon there were teams as far back as the 60s overloaded with talent

this is no different

lets talk about the real issue though, mismanagement

these players navigated and played their careers right to set up for power moves

and its not like there is only 1 loaded team and a bunch or bums. theres quite a few, so the competition is still there.

no one is a lock for ring

if the small market teams were taking notes they'd realize the blue print for winning as a small market team has been in place.

STOP FUCKING HOLDING OUT FOR BIG MARKET PLAYERS THAT DONT WANT TO BE THERE

if you know your big gun is in his prime or approaching it. and you can swing 2-3 all stars for 1 superstar PULL THE FUCKING TRIGGER

that old vet that was an all star SIGN HIM WITH YOUR VET MINIMUM, DONT HOLD OUT FOR A FUCKING SUPERSTAR THAT ISNT COMING

it kills me when these small market teams clear up cap space for big time free agents knowing damn well their city is a fucking toiletbowl (nj, cleveland) and they expect niggaz to give it all up and come there.

lol follow the spurs example (best small market team in the nba)

draft smart, sign vets, and develop your picks around 1 cornerstone.

if that example doesnt follow (it worked for the mavs)

follow the pistons example

its done wonders for the trailblazers and the grizzlies

1st sign of a big market free agent testing waters, trade his ass to that big market team making a run at an immediate chip and steal all their assets.

 

[aneed123]

LOL fam youre talking to a sixers fan you sound just like one of those square ass media reporter ass niggas. same thing you say is said about rondo too

this is what it comes down to ............... do you need to see a list of who the sixers drafted SINCE AI all the way up to the 2000 - 2001 season?? how can you say he could never co exist with anybody, when the only guys he ever played with were guys who basically came in under his reign??

the year we lost to shaq and kobe the only thing close to help AI had was tony kukoc. every other good player on our team was a guard

here is a list of our drafts

2000 1 20 Speedy Claxton Hofstra University

2000 2 19 Mark Karcher Temple University

1999 2 18 Todd MacCulloch University of Washington

1998 1 8 Larry Hughes Saint Louis University

1998 2 8 Casey Shaw University of Toledo

1997 1 2 Keith Van Horn University of Utah

1997 2 5 Marko Milič

1997 2 7 Kebu Stewart California State University, Bakersfield

1997 2 8 James Collins Florida State University

1996 1 1 Allen Iverson Georgetown University

1996 2 2 Mark Hendrickson Washington State University

1996 2 3 Ryan Minor University of Oklahoma

1996 2 19 Jamie Feick Michigan State University

LOL nigga please AI's first 3 or 4 seasons were 20 games won (save the last lockout shit which was still under .500 even only playing 40 games)

good post but with that said AI did have talent with him in Philly He and Stackhouse coulda worked if either put egos aside. Tim Thomas was there I think, Larry Hughes, Kukoc.... Philly made a choice and decided to make it AI and a bunch of role players and they did alright. But lets not act like he was the greatest teammate. Im a huge AI fan but the truth is the truth

 

[playmaker88]

good post but with that said AI did have talent with him in Philly He and Stackhouse coulda worked if either put egos aside. Tim Thomas was there I think, Larry Hughes, Kukoc.... Philly made a choice and decided to make it AI and a bunch of role players and they did alright. But lets not act like he was the greatest teammate. Im a huge AI fan but the truth is the truth

And this is what i have been saying for years.

 

[hALF_pAST_7EVEN]

a.i. had his chances with denver and detroit but the chemistry weren't there

the problem i had with them there was the fact he was a undersized 2 guard and that was his position in philly

but when he went to denver and Detroit they made him play pg

he's not efficient enough and had too much of a street ball mentality to run the offense like that

all a.i. wanted to do was shoot and pick pocket people on defense

a.i. my nigga and my 2nd fav player of all time but he just didn't change his game enough to accommodate for his size and stature

just my two cents

 

[playmaker88]

a.i. had his chances with denver and detroit but the chemistry weren't there

the problem i had with them there was the fact he was a undersized 2 guard and that was his position in philly

but when he went to denver and Detroit they made him play pg

he's not efficient enough and had too much of a street ball mentality to run the offense like that

all a.i. wanted to do was shoot and pick pocket people on defense

a.i. my nigga and my 2nd fav player of all time but he just didn't change his game enough to accommodate for his size and stature

just my two cents

Thing is he should have been a second option or PG at the start instead of the man but a lil self sacrifice would have made him a winner and a more effective if not better player.

 

[UPTOWN]

good post but with that said AI did have talent with him in Philly He and Stackhouse coulda worked if either put egos aside. Tim Thomas was there I think, Larry Hughes, Kukoc.... Philly made a choice and decided to make it AI and a bunch of role players and they did alright. But lets not act like he was the greatest teammate. Im a huge AI fan but the truth is the truth

ok but you are admitting stackhouse had an ego too tho. its not like they were not getting along like kobe and shaq or some shit. the sixers dealt away stackhouse to get some big men, they chose stackhouse because of an injury and mainly because of their gut instinct to do so. this is who the sixers got for stackhouse

"Midway through the 1997–98 season, Stackhouse was dealt to the Detroit Pistons with Eric Montross for Theo Ratliff, Aaron McKie and future considerations"

REALLY ....... REALLY!!!! a straight up trade stackhouse for theo ratliff and eric montross for aaron mckie???? LOLOLOLOLOLOL .... the sixers traded stackhouse because they felt him and AI provided the same thing and we needed big men. the above is how the sixers responded SMH

a.i. had his chances with denver and detroit but the chemistry weren't there

the problem i had with them there was the fact he was a undersized 2 guard and that was his position in philly

but when he went to denver and Detroit they made him play pg

he's not efficient enough and had too much of a street ball mentality to run the offense like that

all a.i. wanted to do was shoot and pick pocket people on defense

a.i. my nigga and my 2nd fav player of all time but he just didn't change his game enough to accommodate for his size and stature

just my two cents

im coo wit that ... AI could have won after his sixers stint if he would have humbled himself, just as lebron was i guess too willing to do
but in philly, AI had eric snow, there was no need for him to try and be a point guard

former partna of mines

props to that man for getting drafted!! you wouldnt believe how many guys just dont like the league once they get there ... he may have been one of those guys, but either way, still a horrible pick by the sixers.

Thing is he should have been a second option or PG at the start instead of the man but a lil self sacrifice would have made him a winner and a more effective if not better player.

hind sight is 20/20 cuzzo

the sixers didnt develop him as that and they never gave him any reason to even try it LOL

self sacrifice??? you telling me that AI and mutumbo vs kobe and shaq was AI's fault?? LOL the sixers are the only team to even beat the lakers in the post season that year

even kobe will tell you a one man show just doesnt cut it in the nba

 

[VulcanRaven]

Garnette was traded to the Celtics if I remember clearly.Also Garnette as a player is nowhere near Wade or Bron and was the only superstar on his team.Allen is a role player like Horry and Pierce is really a number 2 option.I have no problem with Bron in Miami,but ll the extra curricular shit was corny.Fuck Dan Gilbert though and I a glad that Bron left because it showed the bitch in him.

 

[Smo-King Locs]

nigga Boston players didnt have secret meetings and none of them were in their prime...... stop it. Most folks counted them out before they even played a game calling them old....

yea n the year before they join forces this were their stats

2006-2007

Players- --------------PPG- REB- AST- BLK- STL- FG%-
Kevin Garnett--------- 22.4- 12.8- 4.1- 1.7- 1.2- 47
Paul Pierce ----------- 25.0- 5.9- 4.1- .3- 1.0- 44
Ray Allen ------------- 26.4- 4.5- 4.1- .2- 1.5- 44

 

[Smo-King Locs]

a.i. had his chances with denver and detroit but the chemistry weren't there

the problem i had with them there was the fact he was a undersized 2 guard and that was his position in philly

but when he went to denver and Detroit they made him play pg

he's not efficient enough and had too much of a street ball mentality to run the offense like that

all a.i. wanted to do was shoot and pick pocket people on defense

a.i. my nigga and my 2nd fav player of all time but he just didn't change his game enough to accommodate for his size and stature

just my two cents

A.I had two 50 plus win seasons in denver... Guys like MElo, J.R Smith, had their best seasons effecient wise when A.I ranned point.. MElo @ 47% & 49... JR @ 44.8% & 46%

While Billups only had 3 seasons where he averaged 7+ assist. 4 if u count that one season he had 6.8 assist...A.I had 6 seasons where he AVG 7+ assist... 8 seasons if u count the seasons he had 6.8, & 6.9 asstist..

aside from that one year The nuggets went to the WCF, Billups hadn't done anything A.I didn't, which was win 50 plus games n lose in the 1st round...

the detroit situation is a different case i'm making no excuses 4 A.I, he handle that one poorly Pistons coaching staff handled it poorly too...

Also a.i was out of it, being traded from the nuggets hurt-ed. him cause in Phili he was the man he was pampered all his career, than 2 have 2 successful seasons in denver and then be traded hurted A.I...
and for any player who play with heart that will affect their game...

 

[Smo-King Locs]

So this is the only formula then? This is the only way that a team can be allowed to be dominant?? GTFOH with this bullshit.

So in your world a great player has to wait for his GM to make an extraordinary draft pick,

THEN hope that the organization hires the right coach that will develop this talent into a top 50 caliber player,

THEN hope that this player stays on the same team when he gets that good and doesnt want to make more money somewhere else,

THEN hope that your owner is willing to spend enough money to keep that second player there,

THEN hope that your owner is willing to spend some more to put a good set or role players around you

THEN its ok to win CHIPS and be dominante

ALL the while you've never had a choice in coming to this team, with this owner and this management because you were drafted right out of College. So where the fuck does competing come into any of this?? All as opposed to a player saying I choose the team I play for, I choose the organization I want to be a part of.....

This is some retarded ass logic.

U B Killin Em, Homie U Iz Killen em OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo

 

[blackrain]

Or you know...fans of actual competition. Most of us could see what the Heat did turning into a trend. Consolidating all the talent on a few specific teams in a league that's already pretty diluted is not a good thing.

but what people fail to realize is, so long as there's free agency at the end of a contract you can't stop a player from going to a team they may really want to go to that can afford to pay them..LeBron was a free agent and went to Miami...that's different than forcing a team to trade you

 

[Louis Cipher]

i bet he didnt realize what type of impact his decision was gonna cause in the long run........

i remember back when he made the decision some of us fans already knew that him doing that was

gonna cause other players to follow the same lead........

but its obvious he didnt realize that, cause he joined miami so he can have a easy road to the finals

(thinking boston was gonna be the only team out east he would have to compete with)

and even though he had a chance to succeed last year he still fucked up

but now, his easy road to the finals, is gonna be even bumpier because not only he gotta deal with

old ass

boston

but now he gotta deal

with the bulls

also the knicks, (especially if they get chandler or even chris paul)

the nj nets, (if they get dwight howard)

and there is no need for me to even mention the teams out west, because we all know the west obviously the stronger conference....

so my questioning to u guys is

IS lebron stomach turning right now as he hear all these transactions go down

knowing that he made it difficult on himself to get to the finals ? or even win a title now

(by the way its obvious that when lebron stated he wasn't only gonna win 1, but 2, 3,4,5,6, champions, that he thought miami

was gonna be a dynasty and no other team would be able to compete)

oh boy was he sadly mistaken

lol...the bulls arent any better than they were last year...and boston is older...and right now until howard gets traded...orlando is better than the nets...the knicks? lol still wont be playing defense.

i havent seen anything yet to make me believe any of the teams in the east are better than the heat.

and as for the west? who cares? they only have to beat one of them for the chip.....

and no im not a heat stan...i just watch the game

 

[Smo-King Locs]

Or you know...fans of actual competition. Most of us could see what the Heat did turning into a trend. Consolidating all the talent on a few specific teams in a league that's already pretty diluted is not a good thing.

what compettition???

lets keep it real, prior to the tip off of any NBA season u already have an idea of the playoff's picture 85% of the time....

here is a list of The NBA the Finals Match Ups, since 1970'

Year-----West--------East
1970:---Lakers-------Knicks
1971:---Bucks--------Bullets (Wizards)
1972:---Lakers-------Knicks
1973:---Lakers-------Knicks
1974:---Bucks--------Celtics
1975:---Warriors----Bullets (Wizards)
1976:---Suns---------Celtics
1977:---Blazers------76ERS
1978:---Sonics-------Bullets (Wizards)
1979:---Sonics-------Bullets (Wizards)
1980:---Lakers------76ERS
1981:---Rockets----Celtics
1982:---Lakers------76ERS
1983:---Lakers------76ERs
1984:---Lakers------Celtics
1985:---Lakers------Celtics
1986:---Rockets----Celtics
1987:---Lakers----- Celtics
1988----Lakers------Pistons
1889:---Lakers------Pistons
1990:---Blazers-----Pistons
1991:---Lakers------Bulls
1992:---Blazers-----Bulls
1993:---Suns--------Bulls
1994:---Rockets----Knicks
1995:---Rockets----Magics
1996:---Sonics------Bulls
1997:---Jazz--------Bulls
1998:---Jazz--------Bulls
1999:--Spurs-------Knicks
2000:--Lakers------Pacers
2001:--Lakers------76ERs
2002:--Lakers------Nets
2003:--Spurs-------Nets
2004:--Lakers------Pistons
2005:--Spurs-------Pistons
2006:--Mavericks--Heats
2007:--Spurs-------Cavs
2008:--Lakers------Celtics
2009:--Lakers------Magics
2010:--Lakers------Celtics
2011:--Mavericks--Heats

Out West,

• From 76-96, thats' for 20 years, the same 5 teams were coming out West... Lakers(9) ,Rockets (4), Blazers (3) ,Sonics (2), and Suns (2)...

• From 97-2011 for 15 years, the same 4 teams were coming out West. Lakers (7), Spurs (4), Mavs (2), N Jazz (2)

• that's the same 8 teams for the last 35 years Lakers (16), Rockets (4), Spurs (4), Blazers (3), Sonics (2),Suns (2) Jazz (2), Mavs (2)

• and from 1970 with the exception of the Warriors, who were Western conference Champs twice in the 60's it's been the same 9 teams, who won the west Lakers (19),Rockets (4), Spurs (4), Blazers (3), Sonics (2),Suns (2) Jazz (2), Mavs (2), Bucks (2)...
  that's 40 years out of 41 years...

Now lets go east

• 1970-2000, aside from the pacers and magics, it has been the same 6 teams making it out east for 30 years; Celtics (7), Bulls (6), Knicks (5), Bullets/Wizards (4), 76ers (4), Pistons (3).

• since 1970 With the Exception Of the Pacers, And Cavs, It's Been the same 9 teams Celtics (9),Bulls (6), Pistons (5),76ers (5),Knicks (5), Bullets/Wizards (4), Nets (2), Magics (2), Heats (2)...

So Again I Ask What Compettition ?????????????