Since when did blasphemy become the standard in hip hop?

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

1. Sorry for not responding to your post. As for your first comment, everything your talking about is all based upon your own ideas, thoughts, and conjectures. What you deem to be "right and correct" is meaningless to what God has said is right and correct. So you saying that God should act this way, God doesn't need to do this, God didn't have to do that is utterly foolish. God said that the shedding of blood is the only way for sin to be forgiven. This is Gods universe and He made the rules. So if God said that the shedding of blood is the only way for sin to be forgiven, well then that's the only way sin can be forgiven. So everything that your talking about is meaningless. If you don't like it, you can go and create your own universe, which can abide by your own rules my friend. But as long as your in this universe, breathing His air, soaking in His sunlight, walking on His earth, and eating His food, your going to have to abide by His rules and regulations. Amen.

I'm coming to the conclusion of what is right through use of logic and reason applicable for the universe that we currently reside in, given the facts of our reality. I didn't make anything up. Whether God created the rules or not is not the point; my point is, God is breaking his own rules if he indeed made them.

Also, my argument on needing a means to reach an end still stands. The fact that God has to go through a process to do something infers that he is not omnipotent; it means that there are laws that stand above his will.

And the thought that an all powerful, all wise god would succumb to human emotions such as jealousy and anger, prompted by immortal creatures that HE created, is wild.

1. How can you compare your logic and reason, which has been corrupted by sin and limited to it's finiteness, to the mind of Al-mighty God? How can you even make such a claim? What type of superior logic and reason do you have? Can your logic and reason see into the Andromeda galaxy and tell me what's there? Can your logic and reason number and name all the stars of the universe? Can your logic and reason determine the course of all the planetary bodies that exist? Can your logic and reason create elements ex nihilo? Come on bro, get serious for a minute. Your talking out of your behind like you know better than God and thus you hold all of creation in your hand because of your logic and reasoning. Your argument is ridiculous.

2. The whole point of being Omnipotent is doing as you please. So your other argument falls flat on it's face. Who can defeat God and put out His light? LOL! Tell me who? Omnipotence declares that whatever you do will always prosper and nobody can thwart your plan! I just can't even imagine how many pitiful souls there will be on the last day when they stand before the great white throne judgment, NAKED and UTTERLY DESTITUTE of any covering for their sin. The looks on those poor souls faces will be priceless. God will get the last word period. Nothing you say or do will change that fact. Yes, He is omnipotent! Thus I would advise you to submit to His will now instead of later. Amen.

@DoUWant2Go2HeavenThought God didn't like arrogance and taking joy in others potential misery? How you laughing at the potential of someone's soul being lost? That's Christian like?

I apologize for my post sounding as if it was arrogant or as if I was taking joy in someones misery. My words were not meant to convey a sense of arrogance or a joy of misery, but of amazement and wonder. So I do not apologize for speaking the truth of God, only for how you perceived my words to affect you when you read them.

The reality of what will take place in the near future will be glorious for those who know Christ and terrible for those who don't know Christ. So like the old saying goes, I would rather scare you into heaven than to love you into hell. Amen.

Only problem with using scare tacticts though is 1 they often operate on extremes so the actual message you're trying to get across gets lost...and it also states multiple times in the Bible that simply believing in God out of fear of being wrong is not enough to get you into heaven so once again you're suggesting someone do something not Christian like in order to gain God's favor. You're still not doing it "right"

I would like to see the multiple quotes in the Bible that you talked about in your previous post.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

1. Well since your logic and reasoning is superior to God tell me EXACTLY how many stars exist in the galaxy? I'll wait.

Logic and reasoning has nothing to do with any collection of items of knowledge. Logic is defined as reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity, or a particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference. Reason is defined as thinking, understanding, and forming judgments by a process of logic.

2. Definition of OMNIPOTENT

-often capitalized : almighty

- having virtually unlimited authority or influence

When you have unlimited authority or influence whatever you say goes. No one can tell you "No, that is wrong" and change your mind. That is why God is called the Almighty! He has prescribed the way that souls must be saved and because He loves us, He has provided the way that souls can be saved! Hallelujah! Praise God forever and ever.

Omni is a Latin prefix meaning "all" or "every". Potent is defined as having great power, influence, or effect. Power is the ability to do something or act in a particular way. Mighty is defined as possessing great and impressive power or strength.

Omnipotent is defined as (of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything. Its synonyms are all-powerful and all-mighty.

Your argument takes use of the word influence, which is the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, but I'm referring more to the power or the capacity to do directly, or will instantly, since by definition, if god is omnipotent, he can do anything he pleases indirectly as well as directly, having the ability to will ANYTHING into existence at any time. Being omnipotent, there is no means to a desired end. For example, let's assume I'm hungry and would like a pizza for lunch. If I were omnipotent, I could will that pizza into existence right before my eyes, then and there. Being that I am not omnipotent, I would have to go through the process of putting the pizza together and baking it before I could enjoy it.

1. God used Logic and reasoning to establish the heavens and the earth. Thus, the creator through His logic and reasoning knows everything that was created. Since you claim to have logic and reasoning skills that are superior to the creator, you would know the answer to any question that has to do with all of creation. Don't make big boy claims without being able to put on big boy trousers.

2. Your argument about what omnipotence is all about only strengthens what I have been saying all along. God does as He pleases and nobody can stop His purpose. That is what omnipotence is all about. Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Unlike the painting, God created humans with a free will. He didn't create humans with a sin nature. And just so we understand what sin is; sin is not living the way God has ordained. God ordained humans to trust, believe, and obey Him. Therefore, God gave man a test of allegiance. Would man obey God or would man disobey God? Well 6,000 down the road we see the answer to that question. The consequences of our first parents disobedience is clearly evident for all to see. So thus God is not responsible for man eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, just like a parent is not responsible when a child goes and touches a hot stove after the parent told the child not to do it.

The point of the painter/painting allegory is to reveal the flaw of placing blame on the creation of an omnipotent and omniscient being as opposed to the creator. If the creator is the creator of everything, we know that he created the person and the person's condition whatever that may entail down to the minute detail, including limited knowledge and understanding. Whatever happens to the human due to its conditions is not the fault of the human but of its god. That is the difference between a limited parent and an unlimited god. But even with our limitations, we as a society tend to place blame on the parents for acts that our children commit, so surely an unlimited god is responsible for the acts of his creation.

God demonstrated His love for His creation

1 Corinthians says that love keeps no record of wrongs. Conclusively, your god's love is not real love as defined in the Bible.

1. Again and again and again and again, you never fail to deliver my friend. Its the same old song and dance. The same tune your playing has been played since our first parents fell in the garden of Eden. Look what our Dad once said thousands of years ago:



"And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Genesis 3:12

Like father, like son my friend. Man has always tried to blame God for our failures. It's always the fault of God when we disobey. It's never the fault of the one who actually disobeyed the command of God. So your just doing what comes natural to you. I just pray that one day you would be honest with yourself and look at the man in the mirror before it's too late. Amen.

2. The blood of Christ cleanses the believer of all sin. But if you reject the precious blood of Christ, your sin will still remain unpaid for. All accounts will be settled in full on the last day. Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

Stop being a faggot, I said PROVE as in prove it 100% true right here, not "give proof for". The nigga has spent this whole thread playing with words and hiding behind them and I pointed out the inconsistency in his own argument when it benefits him.

1. I can't see the link. Maybe the bible should have a embedding coding section.

Circle is NOT an acceptable description for a sphere, especially not by a god or his messengers. Your sun/moom example is beyond stupid.

Also..... A circle is FLAT you retarded. Did you learn geometry in primary school nigga?

2.Why not bless man with full knowledge instead of incorrect information? Also you act as if man was in flying cars when the sphere theory earth was made across the globe(sorry I mean circle). People were traveling the same exact way when man came up with the sphere shape of the earth as they were when the Bible was written. You're an Book, computer, elementary, high school, university reject.

3. Circle is 2D. Your parents failed.

4. I'm in your virtual face confronting you, what diversions? The whole world studied the horizon. I never said the greeks thought the earth was flat. Can you quote me?

Except all of this is nullified by the fact that in Hebrew the word for circle and sphere is the same word.

So once again your original comment that "they thought the earth was flat" was completely erroneous and 7 pages later youre still ducking this fact like a typical moron.

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Hebrew has a different word for circle and sphere. Kill that sill shit, and...............

[quote="Onyx_Guard;5141873"]The earth isn't even a sphere. [/quote]

[quote="DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993"][quote="ShiveDreadz;5141946"][quote="DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5140876"][quote="ShiveDreadz;5140381"]Too many words being dropped...ill try to keep it brief.

You are BORN athiest, how is that an influence of some one elses ideals? If anything accepting someone elses "truth" would be giving in to influence.

This dude disciplined is really saying evolution isnt real?? And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

After contraception, the mass resembles a FISH as it has gills and a more aquatic shape. Later, as its body forms it has a tail like a REPTILE. The tail draws in and finally the creature resembles a MAMMAL and is born a HUMAN CHILD.

This all takes place inside of a woman during a -9month cycle. HOW IS THAT NOT PROOF OF OUR EVOLUTION?

Its disgusting how much pride you take in your ignorance....i can't wait until the world majority is rid of such a plague.[/quote]

Huh? So the different forms a fetus takes in the womb of a mother is proof of evolution? LOL! I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. Wow. Wow. Wow. I thought I heard it all. Wow. [/quote]

Yes actually it is, to see a fetus go through phases of earths earlier life forms and finally become a mammal is CONCRETE EVIDENCE that we humans are the end of a long evolutionary track.

I dont wish to go back and forth with you and the other idiots that deny evolution and gravity. [/quote]

If you want to trace your heritage back to a monkey, be my guest. But I just find it funny how people say humans evolved from ape-like ancestors, but yet you don't see the animal kingdom starting world wars, murdering one another for skittles, and hating each other because of skin color. Yeah we really evolved from those lower life forms. SMH.

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Chimps have huge wars with other chimps. Vicious, a chimp will rip your balls off not to kill you but just to make you suffer. Go on Netflix or youtube and time Lions vs Hyenas war and see if animals don't go to war.[/quote]

I was searching youtube to see if I could find a chimp war that led to the destruction of over 72 million chimps, billions of dollars worth of damage to cities, and destruction of vast swaths of planet earth. My search was futile, but I did find TONS of footage of a world war that mankind fought which caused those effects.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The fact that the Bible is still in existence is enough evidence for anybody to believe that it is a divine book.

lmpao!!!!whole bunch of horseshit goin on in here

The truth strikes your soul deep, doesn't it my friend?

 

[ohhhla]

Pac was a deist.

He's different from you theists.

He believes God created the universe and dipped.

He rejects an afterlife and etc.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Pac was a deist.

He's different from you theists.

He believes God created the universe and dipped.

He rejects an afterlife and etc.

False...re-read my post(Tupac's own words) or listen to the interview again.

He didn't believe in the traditional/organized way.

 

[Bodhi]

Your gayness has nothing to do with me wondering why you're avoiding my responses.

I don't even know who in the fuck you are? West Brooklyn? Jaded Righteousness? Now you're Roots Oceanic..wth?

You had more name changes on here than a muthafucka...are you e-mentally stable?

tell me how changing youe name denotes mental instability. Youre fooling yourself if you believe that you are being clever. People change avis all the time. Whats the difference? And the fact that you remember my s/n of past tells me you know exactly who I am. Dont lie to me. How about instead of pussy footing around a real debate, you say something intelligent and on topic? If not, stop responding or I can do it for you. But just dont pull shit out your ass that you cant defend. Mark this post as feelings or wack, flag me if I offended you, son.

 

[Bodhi]

so i got a question for those who believe that they came from a monkey, the human body is one of the most sophisicated work of art ever created that the body function works in harmony and in order like the universe, so yall telling me that this body that can not be duplicate by the hands of man just Evolve from a fuckin cell to an ape.

now think before you answer.

You should have thought before you asked this question....you saying the earth is only a few thousand years old?

never said the earth 4000 years old, come on mayne you just setting yourself up

I'd be setting myself up had I assumed that's what you thought but I didn't I asked first instead. That does wonders for not making an ass out yourself. The way you worded that question though isn't too bright though

catching feelings i say, u mad because i started my question for those who believe they came from Monkeys is that what this all about

You might want to rephrase the question. Most intelligent people know that man comes from ape like ancestors, not monkeys or monkey like ancestors. I would have answered it but I dont believe we came from monkeys so I chose to skip it and let you get a response from someone who does

 

[Bodhi]

1. Well since your logic and reasoning is superior to God tell me EXACTLY how many stars exist in the galaxy? I'll wait.

Logic and reasoning has nothing to do with any collection of items of knowledge. Logic is defined as reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity, or a particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference. Reason is defined as thinking, understanding, and forming judgments by a process of logic.

2. Definition of OMNIPOTENT

-often capitalized : almighty

- having virtually unlimited authority or influence

When you have unlimited authority or influence whatever you say goes. No one can tell you "No, that is wrong" and change your mind. That is why God is called the Almighty! He has prescribed the way that souls must be saved and because He loves us, He has provided the way that souls can be saved! Hallelujah! Praise God forever and ever.

Omni is a Latin prefix meaning "all" or "every". Potent is defined as having great power, influence, or effect. Power is the ability to do something or act in a particular way. Mighty is defined as possessing great and impressive power or strength.

Omnipotent is defined as (of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything. Its synonyms are all-powerful and all-mighty.

Your argument takes use of the word influence, which is the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, but I'm referring more to the power or the capacity to do directly, or will instantly, since by definition, if god is omnipotent, he can do anything he pleases indirectly as well as directly, having the ability to will ANYTHING into existence at any time. Being omnipotent, there is no means to a desired end. For example, let's assume I'm hungry and would like a pizza for lunch. If I were omnipotent, I could will that pizza into existence right before my eyes, then and there. Being that I am not omnipotent, I would have to go through the process of putting the pizza together and baking it before I could enjoy it.

1. God used Logic and reasoning to establish the heavens and the earth. Thus, the creator through His logic and reasoning knows everything that was created. Since you claim to have logic and reasoning skills that are superior to the creator, you would know the answer to any question that has to do with all of creation. Don't make big boy claims without being able to put on big boy trousers.

2. Your argument about what omnipotence is all about only strengthens what I have been saying all along. God does as He pleases and nobody can stop His purpose. That is what omnipotence is all about. Amen.

Even with my limited knowledge, logic and reasoning tells me that the bible god does not exist. If you cant respond directly to why I know that, we aren't going to get anywhere here.

 

[Bodhi]

Disciplined Insight is like a fish out of water, flailing and flapping around. Lets see what else he can come up with out of thin air and off topic in a poor attempt to insult me. I'll have a little more fun before I throw him back in the water. Your arms too short, son

 

[blacktux]

I dont know why you are even going back and forth with a dunce that doesnt accept evolution. You are talking to a brick wall.

Most christians i know dont deny it, they just do what they always do...piggyback it on the miracles of god.

 

[TonyStaxx]

@Tony_Staxx Firm believer in a higher entity but not primarily focused on a particular religion

 

[Bodhi]

1. Well since your logic and reasoning is superior to God tell me EXACTLY how many stars exist in the galaxy? I'll wait.

Logic and reasoning has nothing to do with any collection of items of knowledge. Logic is defined as reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity, or a particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference. Reason is defined as thinking, understanding, and forming judgments by a process of logic.

2. Definition of OMNIPOTENT

-often capitalized : almighty

- having virtually unlimited authority or influence

When you have unlimited authority or influence whatever you say goes. No one can tell you "No, that is wrong" and change your mind. That is why God is called the Almighty! He has prescribed the way that souls must be saved and because He loves us, He has provided the way that souls can be saved! Hallelujah! Praise God forever and ever.

Omni is a Latin prefix meaning "all" or "every". Potent is defined as having great power, influence, or effect. Power is the ability to do something or act in a particular way. Mighty is defined as possessing great and impressive power or strength.

Omnipotent is defined as (of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything. Its synonyms are all-powerful and all-mighty.

Your argument takes use of the word influence, which is the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, but I'm referring more to the power or the capacity to do directly, or will instantly, since by definition, if god is omnipotent, he can do anything he pleases indirectly as well as directly, having the ability to will ANYTHING into existence at any time. Being omnipotent, there is no means to a desired end. For example, let's assume I'm hungry and would like a pizza for lunch. If I were omnipotent, I could will that pizza into existence right before my eyes, then and there. Being that I am not omnipotent, I would have to go through the process of putting the pizza together and baking it before I could enjoy it.

1. God used Logic and reasoning to establish the heavens and the earth. Thus, the creator through His logic and reasoning knows everything that was created. Since you claim to have logic and reasoning skills that are superior to the creator, you would know the answer to any question that has to do with all of creation. Don't make big boy claims without being able to put on big boy trousers.

2. Your argument about what omnipotence is all about only strengthens what I have been saying all along. God does as He pleases and nobody can stop His purpose. That is what omnipotence is all about. Amen.

Even with my limited knowledge, logic and reasoning tells me that the bible god does not exist. If you cant respond directly to why I know that, we aren't going to get anywhere here.

The difference is that you are supposing god is all knowing so he can instantly know at any time how many stars exist in the universe. I on the other hand do not know everything and I have never claimed to.

No amount of reason or logic, given my limited knowledge would give me the ability to know how many stars are in the universe but given what I do know about our universe, I can conclude that god is not there, based on logic and reason.

 

[Bodhi]

I dont know why you are even going back and forth with a dunce that doesnt accept evolution. You are talking to a brick wall.

Most christians i know dont deny it, they just do what they always do...piggyback it on the miracles of god.

Haha.. Its entertaining

 

[Bodhi]

I dont know why you are even going back and forth with a dunce that doesnt accept evolution. You are talking to a brick wall.

Most christians i know dont deny it, they just do what they always do...piggyback it on the miracles of god.

And oh yeah of course these brothers are being hard headed online but my hope is that they will think about it in their own time or either the lurkers who have doubts will be provided woth fresh argumentation. The only thing is I'm on mobile so I cant edit, I can only make new posts. Trying not to spam.

 

[thedesolateone]

The fact that the Bible is still in existence is enough evidence for anybody to believe that it is a divine book.

lmpao!!!!whole bunch of horseshit goin on in here

The truth strikes your soul deep, doesn't it my friend?

what truth? you are to misinformed even to debate and argue.your own words speak volumes

 

[waterproof]

so i got a question for those who believe that they came from a monkey, the human body is one of the most sophisicated work of art ever created that the body function works in harmony and in order like the universe, so yall telling me that this body that can not be duplicate by the hands of man just Evolve from a fuckin cell to an ape.

now think before you answer.

answer the fucking questions you guy's who believe they came from ape like ancestors

 

[thedesolateone]

no one in their right minds believe they came from apes

these are brainwash material

if you cant repeat the phase i dont know in honesty

you will be 'headed' in alot of stupid directions

 

[ohhhla]

so i got a question for those who believe that they came from a monkey, the human body is one of the most sophisicated work of art ever created that the body function works in harmony and in order like the universe, so yall telling me that this body that can not be duplicate by the hands of man just Evolve from a fuckin cell to an ape.

now think before you answer.

answer the fucking questions you guy's who believe they came from ape like ancestors

We are apes for the 5 billionth time.

We have their features, share their social structures, just as sexual as them. (Well, bonobos and Chimpanzees)

Yes, we're apes and we came from an ape-like ancestors.

That is a fact, you can't refuted it and blah blah blah