Since when did blasphemy become the standard in hip hop?

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West Brooklyn ;5142057 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141897 said:
"When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn't he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into?" Romans 9:21

You're still missing the point. The painter can do whatever he pleases with his creation but he should not fault his creation for doing what it does, given the conditions he created it with. Ultimately, the painter is the responsible party for any action that the painting takes.

Wrong again my friend. Unlike the painting, God created humans with a free will. He didn't create humans with a sin nature. And just so we understand what sin is; sin is not living the way God has ordained. God ordained humans to trust, believe, and obey Him. Therefore, God gave man a test of allegiance. Would man obey God or would man disobey God? Well 6,000 down the road we see the answer to that question. The consequences of our first parents disobedience is clearly evident for all to see. So thus God is not responsible for man eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, just like a parent is not responsible when a child goes and touches a hot stove after the parent told the child not to do it.

Over the course of our on-line friendship WestBrooklyn the same recurring theme continues to manifest itself in our dialogue. Which is your failure to look at the man in the mirror. Until you own up to your own sin by looking in the mirror and taking responsibility, you will continue to try to pass the buck until you reach the grave. But if you reach the grave without the buck being passed, you will still be holding the buck when you stand before God on the last day, and when that day comes you will have to finally face the truth without anybody being able to take the buck from you. Are you prepared for such a horrific fate? No one is my friend. No one is prepared to meet God apart from Jesus Christ!

But thanks be to God that if you come the way that God has ordained, through Christ, you can have the buck passed from you to Him. And on Him the buck has already being paid for with His precious blood. Therefore when you stand before God at the Bema seat of Christ, the judgement of rewards for believers, God will see Christ in you and not the horrible buck of sin, which Christ took upon Himself on your behalf. Hallelujah! But you have to do it His way, not yours. Are you willing?
 
West Brooklyn ;5142071 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141945 said:
1. God has spoken, is speaking, and will always speak. The question is do you hear and will you listen? On the last day everybody will hear and listen though, and thus every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD! Hallelujah!

2. God is patient. Your still breathing.

3. God is merciful. Your still breathing.

4. God is loving. Your still breathing.

5. For the unrepentant sinner, the moment that God requires your soul patience, mercy, and love will be over. Only the fearful expectation of condemnation, wrath, and judgment will await. But hey, that's what the unrepentant sinner always wanted to begin with. A chance to plead their case before God on judgment day. And they will get their day in court. Stunned beyond belief that they were raised from the dead, naked, and utterly filthy in their sins and trespasses. Naked they will stand before the Creator, Master, Ruler, and King of the universe whose splendid glory will blind them and expose them for who they truly are! Sinners who rejected His patience, His love, and His mercy. Therefore because the universal principle of reaping and sowing will be manifested on that great and terrible day for all of Gods creative intelligences to see, the sinner will stand before His throne ashamed, defiled, unclean, and silent.

God is not mocked. Amen.

1. Figuratively, then. And that means you can interpret whatever you want as God's word. How convenient.

2, 3 and 4. Means nothing if my final judgement is damnation.

5. Then God is not patient or merciful if I am to eventually receive such a terrible fate. If he is omniscient, he knew what he would do with me from day 1. His patience or mercifulness then does not stretch very far. Actually, since he supposedly knows all, his patience level would be 0. Also, the definition of love still stands and God has a lot of explaining to do for not loving his creation.

1. Well God doesn't only speak through His word. He also speaks through His Spirit, through His servants, and through His creation. But the question that still remains is are you listening?

2. Your final judgment doesn't have to be damnation. You have free will to change your destiny right now by accepting Jesus Christ as your LORD and Savior? Will you do it my friend?

3. God demonstrated His love for His creation, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Love is an action word. Love manifests itself by doing. It's not a feeling. Therefore, God showed how much He loves us by sending His Son to die for our sins on Calvary. There is no greater love than a man laying down His life for His friends! It's called sacrifice! And God did it before we were even born and before He called the world into existence! Hallelujah! Will you accept Gods demonstration of love today my friend?

 
ShiveDreadz;5142206 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993 said:
ShiveDreadz;5141946 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5140876 said:
ShiveDreadz;5140381 said:
Too many words being dropped...ill try to keep it brief.

You are BORN athiest, how is that an influence of some one elses ideals? If anything accepting someone elses "truth" would be giving in to influence.

This dude disciplined is really saying evolution isnt real?? And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

After contraception, the mass resembles a FISH as it has gills and a more aquatic shape. Later, as its body forms it has a tail like a REPTILE. The tail draws in and finally the creature resembles a MAMMAL and is born a HUMAN CHILD.

This all takes place inside of a woman during a -9month cycle. HOW IS THAT NOT PROOF OF OUR EVOLUTION?

Its disgusting how much pride you take in your ignorance....i can't wait until the world majority is rid of such a plague.

Huh? So the different forms a fetus takes in the womb of a mother is proof of evolution? LOL! I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. Wow. Wow. Wow. I thought I heard it all. Wow.

Yes actually it is, to see a fetus go through phases of earths earlier life forms and finally become a mammal is CONCRETE EVIDENCE that we humans are the end of a long evolutionary track.

I dont wish to go back and forth with you and the other idiots that deny evolution and gravity.

If you want to trace your heritage back to a monkey, be my guest. But I just find it funny how people say humans evolved from ape-like ancestors, but yet you don't see the animal kingdom starting world wars, murdering one another for skittles, and hating each other because of skin color. Yeah we really evolved from those lower life forms. SMH.

I never said i believed man evolved from "monkey", man is "monkey's" evolutionary cousin, not son.

All of those things (on a much smaller scale of course) you listed happen regularly in the animal kingdom. Animals fight and die over territory, food, and status all the time.

If you have another sensible explanation for why the human fetus goes from fish, to reptile, to mammal go ahead and shoot it. Otherwise drop another interpretation and scripture so i can click LOL.

All you are is a joke.

1. An ape is an ape. So you can play the semantics game if you want. But I guess monkeys love to play games anyway, so hey your only doing what comes natural to you, right?

2. Show me documentation of a world wide war of animals. Don't worry i'll wait.

3. Show me documentation of animals killing each other because the animal thought he/she had a gun, but it was only a bag of skittles. Don't worry i'll wait.

4. Show me documentation of animals forcing other animals to pick cotton because of skin color. Don't worry, i'll wait.

5. If you want to be a fish be my guest. If you want to be a reptile be my guest. And if you want to be a monkey, be my guest. I'll stick to common sense over here. Amen.

 
blackrain;5142683 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141876 said:
West Brooklyn ;5140993 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5140870 said:
1. Sorry for not responding to your post. As for your first comment, everything your talking about is all based upon your own ideas, thoughts, and conjectures. What you deem to be "right and correct" is meaningless to what God has said is right and correct. So you saying that God should act this way, God doesn't need to do this, God didn't have to do that is utterly foolish. God said that the shedding of blood is the only way for sin to be forgiven. This is Gods universe and He made the rules. So if God said that the shedding of blood is the only way for sin to be forgiven, well then that's the only way sin can be forgiven. So everything that your talking about is meaningless. If you don't like it, you can go and create your own universe, which can abide by your own rules my friend. But as long as your in this universe, breathing His air, soaking in His sunlight, walking on His earth, and eating His food, your going to have to abide by His rules and regulations. Amen.

I'm coming to the conclusion of what is right through use of logic and reason applicable for the universe that we currently reside in, given the facts of our reality. I didn't make anything up. Whether God created the rules or not is not the point; my point is, God is breaking his own rules if he indeed made them.

Also, my argument on needing a means to reach an end still stands. The fact that God has to go through a process to do something infers that he is not omnipotent; it means that there are laws that stand above his will.

And the thought that an all powerful, all wise god would succumb to human emotions such as jealousy and anger, prompted by immortal creatures that HE created, is wild.

1. How can you compare your logic and reason, which has been corrupted by sin and limited to it's finiteness, to the mind of Al-mighty God? How can you even make such a claim? What type of superior logic and reason do you have? Can your logic and reason see into the Andromeda galaxy and tell me what's there? Can your logic and reason number and name all the stars of the universe? Can your logic and reason determine the course of all the planetary bodies that exist? Can your logic and reason create elements ex nihilo? Come on bro, get serious for a minute. Your talking out of your behind like you know better than God and thus you hold all of creation in your hand because of your logic and reasoning. Your argument is ridiculous.

2. The whole point of being Omnipotent is doing as you please. So your other argument falls flat on it's face. Who can defeat God and put out His light? LOL! Tell me who? Omnipotence declares that whatever you do will always prosper and nobody can thwart your plan! I just can't even imagine how many pitiful souls there will be on the last day when they stand before the great white throne judgment, NAKED and UTTERLY DESTITUTE of any covering for their sin. The looks on those poor souls faces will be priceless. God will get the last word period. Nothing you say or do will change that fact. Yes, He is omnipotent! Thus I would advise you to submit to His will now instead of later. Amen.

@DoUWant2Go2HeavenThought God didn't like arrogance and taking joy in others potential misery? How you laughing at the potential of someone's soul being lost? That's Christian like?

I apologize for my post sounding as if it was arrogant or as if I was taking joy in someones misery. My words were not meant to convey a sense of arrogance or a joy of misery, but of amazement and wonder. So I do not apologize for speaking the truth of God, only for how you perceived my words to affect you when you read them.

The reality of what will take place in the near future will be glorious for those who know Christ and terrible for those who don't know Christ. So like the old saying goes, I would rather scare you into heaven than to love you into hell. Amen.

 
ohhhla;5143632 said:
This guy doesn't understand evolution.

We're primates, you fuckin bafoon.

The Bible makes a clear distinction between man and the animals my friend. Man is given the ability to fellowship with God and given dominion over the animals.

 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143722 said:
ohhhla;5143632 said:
This guy doesn't understand evolution.

We're primates, you fuckin bafoon.

The Bible makes a clear distinction between man and the animals my friend. Man is given the ability to fellowship with God and given dominion over the animals.

DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143722 said:
ohhhla;5143632 said:
This guy doesn't understand evolution.

We're primates, you fuckin bafoon.

The Bible makes a clear distinction between man and the animals my friend. Man is given the ability to fellowship with God and given dominion over the animals.

And yo bitch was created from one of my ribs, nigga.
 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143622 said:
ShiveDreadz;5142206 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993 said:
ShiveDreadz;5141946 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5140876 said:
ShiveDreadz;5140381 said:
Too many words being dropped...ill try to keep it brief.

You are BORN athiest, how is that an influence of some one elses ideals? If anything accepting someone elses "truth" would be giving in to influence.

This dude disciplined is really saying evolution isnt real?? And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

After contraception, the mass resembles a FISH as it has gills and a more aquatic shape. Later, as its body forms it has a tail like a REPTILE. The tail draws in and finally the creature resembles a MAMMAL and is born a HUMAN CHILD.

This all takes place inside of a woman during a -9month cycle. HOW IS THAT NOT PROOF OF OUR EVOLUTION?

Its disgusting how much pride you take in your ignorance....i can't wait until the world majority is rid of such a plague.

Huh? So the different forms a fetus takes in the womb of a mother is proof of evolution? LOL! I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. Wow. Wow. Wow. I thought I heard it all. Wow.

Yes actually it is, to see a fetus go through phases of earths earlier life forms and finally become a mammal is CONCRETE EVIDENCE that we humans are the end of a long evolutionary track.

I dont wish to go back and forth with you and the other idiots that deny evolution and gravity.

If you want to trace your heritage back to a monkey, be my guest. But I just find it funny how people say humans evolved from ape-like ancestors, but yet you don't see the animal kingdom starting world wars, murdering one another for skittles, and hating each other because of skin color. Yeah we really evolved from those lower life forms. SMH.

I never said i believed man evolved from "monkey", man is "monkey's" evolutionary cousin, not son.

All of those things (on a much smaller scale of course) you listed happen regularly in the animal kingdom. Animals fight and die over territory, food, and status all the time.

If you have another sensible explanation for why the human fetus goes from fish, to reptile, to mammal go ahead and shoot it. Otherwise drop another interpretation and scripture so i can click LOL.

All you are is a joke.

1. An ape is an ape. So you can play the semantics game if you want. But I guess monkeys love to play games anyway, so hey your only doing what comes natural to you, right?

2. Show me documentation of a world wide war of animals. Don't worry i'll wait.

3. Show me documentation of animals killing each other because the animal thought he/she had a gun, but it was only a bag of skittles. Don't worry i'll wait.

4. Show me documentation of animals forcing other animals to pick cotton because of skin color. Don't worry, i'll wait.

5. If you want to be a fish be my guest. If you want to be a reptile be my guest. And if you want to be a monkey, be my guest. I'll stick to common sense over here. Amen.

6. Show me documentation that the bible is a divine book and not just some man made story. Don't worry I'll wait.

You blindly follow one man's word while questioning another. I question every man's word.

All of those things (on a much smaller scale of course) you listed happen regularly in the animal kingdom. Animals fight and die over territory, food, and status all the time.

The bolded is actually factual, and documentation can be found by anyone that feels compelled to seek that simple knowledge. Whenever you want to stop being an cult follower it will be waiting for you.

I didn't choose or "want" to be a fish, reptile, or "monkey"; Yet during my journey from a single sperm to an adult male i have been all of those life forms. So have you and every other human being. Those are facts.
http://wtfai.tumblr.com/post/6937590922/evolution-in-the-human-life-cycle
 
DMTxCannabis;5143726 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143722 said:
ohhhla;5143632 said:
This guy doesn't understand evolution.

We're primates, you fuckin bafoon.

The Bible makes a clear distinction between man and the animals my friend. Man is given the ability to fellowship with God and given dominion over the animals.

DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143722 said:
ohhhla;5143632 said:
This guy doesn't understand evolution.

We're primates, you fuckin bafoon.

The Bible makes a clear distinction between man and the animals my friend. Man is given the ability to fellowship with God and given dominion over the animals.

And yo bitch was created from one of my ribs, nigga.

Praise God!

 
ShiveDreadz;5143753 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143622 said:
ShiveDreadz;5142206 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993 said:
ShiveDreadz;5141946 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5140876 said:
ShiveDreadz;5140381 said:
Too many words being dropped...ill try to keep it brief.

You are BORN athiest, how is that an influence of some one elses ideals? If anything accepting someone elses "truth" would be giving in to influence.

This dude disciplined is really saying evolution isnt real?? And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

After contraception, the mass resembles a FISH as it has gills and a more aquatic shape. Later, as its body forms it has a tail like a REPTILE. The tail draws in and finally the creature resembles a MAMMAL and is born a HUMAN CHILD.

This all takes place inside of a woman during a -9month cycle. HOW IS THAT NOT PROOF OF OUR EVOLUTION?

Its disgusting how much pride you take in your ignorance....i can't wait until the world majority is rid of such a plague.

Huh? So the different forms a fetus takes in the womb of a mother is proof of evolution? LOL! I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. Wow. Wow. Wow. I thought I heard it all. Wow.

Yes actually it is, to see a fetus go through phases of earths earlier life forms and finally become a mammal is CONCRETE EVIDENCE that we humans are the end of a long evolutionary track.

I dont wish to go back and forth with you and the other idiots that deny evolution and gravity.

If you want to trace your heritage back to a monkey, be my guest. But I just find it funny how people say humans evolved from ape-like ancestors, but yet you don't see the animal kingdom starting world wars, murdering one another for skittles, and hating each other because of skin color. Yeah we really evolved from those lower life forms. SMH.

I never said i believed man evolved from "monkey", man is "monkey's" evolutionary cousin, not son.

All of those things (on a much smaller scale of course) you listed happen regularly in the animal kingdom. Animals fight and die over territory, food, and status all the time.

If you have another sensible explanation for why the human fetus goes from fish, to reptile, to mammal go ahead and shoot it. Otherwise drop another interpretation and scripture so i can click LOL.

All you are is a joke.

1. An ape is an ape. So you can play the semantics game if you want. But I guess monkeys love to play games anyway, so hey your only doing what comes natural to you, right?

2. Show me documentation of a world wide war of animals. Don't worry i'll wait.

3. Show me documentation of animals killing each other because the animal thought he/she had a gun, but it was only a bag of skittles. Don't worry i'll wait.

4. Show me documentation of animals forcing other animals to pick cotton because of skin color. Don't worry, i'll wait.

5. If you want to be a fish be my guest. If you want to be a reptile be my guest. And if you want to be a monkey, be my guest. I'll stick to common sense over here. Amen.

6. Show me documentation that the bible is a divine book and not just some man made story. Don't worry I'll wait.

You blindly follow one man's word while questioning another. I question every man's word.

All of those things (on a much smaller scale of course) you listed happen regularly in the animal kingdom. Animals fight and die over territory, food, and status all the time.

The bolded is actually factual, and documentation can be found by anyone that feels compelled to seek that simple knowledge. Whenever you want to stop being an cult follower it will be waiting for you.

I didn't choose or "want" to be a fish, reptile, or "monkey"; Yet during my journey from a single sperm to an adult male i have been all of those life forms. So have you and every other human being. Those are facts.
http://wtfai.tumblr.com/post/6937590922/evolution-in-the-human-life-cycle

1. The fact that the Bible is still in existence is enough evidence for anybody to believe that it is a divine book. Satan, his minions, and mankind have tried to erase it from mans possession time and time again, but have utterly failed each and every time they attempt to do it. Thus all they can try to do is descredit it by making up lies to deceive humanity. Here is a good vid to check out:

It has 3 parts, if it intrigues you will watch all 3 parts. Amen.


2. You've never been a fish, reptile, or monkey my friend. Sorry to let you down. But you've always been a human. Now we may act like animals at times during our existence, but you have been and will always be a human. A human who was wonderfully and fearfully created by God in His image and after His likeness.

 
Onyx_Guard;5141873 said:
Onyx_Guard;5141873 said:
The earth isn't even a sphere.

The argument was over the statement "they thought the earth was flat" not "is the earth a sphere". I proved the flat earth claim wrong, and instead of admitting the error he went on a rant about what is and what isnt a sphere which while a completely different argument than the one he started, it of course still was a roundabout way of conceding my point since spheres are NOT FLAT.

Now that he's conceded he was wrong again, I'll entertain this diversion tactic he's used since being proven wrong.

What is the earth?
 
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ShiveDreadz;5140381 said:
Too many words being dropped...ill try to keep it brief.

You are BORN athiest, how is that an influence of some one elses ideals? If anything accepting someone elses "truth" would be giving in to influence.

This dude disciplined is really saying evolution isnt real?? And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

After contraception, the mass resembles a FISH as it has gills and a more aquatic shape. Later, as its body forms it has a tail like a REPTILE. The tail draws in and finally the creature resembles a MAMMAL and is born a HUMAN CHILD.

This all takes place inside of a woman during a -9month cycle. HOW IS THAT NOT PROOF OF OUR EVOLUTION?

Its disgusting how much pride you take in your ignorance....i can't wait until the world majority is rid of such a plague.

Nigga. Please.

No need for you be disgusted

....this is what you believe in.

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No..I take that back you should be disgusted for believing and having "faith" in this.

 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143694 said:
blackrain;5142683 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141876 said:
West Brooklyn ;5140993 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5140870 said:
1. Sorry for not responding to your post. As for your first comment, everything your talking about is all based upon your own ideas, thoughts, and conjectures. What you deem to be "right and correct" is meaningless to what God has said is right and correct. So you saying that God should act this way, God doesn't need to do this, God didn't have to do that is utterly foolish. God said that the shedding of blood is the only way for sin to be forgiven. This is Gods universe and He made the rules. So if God said that the shedding of blood is the only way for sin to be forgiven, well then that's the only way sin can be forgiven. So everything that your talking about is meaningless. If you don't like it, you can go and create your own universe, which can abide by your own rules my friend. But as long as your in this universe, breathing His air, soaking in His sunlight, walking on His earth, and eating His food, your going to have to abide by His rules and regulations. Amen.

I'm coming to the conclusion of what is right through use of logic and reason applicable for the universe that we currently reside in, given the facts of our reality. I didn't make anything up. Whether God created the rules or not is not the point; my point is, God is breaking his own rules if he indeed made them.

Also, my argument on needing a means to reach an end still stands. The fact that God has to go through a process to do something infers that he is not omnipotent; it means that there are laws that stand above his will.

And the thought that an all powerful, all wise god would succumb to human emotions such as jealousy and anger, prompted by immortal creatures that HE created, is wild.

1. How can you compare your logic and reason, which has been corrupted by sin and limited to it's finiteness, to the mind of Al-mighty God? How can you even make such a claim? What type of superior logic and reason do you have? Can your logic and reason see into the Andromeda galaxy and tell me what's there? Can your logic and reason number and name all the stars of the universe? Can your logic and reason determine the course of all the planetary bodies that exist? Can your logic and reason create elements ex nihilo? Come on bro, get serious for a minute. Your talking out of your behind like you know better than God and thus you hold all of creation in your hand because of your logic and reasoning. Your argument is ridiculous.

2. The whole point of being Omnipotent is doing as you please. So your other argument falls flat on it's face. Who can defeat God and put out His light? LOL! Tell me who? Omnipotence declares that whatever you do will always prosper and nobody can thwart your plan! I just can't even imagine how many pitiful souls there will be on the last day when they stand before the great white throne judgment, NAKED and UTTERLY DESTITUTE of any covering for their sin. The looks on those poor souls faces will be priceless. God will get the last word period. Nothing you say or do will change that fact. Yes, He is omnipotent! Thus I would advise you to submit to His will now instead of later. Amen.

@DoUWant2Go2HeavenThought God didn't like arrogance and taking joy in others potential misery? How you laughing at the potential of someone's soul being lost? That's Christian like?

I apologize for my post sounding as if it was arrogant or as if I was taking joy in someones misery. My words were not meant to convey a sense of arrogance or a joy of misery, but of amazement and wonder. So I do not apologize for speaking the truth of God, only for how you perceived my words to affect you when you read them.

The reality of what will take place in the near future will be glorious for those who know Christ and terrible for those who don't know Christ. So like the old saying goes, I would rather scare you into heaven than to love you into hell. Amen.

Only problem with using scare tacticts though is 1 they often operate on extremes so the actual message you're trying to get across gets lost...and it also states multiple times in the Bible that simply believing in God out of fear of being wrong is not enough to get you into heaven so once again you're suggesting someone do something not Christian like in order to gain God's favor. You're still not doing it "right"

 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143448 said:
1. Well since your logic and reasoning is superior to God tell me EXACTLY how many stars exist in the galaxy? I'll wait.

Logic and reasoning has nothing to do with any collection of items of knowledge. Logic is defined as reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity, or a particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference. Reason is defined as thinking, understanding, and forming judgments by a process of logic.

DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143448 said:
2. Definition of OMNIPOTENT

-often capitalized : almighty

- having virtually unlimited authority or influence

When you have unlimited authority or influence whatever you say goes. No one can tell you "No, that is wrong" and change your mind. That is why God is called the Almighty! He has prescribed the way that souls must be saved and because He loves us, He has provided the way that souls can be saved! Hallelujah! Praise God forever and ever.

Omni is a Latin prefix meaning "all" or "every". Potent is defined as having great power, influence, or effect. Power is the ability to do something or act in a particular way. Mighty is defined as possessing great and impressive power or strength.

Omnipotent is defined as (of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything. Its synonyms are all-powerful and all-mighty.

Your argument takes use of the word influence, which is the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, but I'm referring more to the power or the capacity to do directly, or will instantly, since by definition, if god is omnipotent, he can do anything he pleases indirectly as well as directly, having the ability to will ANYTHING into existence at any time. Being omnipotent, there is no means to a desired end. For example, let's assume I'm hungry and would like a pizza for lunch. If I were omnipotent, I could will that pizza into existence right before my eyes, then and there. Being that I am not omnipotent, I would have to go through the process of putting the pizza together and baking it before I could enjoy it.


 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143517 said:
Unlike the painting, God created humans with a free will. He didn't create humans with a sin nature. And just so we understand what sin is; sin is not living the way God has ordained. God ordained humans to trust, believe, and obey Him. Therefore, God gave man a test of allegiance. Would man obey God or would man disobey God? Well 6,000 down the road we see the answer to that question. The consequences of our first parents disobedience is clearly evident for all to see. So thus God is not responsible for man eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, just like a parent is not responsible when a child goes and touches a hot stove after the parent told the child not to do it.

The point of the painter/painting allegory is to reveal the flaw of placing blame on the creation of an omnipotent and omniscient being as opposed to the creator. If the creator is the creator of everything, we know that he created the person and the person's condition whatever that may entail down to the minute detail, including limited knowledge and understanding. Whatever happens to the human due to its conditions is not the fault of the human but of its god. That is the difference between a limited parent and an unlimited god. But even with our limitations, we as a society tend to place blame on the parents for acts that our children commit, so surely an unlimited god is responsible for the acts of his creation.

DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5143572 said:
God demonstrated His love for His creation

1 Corinthians says that love keeps no record of wrongs. Conclusively, your god's love is not real love as defined in the Bible.
 
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ReppinTime;5141556 said:
ShiveDreadz;5140381 said:
And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

Stop being a faggot, I said PROVE as in prove it 100% true right here, not "give proof for". The nigga has spent this whole thread playing with words and hiding behind them and I pointed out the inconsistency in his own argument when it benefits him.

hiphop12345;5141143 said:
1. I can't see the link. Maybe the bible should have a embedding coding section.

Circle is NOT an acceptable description for a sphere, especially not by a god or his messengers. Your sun/moom example is beyond stupid.

Also..... A circle is FLAT you retarded. Did you learn geometry in primary school nigga?

2.Why not bless man with full knowledge instead of incorrect information? Also you act as if man was in flying cars when the sphere theory earth was made across the globe(sorry I mean circle). People were traveling the same exact way when man came up with the sphere shape of the earth as they were when the Bible was written. You're an Book, computer, elementary, high school, university reject.

3. Circle is 2D. Your parents failed.

4. I'm in your virtual face confronting you, what diversions? The whole world studied the horizon. I never said the greeks thought the earth was flat. Can you quote me?

Except all of this is nullified by the fact that in Hebrew the word for circle and sphere is the same word.

So once again your original comment that "they thought the earth was flat" was completely erroneous and 7 pages later youre still ducking this fact like a typical moron.

http://s18.postimage.org/5f7mi77dj/circlesphere.gif[img]

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Hebrew has a different word for circle and sphere. Kill that sill shit, and...............

[quote="Onyx_Guard;5141873"]The earth isn't even a sphere. [/quote]

[quote="DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5141993"][quote="ShiveDreadz;5141946"][quote="DoUwant2go2Heaven?;5140876"][quote="ShiveDreadz;5140381"]Too many words being dropped...ill try to keep it brief.

You are BORN athiest, how is that an influence of some one elses ideals? If anything accepting someone elses "truth" would be giving in to influence.

This dude disciplined is really saying evolution isnt real?? And reppin saying "give proof for gravity?" i mean i cant even take you idiots seriously.

After contraception, the mass resembles a FISH as it has gills and a more aquatic shape. Later, as its body forms it has a tail like a REPTILE. The tail draws in and finally the creature resembles a MAMMAL and is born a HUMAN CHILD.

This all takes place inside of a woman during a -9month cycle. HOW IS THAT NOT PROOF OF OUR EVOLUTION?

Its disgusting how much pride you take in your ignorance....i can't wait until the world majority is rid of such a plague.[/quote]

Huh? So the different forms a fetus takes in the womb of a mother is proof of evolution? LOL! I'm sorry but I just had to laugh. Wow. Wow. Wow. I thought I heard it all. Wow. [/quote]

Yes actually it is, to see a fetus go through phases of earths earlier life forms and finally become a mammal is CONCRETE EVIDENCE that we humans are the end of a long evolutionary track.

I dont wish to go back and forth with you and the other idiots that deny evolution and gravity. [/quote]

If you want to trace your heritage back to a monkey, be my guest. But I just find it funny how people say humans evolved from ape-like ancestors, but yet you don't see the animal kingdom starting world wars, murdering one another for skittles, and hating each other because of skin color. Yeah we really evolved from those lower life forms. SMH.

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Chimps have huge wars with other chimps. Vicious, a chimp will rip your balls off not to kill you but just to make you suffer. Go on Netflix or youtube and time Lions vs Hyenas war and see if animals don't go to war.
 
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J-Breezy;5133605 said:
What I don't get is that it seems atheists hate Jesus and God. How can you hate something that you don't believe in?

I want to understand how you can't believe in something greater than yourself. I believe that comes from mans selfishness and not wanting to believe that there is something over us. the way our bodies work, the stars, animals, plants you mean to tell me someone didn't put it there? I don't bash anyones beliefs I just want to understand the thought process that goes into why you think the way you do. I also don't believe forcing beliefs on anyone all you can do is lay it out there and if they don't take it at least you tried. That's where a lot of people get messed up at trying to force someone to believe.

@J-Breezy

"What I don't get is that it seems atheists hate Jesus and God. How can you hate something that you don't believe in?"

Because we don't hate them precisely for that reason...at least I don't, a lot of the just directly hate the religion itself, because they feel it oppresses human development.

"I want to understand how you can't believe in something greater than yourself."

I don't think I'm great, or special or anything like that, as far as the universe is concerned, an ant and I have the same value. The universe is a vast place, so yes, I think it's possible for life to eventually occur on it's own. Don't really have a reason to believe some otherworldly being created us. I believe it's a possibility we were created, but I don't think it's an omnipotent being that did it.

 
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Disciplined InSight;5144203 said:
you should be disgusted for believing and having "faith" in this.

"DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other."
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

Stay on topic and please refrain from rehashing old arguments that are not your own.

Disciplined InSight;5134842 said:
Smh at adopting an ideal Greco/Roman/European mindset..

You're just repeating things you heard and thought sounded good but really don't work out on paper and I'll explain to you why. You use the argument that atheists are stuck in a greco-roman mindset by not believing in an anthropomorphic being, which if we look closely, logically, you are also stuck in a greco-roman mindset if you yourself do not believe in your god being anthropomorphic. Luckily for you, your argument is flawed. It would make more sense to say that BELIEVERS are stuck in that G-R mindset given that they believe in the anthropomorphic being. Non belief in an anthropomorphic being isn't the G-R mindset.

Whether you believe your creator god is anthropomorphic or not, your belief is still theistic. Being atheist has nothing to do with Greek/Roman/European mindsets, but rather the non belief in theism, hence the name atheism (the prefix a meaning not or without). Have you forgotten that the greeks and romans were largely theistic? An anthropomorphic deity isn't exclusive to European thought. Take the African Vodun spirits and the Egyptian gods for example. And even then, all greeks and romans did not think alike.

"The Greek philosopher Xenophanes (570–480 BCE) said that "the greatest god" resembles man "neither in form nor in mind"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism#In_religion_and_mythology

I would also like for you to explain how you believe your god is not anthropomorphic, being that, to what I understand, you believe that your god is able to think (including judging and forgiving) and make plans like a human would. The definition of anthropomorphic is: described or thought of as having a human form or human attributes, or ascribing human characteristics to nonhuman things.

Maybe your argument is really supposed to be directed at believers of an anthropomorphic god, seing that assumingly, you don't believe in a god with such traits. That would make perfect sense IMO; what you're saying now doesn't, which leads me to believe that you heard someone else say that, thought it was cool to say and fucked up and got it switched around.

Disciplined InSight;5137467 said:
If a person is a believer then why does it bother you so much? To what effect does it have on your personal life

Belief has an effect on people worldwide, directly or indirectly. Example? United States politics. The republican opinions on abortion are influenced by religious beliefs.
 
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