Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

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soul rattler;c-9877781 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877601 said:
soul rattler;c-9877584 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877576 said:
soul rattler;c-9877540 said:
Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

I'm not speaking on behalf of most black folk. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and no one else. And I've made it clear that I'm talking about those of us whose family has been here for generations. If you're the first generation child of an African immigrant, I'm not really sure how you could have read my statements and thought what I said even applied to you. The average African American's connection to Africa is nowhere near that close. If you're try imply that's the norm or that I was claiming that no blacks in America have a close connection like that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

An attack can be as simple as an offensive action taken against another party. An attempt to discredit the life's work and efforts of another person would certainly fall into that category. However, this is really devolving into a squabble over semantics, which is pointless. That's why I amended my point to be discredit instead of attack, to avoid that.

Because my father is African and my mother's lineage goes up through slavery. So I can speak for both experiences. It seems like you can't.

While it is true that many people are unaware of their ancestry, it's also true that many haven't even tried or cared try because they think like you "I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!"



That's that bullshit.

lol Again, I don't know if what I'm saying is flying over your head or you're just not trying to understand. You can't speak for both experiences. I've been specifically talking about the majority of African Americans, who don't have that direct connection to Africa and have been influenced far more by their experiences in America than their African heritage. You can't possibly speak for that side because you have a father who has given you a connection to Africa. I'm guessing you've probably been to Africa and have grown up exposed directly to an African culture. Most African Americans can't say that.

And you may not know what a straw man argument is, but you damn sure can make one because the bold is a hell of a straw man.

My actual point: As African Americans we should learn more about and embrace African heritage, but we should also acknowledge and accept the American part of our identities because it has shaped us too.

Your version of my point: I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!

Ladies and gentleman, that is a straw man argument. Please remember that example the next time you want to avoid actually making a point by throwing the term out.

Bruh I know what a fucking straw man argument is. Just because you don't like being told you're using a straw man argument doesn't mean you're not using one.

@ the bolded, you don't know shit about me except what I've told you. So how can you tell me what my experience is? You can't. Just quit already. This is embarrassing for you.

You can say you know something all you want. If you wrongly claim something then you simply don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You not liking the word I used doesn't make the point a straw man especially since the word wasn't even crucial to the argument. It was just some side shit y'all harped on to avoid the actual point.

And I specifically said I was assuming. I never claimed I knew anything about you. If your African father didn't expose you to anything African, you could have just said that instead of resorting to bitchy retorts. My point was there even if you think I was being presumptuous, but you won't address that because you can't. My nigga didn't you say yourself that you had both perspectives. If so, you can't relate to someone who only has one.
 
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I don't like how Roland tap dances for the democrats but I'll watch his show if it's right guest or topic. I don't write him off - He's a refi my mortgage to go to Essence fest or inkwell type of negro.
 
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To the African / Caribbean immigrant argument - man if you're not a descendant of American slavery (that means Barack Obama and Eric Holder are not AA) you ain't entitled to reparations from USA
 
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Shuffington;c-9877747 said:
leftcoastkev;c-9877710 said:
Mister B.;c-9876651 said:
I'm just making notes of this dude on the show, and what jumps out:

First off - You mean to tell me that guys like Harry Bellafonte, Richard Pryor, Quincy Jones, and Sidney Poiter get no respect because they have non-black wives, even though they broke barriers in the entertainment industry while maintaining their black ancestry? FOH, Umar.

2nd - Him calling dude a coon was petty and childish as a muhfuck. "He called me a liar." Stop acting like a bitch, Umar.

Umar does have a point about white folks not doing much to anything at all about the systematic setup of white privilege.

This dude is hit or miss. He makes great points, but he goes full Hotep too many times for my taste.

Only addressing the bolded part of this post.

If you listen closely to the video that (get no respect) is what Roland said, not Umar. Umar said it will be "difficult to gain" his respect, he never flat out said I won't respect them. Roland stretched Umar words in order to create a narrative. Verbal chess.

Just a little clarity with no malicious intent.. Dr Umar made that comment on the breakfast club and Roland Martin was quoting his statement from the breakfast club.

...(30:30- BF Club Interview) "Thats why I can not respect, a black man who is not committed to a black woman"

Duly noted.

 
The Lonious Monk;c-9877801 said:
soul rattler;c-9877781 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877601 said:
soul rattler;c-9877584 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877576 said:
soul rattler;c-9877540 said:
Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

I'm not speaking on behalf of most black folk. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and no one else. And I've made it clear that I'm talking about those of us whose family has been here for generations. If you're the first generation child of an African immigrant, I'm not really sure how you could have read my statements and thought what I said even applied to you. The average African American's connection to Africa is nowhere near that close. If you're try imply that's the norm or that I was claiming that no blacks in America have a close connection like that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

An attack can be as simple as an offensive action taken against another party. An attempt to discredit the life's work and efforts of another person would certainly fall into that category. However, this is really devolving into a squabble over semantics, which is pointless. That's why I amended my point to be discredit instead of attack, to avoid that.

Because my father is African and my mother's lineage goes up through slavery. So I can speak for both experiences. It seems like you can't.

While it is true that many people are unaware of their ancestry, it's also true that many haven't even tried or cared try because they think like you "I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!"



That's that bullshit.

lol Again, I don't know if what I'm saying is flying over your head or you're just not trying to understand. You can't speak for both experiences. I've been specifically talking about the majority of African Americans, who don't have that direct connection to Africa and have been influenced far more by their experiences in America than their African heritage. You can't possibly speak for that side because you have a father who has given you a connection to Africa. I'm guessing you've probably been to Africa and have grown up exposed directly to an African culture. Most African Americans can't say that.

And you may not know what a straw man argument is, but you damn sure can make one because the bold is a hell of a straw man.

My actual point: As African Americans we should learn more about and embrace African heritage, but we should also acknowledge and accept the American part of our identities because it has shaped us too.

Your version of my point: I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!

Ladies and gentleman, that is a straw man argument. Please remember that example the next time you want to avoid actually making a point by throwing the term out.

Bruh I know what a fucking straw man argument is. Just because you don't like being told you're using a straw man argument doesn't mean you're not using one.

@ the bolded, you don't know shit about me except what I've told you. So how can you tell me what my experience is? You can't. Just quit already. This is embarrassing for you.

You can say you know something all you want. If you wrongly claim something then you simply don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You not liking the word I used doesn't make the point a straw man especially since the word wasn't even crucial to the argument. It was just some side shit y'all harped on to avoid the actual point.

And I specifically said I was assuming. I never claimed I knew anything about you. If your African father didn't expose you to anything African, you could have just said that instead of resorting to bitchy retorts. My point was there even if you think I was being presumptuous, but you won't address that because you can't. My nigga didn't you say yourself that you had both perspectives. If so, you can't relate to someone who only has one.

Damn you really are the straw king. All hail, your majesty.

I'm done debating you.
 
MarcusGarvey;c-9877872 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877869 said:
What's Eric Holder's background?

Think Bajan

Didn't even know that. I thought he was homegrown.

Anybody got a good resource for historical immigration demographics? I want to figure out what percentage of African Americans descend from slaves and what percentage of Euro Americans were here before the big migrations in the 1800s and 1900s. I'm betting blacks have a better claim on America than most of these whites out here.
 
soul rattler;c-9877873 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877801 said:
soul rattler;c-9877781 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877601 said:
soul rattler;c-9877584 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877576 said:
soul rattler;c-9877540 said:
Fam speak for yourself. I'm here because of my Nigerian father. You keep trying to speak on behalf of most black folk when you clearly have no position to do so.

Also, "discredit" and "attack" are not degree variations of one another. They're two different things.

I'm not speaking on behalf of most black folk. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and no one else. And I've made it clear that I'm talking about those of us whose family has been here for generations. If you're the first generation child of an African immigrant, I'm not really sure how you could have read my statements and thought what I said even applied to you. The average African American's connection to Africa is nowhere near that close. If you're try imply that's the norm or that I was claiming that no blacks in America have a close connection like that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

An attack can be as simple as an offensive action taken against another party. An attempt to discredit the life's work and efforts of another person would certainly fall into that category. However, this is really devolving into a squabble over semantics, which is pointless. That's why I amended my point to be discredit instead of attack, to avoid that.

Because my father is African and my mother's lineage goes up through slavery. So I can speak for both experiences. It seems like you can't.

While it is true that many people are unaware of their ancestry, it's also true that many haven't even tried or cared try because they think like you "I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!"



That's that bullshit.

lol Again, I don't know if what I'm saying is flying over your head or you're just not trying to understand. You can't speak for both experiences. I've been specifically talking about the majority of African Americans, who don't have that direct connection to Africa and have been influenced far more by their experiences in America than their African heritage. You can't possibly speak for that side because you have a father who has given you a connection to Africa. I'm guessing you've probably been to Africa and have grown up exposed directly to an African culture. Most African Americans can't say that.

And you may not know what a straw man argument is, but you damn sure can make one because the bold is a hell of a straw man.

My actual point: As African Americans we should learn more about and embrace African heritage, but we should also acknowledge and accept the American part of our identities because it has shaped us too.

Your version of my point: I was born in America! I don't know nothing bout no Africa!

Ladies and gentleman, that is a straw man argument. Please remember that example the next time you want to avoid actually making a point by throwing the term out.

Bruh I know what a fucking straw man argument is. Just because you don't like being told you're using a straw man argument doesn't mean you're not using one.

@ the bolded, you don't know shit about me except what I've told you. So how can you tell me what my experience is? You can't. Just quit already. This is embarrassing for you.

You can say you know something all you want. If you wrongly claim something then you simply don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You not liking the word I used doesn't make the point a straw man especially since the word wasn't even crucial to the argument. It was just some side shit y'all harped on to avoid the actual point.

And I specifically said I was assuming. I never claimed I knew anything about you. If your African father didn't expose you to anything African, you could have just said that instead of resorting to bitchy retorts. My point was there even if you think I was being presumptuous, but you won't address that because you can't. My nigga didn't you say yourself that you had both perspectives. If so, you can't relate to someone who only has one.

Damn you really are the straw king. All hail, your majesty.

I'm done debating you.

You never really started. You dodged from the beginning. I accept your concession though and applaud your commitment to that false narrative you're pushing.
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9877892 said:
MarcusGarvey;c-9877872 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877869 said:
What's Eric Holder's background?

Think Bajan

Didn't even know that. I thought he was homegrown.

Anybody got a good resource for historical immigration demographics? I want to figure out what percentage of African Americans descend from slaves and what percentage of Euro Americans were here before the big migrations in the 1800s and 1900s. I'm betting blacks have a better claim on America than most of these whites out here.

Believe Holder was born in the USA to Bajan parents - does not mean he'd be entitled to reparations, he's a product of recent immigrants. Neither would my nephew. This doesn't mean that recent black immigrants can't advocate for themselves and African Americans (descendants of American slavery) but the claim isn't the same
 
Recaptimus_Prime360;c-9877668 said:
Can't front...he made a valid point on the interracial how celebs speak for black issues, but a black woman wasn't good enough to marry part

Those 2 things have nothing to do with each other
 
2stepz_ahead;c-9876704 said:
Mister B.;c-9876651 said:
I'm just making notes of this dude on the show, and what jumps out:

First off - You mean to tell me that guys like Harry Bellafonte, Richard Pryor, Quincy Jones, and Sidney Poiter get no respect because they have non-black wives, even though they broke barriers in the entertainment industry while maintaining their black ancestry? FOH, Umar.

2nd - Him calling dude a coon was petty and childish as a muhfuck. "He called me a liar." Stop acting like a bitch, Umar.

Umar does have a point about white folks not doing much to anything at all about the systematic setup of white privilege.

This dude is hit or miss. He makes great points, but he goes full Hotep too many times for my taste.

why does it matter if hes hit or miss if hes in the game trying to win for us?

this is one of my biggest gripes.

US black people dont need singular leaders but we will attack those who take charge when so many others stand back or stand around.

since we are so diverse...we need people in all areas to be as great as they can be. then you take those people create a group that can speak to everyone.

just because 1 person will never be right 100% and we are not a unit...even tho alot of times on this site it is said but then contradicted. but thats another thing.

mlk was 100

malcolm wasnt 100

dick gregory aint 100 hhmph

no one is...can we stop pointing that out

as if coons and white people wont do that already.

an yes, i woulda called dude a coon too.....how you gonna call a grown man a liar when hes respecting you? chicks and bitch niggas do that shit. niggas might say you lying,,,but "liar" is for bitches.

the man already tense for having to answer for his degrees...thats fukked up.

hes tense to defend his point.

all can be understood and he handled himself good..even calling the guy a coon.

none of yall woulda took that shit in that situation all well and good. stop it

They dont hear you.
 
blackrain;c-9877418 said:
kzzl;c-9877393 said:
soul rattler;c-9876560 said:
kzzl;c-9876492 said:
soul rattler;c-9876323 said:
kzzl;c-9876303 said:
Umar, and folks like him, have spent decades giving the message that your favorite rapper is just now starting to put in their music.

Why is one able to make millions off it, but the other is reduced to a "pimp"? Theyre both giving the same message.

Whose favorite rapper? Hip Hop has always been littered with knowledge for the betterment of our people.

I wasnt trying to imply Hip Hop culture never had knowledge. So I repeat, why does your favorite rapper get props for kicking knowledge, but a fella like Umar doesnt?

Serious question, cause i have no reason to believe yall would of treated X any different. Reflects poorly on the shoe it fits, but id at least hope such a person was consistent with it.

The cache that Umar's name has speaks to the acclaim that his words have garnered. Just because some people don't acknowledge him doesn't mean he's not being acknowledged.

Umar definitely needs to exercise more self-control. His message is on point most of the time but he doesn't respond to negative criticism well. Like, at all. One "liar" and he's ready to go back and forth name calling. I look to Malcolm X, who never stooped to the level of his detractors. His poise alone made racists and uncle Toms look foolish.

If that's your only gripe, you're not who my original question was aimed at. I'm trying to hear from the niggas that cut these conscious cat's at the knee's.

Like hearing that pro-black shit makes them go, "He's pimping the black community".

I'm like with what? Knowledge, game, facts. Like a book? Like these niggas enjoy getting FBI visits, death threats, and risking they livelihood. They compare the conscious to preachers, preachers ain't gotta worry bout being targeted. The money is in cooning, so what sense does it make for them to not go where the money is? What sense does it make to stand up and risk getting shot, for teaching powerless negroes, if one wanted to pimp black folks? It makes none, which is why I don't believe that surface shit when niggas make that claim.

A good number of these niggas ain't giving facts...theyre giving their opinion. I saw a video of one of these conscious dudes talking about women having a menstrual cycle is unnatural and that changing your diet to a non European diet would eliminate it....really my nigga? These the folks you want to prop up?

Im propping up no one here, just trying give some understanding. Now the IC was more than willing to separate that black lady cop that was killed from all the crooked cops we hear bout, even while knowing nothing of her conduct on the job. It should be no problem to separate a nigga talking nonsense from the niggas talking with sense. Its what you should do.

And if someone is talking crazy PROVING them wrong should take priority. A conscious person worth their salt doesnt want you to just take their word, they welcome you to do your own research. So argue the information before the messenger. Use evidence, not ego. Cant be dismissing, or accepting, information simply cause it makes you feel a certain way. Unfortunately, i beleive thats what the majority of yall do on here.

 
http://www.theroot.com/we-fact-checked-umar-johnsons-hotep-tantrum-with-roland-1796798532

Thats the link to the whole article but imma leave some quotes.

So what happened to all that money he raised?

For more than five years, Johnson has traveled the country raising money to open the Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Leadership Academy for Black Boys, or FDMG, receiving donations from thousands of his supporters. In 2014 he informed the public that he was looking to buy the now-defunct St. Paul’s College in Virginia and turn it into a boarding school. When confronted about the specifics, he has refused to answer, as he did in this video:

Two weeks after that video was uploaded in January 2015, Johnson told a crowd that because people didn’t want to take their “lazy ass to the post office and get a stamp,” he had opened an account with PayPal. However, in the same video, Johnson informed his followers that PayPal had frozen more than $100,000 in donations because he didn’t have the 501(c)(3) status required for tax-exempt, nonprofit organizations. He then stated that he had applied for the tax-exempt status.

On March 3, 2015, Johnson created a GoFundMe page with the express purpose “to acquire and rehabilitate either the Historically Black St. Paul’s College in Lawrenceville Virginia or the Chamberlain-Hunt Academy in Port Gibson Mississippi.”

To date, GoFundMe says that he has raised $375,989 in the 28 months since he began his campaign. This does not include the cash he has raised through in-person solicitations at speaking engagements or the money that has been mailed to him by supporters outside of his online campaign. On Monday’s NewsOne Now show, Johnson told Martin that he has raised $700,000.

To date, no one has seen financial documentation showing how much money he has collected, or how he has used any of the funds. No one has seen a business plan, an application for accreditation or anything tangible that indicates he is making strides toward this so-far mythical school.

According to IRS rules, all nonprofit organizations are required to “make available for public inspection certain annual returns and applications for exemption, and must provide copies of such returns and applications to individuals who request them.” Plus, the IRS mandates that “no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization’s net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.”

This solves everything, right? Since Johnson said that he applied for tax-exempt status in 2015, anyone who asks for financial records for the FDMG school gets them, right? Anything else wouldn’t just be unscrupulous; it is illegal for a nonprofit to hide its finances, and there is video of Johnson saying that he applied two-and-a-half years ago for 501(c)(3) status.


But when The Root searched the IRS database for the Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey school, we could find no record of Johnson’s application, under either his name, the name of the school (there is a “Frederick Douglas Mastery Charter School” listed in Pennsylvania, but that’s not it) or any variation of the name. We even searched for the address he lists for donations—nothing.

As it stands, there are thousands of people who have donated between half a million and three-quarters of a million dollars for black empowerment and uplift, but no one knows what happened to their money.



But is he a doctor?

However, The Root searched every level of Johnson’s education but could find no proof that he holds a doctorate in psychology. But what started off as simple educational research has turned into a mystery.

The school Johnson claims he attended for his doctorate—the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine—also participates in the National Student Clearinghouse. It could not verify a degree under any variation of the name Umar Abdullah-Johnson or under Johnson’s birth name, Jermaine Shoemake.

Every doctoral candidate must submit a dissertation, and PCOM makes its students’ dissertations available online. When we looked through the university’s archives, we found a link to Umar Johnson’s dissertation, “The Relationship Between Self-Concept and Academic Achievement in African American Middle School Students: A Correlational Study,” which indicates that Johnson indeed submitted a thesis in PCOM’s doctor of psychology program. But unlike the other dissertations, Johnson’s was not available for download.

We then looked at the graduation-ceremony program for 2010—the year Johnson’s dissertation was submitted. He was not listed on the commencement program, even though he appears in the 2009 program as a doctoral candidate. In fact, we could not find any evidence that Johnson graduated from PCOM.

Mysteriously, a .pdf file of the program from every commencement exercise at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine is available online, except for the year Johnson supposedly graduated. In addition, 99 percent of students who received a doctorate from PCOM have their dissertation available online, but Johnson’s is not.

PCOM also posts videos of its graduation ceremonies online—the school has cataloged them on YouTube in a playlist—except someone has submitted a copyright-infringement claim only for the graduation ceremony that took place in the year Umar Johnson supposedly graduated.

The fact that Johnson’s dissertation, commencement program, graduation ceremony and every other piece of documentation that would prove he graduated from PCOM with a doctorate have apparently disappeared from the internet is either the biggest coincidence in the history of histories or he just may not have a doctoral degree.



When The Root reached out to Johnson by email and Twitter for comment on this issue and others, we received no response by the time of publication.


Not looking good.
 
kzzl;c-9878016 said:
blackrain;c-9877418 said:
kzzl;c-9877393 said:
soul rattler;c-9876560 said:
kzzl;c-9876492 said:
soul rattler;c-9876323 said:
kzzl;c-9876303 said:
Umar, and folks like him, have spent decades giving the message that your favorite rapper is just now starting to put in their music.

Why is one able to make millions off it, but the other is reduced to a "pimp"? Theyre both giving the same message.

Whose favorite rapper? Hip Hop has always been littered with knowledge for the betterment of our people.

I wasnt trying to imply Hip Hop culture never had knowledge. So I repeat, why does your favorite rapper get props for kicking knowledge, but a fella like Umar doesnt?

Serious question, cause i have no reason to believe yall would of treated X any different. Reflects poorly on the shoe it fits, but id at least hope such a person was consistent with it.

The cache that Umar's name has speaks to the acclaim that his words have garnered. Just because some people don't acknowledge him doesn't mean he's not being acknowledged.

Umar definitely needs to exercise more self-control. His message is on point most of the time but he doesn't respond to negative criticism well. Like, at all. One "liar" and he's ready to go back and forth name calling. I look to Malcolm X, who never stooped to the level of his detractors. His poise alone made racists and uncle Toms look foolish.

If that's your only gripe, you're not who my original question was aimed at. I'm trying to hear from the niggas that cut these conscious cat's at the knee's.

Like hearing that pro-black shit makes them go, "He's pimping the black community".

I'm like with what? Knowledge, game, facts. Like a book? Like these niggas enjoy getting FBI visits, death threats, and risking they livelihood. They compare the conscious to preachers, preachers ain't gotta worry bout being targeted. The money is in cooning, so what sense does it make for them to not go where the money is? What sense does it make to stand up and risk getting shot, for teaching powerless negroes, if one wanted to pimp black folks? It makes none, which is why I don't believe that surface shit when niggas make that claim.

A good number of these niggas ain't giving facts...theyre giving their opinion. I saw a video of one of these conscious dudes talking about women having a menstrual cycle is unnatural and that changing your diet to a non European diet would eliminate it....really my nigga? These the folks you want to prop up?

Im propping up no one here, just trying give some understanding. Now the IC was more than willing to separate that black lady cop that was killed from all the crooked cops we hear bout, even while knowing nothing of her conduct on the job. It should be no problem to separate a nigga talking nonsense from the niggas talking with sense. Its what you should do.

And if someone is talking crazy PROVING them wrong should take priority. A conscious person worth their salt doesnt want you to just take their word, they welcome you to do your own research. So argue the information before the messenger. Use evidence, not ego. Cant be dismissing, or accepting, information simply cause it makes you feel a certain way. Unfortunately, i beleive thats what the majority of yall do on here.

Accepting information because it makes you feel a certain way is exactly what people like Umar thrive on. People accepting what they're saying because it connects to an anger and frustration we all feel as black people in this country. They play on that. You can argue both the information and the messenger as both are equally important. You asked "what are they pimping the black community with" and say you don't get the criticism...then talk about separating the people actually speaking truthfully vs those just speaking bullshit. The niggas speaking bullshit is exactly who the criticism is aimed at.
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9877892 said:
MarcusGarvey;c-9877872 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877869 said:
What's Eric Holder's background?

Think Bajan

Didn't even know that. I thought he was homegrown.

Anybody got a good resource for historical immigration demographics? I want to figure out what percentage of African Americans descend from slaves and what percentage of Euro Americans were here before the big migrations in the 1800s and 1900s. I'm betting blacks have a better claim on America than most of these whites out here.

Good question but hard to really answer. If we go by the census then somewhere around 15% percent of us identify as either 1st or 2nd generation immigrants. Does that mean the rest of us come from slaves? No not exactly. The truth is no one really knows.

I'm editing because u asked for a good resource and I didn't provide one other than the census. It's very hard to do. Off top here are things We have to consider.

We know that the slave population was around 85-88% and the free population around 12-15%. To get a number we have to define if we are looking for someone with slaves on both their mother and father side or do we include just one side? Is it just u.s. slavery or the atlantic slave trade? We have to look at immigration trends since slavery. Factor in a small population of us descend from free blacks and many other factors. U will not find a complete study. U will only find best guess answers based off census data. They will say 80% percent because the slave population was around that number. They may add or subtract based off birth rate trends in the black community.
 
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Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.
 
semi-auto-mato;c-9878225 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877892 said:
MarcusGarvey;c-9877872 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9877869 said:
What's Eric Holder's background?

Think Bajan

Didn't even know that. I thought he was homegrown.

Anybody got a good resource for historical immigration demographics? I want to figure out what percentage of African Americans descend from slaves and what percentage of Euro Americans were here before the big migrations in the 1800s and 1900s. I'm betting blacks have a better claim on America than most of these whites out here.

Good question but hard to really answer. If we go by the census then somewhere around 15% percent of us identify as either 1st or 2nd generation immigrants. Does that mean the rest of us come from slaves? No not exactly. The truth is no one really knows.

I'm editing because u asked for a good resource and I didn't provide one other than the census. It's very hard to do. Off top here are things We have to consider.

We know that the slave population was around 85-88% and the free population around 12-15%. To get a number we have to define if we are looking for someone with slaves on both their mother and father side or do we include just one side? Is it just u.s. slavery or the atlantic slave trade? We have to look at immigration trends since slavery. Factor in a small population of us descend from free blacks and many other factors. U will not find a complete study. U will only find best guess answers based off census data. They will say 80% percent because the slave population was around that number. They may add or subtract based off birth rate trends in the black community.

Yeah, good point. It's probably very hard to get an exact number.
 
blackrain;c-9878226 said:
Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.
 
2stepz_ahead;c-9878338 said:
blackrain;c-9878226 said:
Maybe the nigga wouldn't be so tense defending his degree if he could prove he actually had a doctorate...niggas really try and defend him by just brushing over that shit. The man is trying to start a school and ya'll just want to skip over all evidence that has been found pointing to him lying about his level of education?

@2stepz_ahead Everytime the topic of calling someone out for being wrong you go back to the same retort of "Well who is right all fo the time" or "Why does someone have to be perfect in order for you to listen"...Do you not get that perfection isnt' the goal but being accurate is? You stay giving people passes for talking nonsense solely based on "Well, ain't nobody perfect"...no shit...but it ain't a bad thing to get corrected when you're wrong. Especially when you're in certain positions it's definitely to your benefit.

because......the message always gets lost

case and point...alof are mentally fukked up on the grand scheme. they have to correct themselves. the have to listen and learn from others. others that will their own shit...but it not about the shit you can find on them but taking the message they was trying to give without saying you can not tell me because....

one of my mentors was a alcoholic.....that didnt mean he couldnt teach me about business. i learned alot. he spoke about why he drinks like he does. it was none of my business . so that shouldnt stop the message but i could offer advice about alcoholism that i learned from family members.

if you cant allow mistakes from others....you are assuming you are perfect and can teach.

everything dont need to be called out when the problem is much bigger than the person.

do i really need marriage advice from him? no..thats not im there for. if he has a problem respecting me for who i married....thats on him. im not going to prove to him who i fukk wont stop my work because my work wont stop.

I feel you, but if you claim to be a leader and you do things that break potential unity that makes you bad for the movement.

Now maybe in his movement he only wants black people that follow the same rules he does. Then he can't say he's for the upliftment of black people like he says. He has to restrict that to being for the upliftment of Pan Africans and other like minded individuals.
 

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