qoolaide33
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I can live with him being a good coach. I'll let him coach my team. But he's not an elite coach at all.
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A$AP_A$TON
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rap doctor;2182460 said:
U must be Nate McMillan
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qoolaide33;2182396 said:
u dont make sense....chi-town phil jackosn took over doug collins team..and if you watch'd then during the piston vs bulls ECFs runs u knew they were(the bulls) a season away from over taken the pistons..tommy would of tell you that....and pop too...they had superstars..how u gonna say they took teams over the hump but doc didnt do that when he took a first year assemble team to the finals?? and won plus handing A PHIL JACKSON lead team to the one of th e worst finals ass whippin in history??
yea cuz first year teams always win championships right? Yup the heat are doing fine, the first year shaq and kobe got together they did fine, how about the nuggets when a.i. first got there, or when billups got there....or the time the lakers got g.peyton and karl malone..my point..is what doc did was enough to be put in the same sentence with pop and phil the only difference is he hasnt coach as long as them...
smh you given pop props and u admitt to him always having a good team, also with phil jackson ..but doc doesnt get props for taken the very first
super team" so to speak over the hump when everyone outside of boston didnt think they were gonna win a championship that year?
smh..and like i said...a coaching branch off of doc rivers is in the league now doing a great job as head coach for coach..how many coaches off of phil jackson's (for example) branch is doing that?
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If Lionel Hollins dont get a nod for the "right now" best coaches, then you niggas watching some other shit..
I'm a true NBA observer, love one team (Clips) but got my eye on every team in the league.
Memphis is making big noise.
Mind you Rudy Gay is on the mend he still out.
Battier was a good pick up and their bench (which was their weak like earlier in the year) is stronger cause of him and Mayo is playing with a chip on his shoulder.
Tony Allen has stepped up for them too, I like what he has done for them in relief.
I'm a true NBA observer, love one team (Clips) but got my eye on every team in the league.
Memphis is making big noise.
Mind you Rudy Gay is on the mend he still out.
Battier was a good pick up and their bench (which was their weak like earlier in the year) is stronger cause of him and Mayo is playing with a chip on his shoulder.
Tony Allen has stepped up for them too, I like what he has done for them in relief.
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And another right now candidate, Doug Collins..
Similar story.. dead in the water, then all of a sudden a big fightback..
Only thing with the 76ers, is that they have an easier schedule and they are a very lucky team (they been mostly healthy all year and always catch teams on their bad days).
I think their record is misleading, just because of those reasons.
And they got a weak squad in terms of the bigger picture.. they are just too young to do anything with it.
But for their efforts and turnaround, I gotta give congrats to Doug Collins.
Similar story.. dead in the water, then all of a sudden a big fightback..
Only thing with the 76ers, is that they have an easier schedule and they are a very lucky team (they been mostly healthy all year and always catch teams on their bad days).
I think their record is misleading, just because of those reasons.
And they got a weak squad in terms of the bigger picture.. they are just too young to do anything with it.
But for their efforts and turnaround, I gotta give congrats to Doug Collins.
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millz_flybridge;2183220 said:
Are you talking about Memphis or Philly?
Or both?
Well in Memphis case they are definitely doing well because the West (fuck what so called NBA heads think) is still tough and they are right there in the thick of it.
I actually think they control their destiny, as opposed to Utah and Phoenix who are chasing them.. Phoenix might crash and burn and Utah is playing horrible right now.
Portland is 7th, I mean thats crazy.. and Portland got a Coach of the Year candidate with Nate, but everybody already knew that.
But Memphis is definitely making a push this year.
They serious, just ask Brendan Haywood how he feeling about them.
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I was talkin about Memphis more than Philly, Philly is right around where they should be in the 7th spot...but witth the talent that Memphis has I thought they could be a real breakout team this year.
I got PHX making the playoffs, Utah is gonna fall out and I havent been sold on New Orleans all year so I think eventually they're gonna fall out of the playoffs too.
I got PHX making the playoffs, Utah is gonna fall out and I havent been sold on New Orleans all year so I think eventually they're gonna fall out of the playoffs too.
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qoolaide33
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ghost!;2183150 said:
You're definitely reaching on the bolded.
You're comparing the Big 3 to when Shaq and Kobe first was with Phil? Kobe was good, but he was like 20 years old and just got swept in the first round. Doc took three 8+ year vets who've been to conference Finals before. Payton and Malone were headed towards retirement. Carmelo's Nuggets made it past the first round once. And as much as the Heat are getting bashed, the playoffs haven't started. You're predicting the future? You're reaching buddy.
The Bulls may have been on their way to a title, but no one can predict 6 titles in 8 years. Not to mention without MJ Phil's Bulls was one game away from the Conference Finals. And I already told you how he transformed the Lakers after their All Stars left.
Pop always at least had Duncan, but he drafted and groomed Duncan. There are plenty of top draft picks that were busts, so don't act like a rookie Tim is like 10+ year KG. Compare Doc to Pop all you want, but he's close to 50 years of dominance. Doc has a while for that.
I'll give Doc his props, but elite? That's where it stops.
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qoolaide33;2183984 said:
I'm reaching..how am i reaching...i dont think kobe was that young when phil took over the team..you still aren't making any sense..kobe and shaq..pip and jordan..how is that look'd over or more impressive to what doc rivers had or did..so now we gonna discredit pat riley for having magic, kareem, worthy..etc..come one man...there's no reachin and my basic statement (any good coach, or someones you think is elite had great players..) u didnt not prove how phil or pop, what they did was more impressive...they had great players..phil inherit a great team with the bulls..u can say what you want about kobe being 20, but u cant say ish about him inheriting the bulls...and whose predicting the future..???
that makese now sense..since the bulls tile run already happen and we going back to my orig. point..all these coaches had great players...u trying to point out the fact that these coaches brought them over the hump.....so what did doc rivers do..kg, allen and PP had not won a title before teaming up in boston, nor had great playoffs runs (minus pp)? So i can't predict the future..u really seeing the heat winning a title this year? Really dog really? and what about the nuggets with melo and a.i.??? they didnt win anything thier first year..or melo with c.billips and billups came for the pistons who won a title, the nuggets were stack and could of beat the lakers but didnt....so again i'm making my point..just cuz you put great players on a team..they aren't guarenteed to win.....and the c's have been in title hunt since they been together and eveyone outside of boston didnt see that happening..or the run they went on last yr in the playoffs...
qoolaide33;2183984 said:
did they win a titel? Dont start acting like the years mike left the bulls, phils coaching that made that much of a difference..cuz mike came back and they still lost in a ECFs......come on man...i gave phil his props for managing the attitudes of the lakers when shaq got there..but plz if u think another coach wouldnt have won coachin shaq and kobe....how was phil after shaq left?? No more trips to the finals until he GOT ANOTHER GREAT PLAYER TO PLAY WITH KOBE...see how that works..going right back into my orig statement.
qoolaide33;2183984 said:
ha ha what...dog the tank the season to get duncan..that wasnt no big mind blowing scheme there..and duncan was already mr. big fundemantals..man stop..so whose to credit for rondos development...or big baby coming off the bench? if u given pop and phil for doing what they did
then how was doc rivers managing 3 hofers who hadn't won a thing? How was he able to get them all on the same page to win a title??? come on man...pop and phil been in it longer..so i'm not saying doc is better then them as far as resumes going..but stop with what they did to change their teams..they didnt do anything no other coach had done, and they had great players to booot.
jerry solan probably out coach them all....(and for the record i dont think phil jackson is a great Xs and Os coach)
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qoolaide33
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I'm not going to waste my energy on a Boston native anymore.
I already said I agreed that greats players and coaches go together. Doc just wasn't shit until he got a few. Nothing wrong with that. But one of the best... after sub-par seasons with the Magic.... Negative.
Niggas throwing around the word elite like breadcrumbs.
I already said I agreed that greats players and coaches go together. Doc just wasn't shit until he got a few. Nothing wrong with that. But one of the best... after sub-par seasons with the Magic.... Negative.
Niggas throwing around the word elite like breadcrumbs.
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ghost!;2183150 said:
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ya'll gotta stop sleeping on Doc Rivers he's been a good coach since the Magic I think he won the coach of the year one season with them and Tom Thibodeau got a lot of credit for the Celtics D and has Chicago's D at the top of the league this year too he deserves some respect
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