Rapper/MC/Lyricist (For people who say 2 pac a lyricist)

[Kwan Dai]

That's alot being said.

I'm a bit more simple. An MC is a lyricists and rappers are not MC's. Point Blank Period.

However, there are different types of MC\lyricists.

Pac to me was an MC\Lyricists in the mold of Chuck D, Melle Mel,Ice T and Paris. Very direct in their approach and\or very heavy in political and social commentary. This type of MC isn't the whitty, wordplay MC but an MC none the less.

 

[power_wisdom]

Look at the Dog Pound. Both Daz and Kurupt were dope MCs. But Kurupt was lyrical superior to Daz. Das still did everything a mc does. And he did it very well. But Kurupt had better bars. His word play was more complex. Nothing wrong with being an Mc. But a lyricist is a lyrical specialist. Another example. LeBron is a great ball player. He can hit 3 pointers. He can hit a few a game. On a great night he can hit more than 5. Curry can hit a minimum of 5 on an average night. And probably over 10 on a great night. He is a 3 point specialist. Not Lebron. Same theory with the lyricist.

 

[youngnick]

Lyricist: "a writer of lyrics" ...How is 2Pac not a lyricist?

But anyway, 2Pac is one of the examples of a great lyricist because of how deep/diverse his lyrics are. Being lyrical doesn't mean how creative you are with wordplay or how well you can flow..it's about the contents of your lyrics.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Look at the Dog Pound. Both Daz and Kurupt were dope MCs. But Kurupt was lyrical superior to Daz. Das still did everything a mc does. And he did it very well. But Kurupt had better bars. His word play was more complex. Nothing wrong with being an Mc. But a lyricist is a lyrical specialist. Another example. LeBron is a great ball player. He can hit 3 pointers. He can hit a few a game. On a great night he can hit more than 5. Curry can hit a minimum of 5 on an average night. And probably over 10 on a great night. He is a 3 point specialist. Not Lebron. Same theory with the lyricist.

You can make it complex if you like.

Lebron and Curry are both Great B-Ball players. Just different styles of being great.

 

[power_wisdom]

Lyricist: "a writer of lyrics" ...How is 2Pac not a lyricist?

But anyway, 2Pac is one of the examples of a great lyricist because of how deep/diverse his lyrics are. Being lyrical doesn't mean how creative you are with wordplay or how well you can flow..it's about the contents of your lyrics.

That's a a general definition. But in hip-hop music every rapper is a writer of lyrics. By your logic 2 pac was a battle rapper, because he was in a rap beef. Theres levels to this shit.

 

[Stew]

@juelz21 will let you know

 

[power_wisdom]

Look at the Dog Pound. Both Daz and Kurupt were dope MCs. But Kurupt was lyrical superior to Daz. Das still did everything a mc does. And he did it very well. But Kurupt had better bars. His word play was more complex. Nothing wrong with being an Mc. But a lyricist is a lyrical specialist. Another example. LeBron is a great ball player. He can hit 3 pointers. He can hit a few a game. On a great night he can hit more than 5. Curry can hit a minimum of 5 on an average night. And probably over 10 on a great night. He is a 3 point specialist. Not Lebron. Same theory with the lyricist.

You can make it complex if you like.

Lebron and Curry are both Great B-Ball players. Just different styles of being great.

So there no term called 3 point specialist? A lyricist is complex. Alot of the times they were looked at as the better mc. Example Beans is look at as a better mc than Bleek mostly because of his lyrical ability. Most would say Beans is a lyricist.

 

[5th Letter]

Shaq wasn't a great free throw shooter it doesn't mean that Shaq wasn't great at what he did. Pac wasn't lyrical but he made up for it in other areas. And he's a cultural icon and one of the greatest ever.

 

[power_wisdom]

Shaq wasn't a great free throw shooter it doesn't mean that Shaq wasn't great at what he did. Pac wasn't lyrical but he made up for it in other areas. And he's a cultural icon and one of the greatest ever.

And I said he was a great Mc. He was versatile in range with his conent, he a great flow and made great and classic albums. But some people say he was a lyricist and he wasnt. People rewrite the story of hip hop. Pac was no where close to being in the top 100 based off of lyrical ability only. It's not a bad thing either. That's why that call it top 5 MCs. Not lyricist.

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

I hear statements like 2pac was a lyricist. Which in my opinion is not so

There you go, you ended your own argument

 

[power_wisdom]

I hear statements like 2pac was a lyricist. Which in my opinion is not so

There you go, you ended your own argument

It's all opinion. Music is subjective. Whats your point?

 

[5th Letter]

Shaq wasn't a great free throw shooter it doesn't mean that Shaq wasn't great at what he did. Pac wasn't lyrical but he made up for it in other areas. And he's a cultural icon and one of the greatest ever.

And I said he was a great Mc. He was versatile in range with his conent, he a great flow and made great and classic albums. But some people say he was a lyricist and he wasnt. People rewrite the story of hip hop. Pac was no where close to being in the top 100 based off of lyrical ability only. It's not a bad thing either. That's why that call it top 5 MCs. Not lyricist.

It's all the same thing imo. Emcee/rapper etc.

 

[power_wisdom]

Shaq wasn't a great free throw shooter it doesn't mean that Shaq wasn't great at what he did. Pac wasn't lyrical but he made up for it in other areas. And he's a cultural icon and one of the greatest ever.

And I said he was a great Mc. He was versatile in range with his conent, he a great flow and made great and classic albums. But some people say he was a lyricist and he wasnt. People rewrite the story of hip hop. Pac was no where close to being in the top 100 based off of lyrical ability only. It's not a bad thing either. That's why that call it top 5 MCs. Not lyricist.

It's all the same thing imo. Emcee/rapper etc.

It's not. That why you have Trap rappers and not Trap mcs. And Pusha T mostly rap about drugs but is considered a Mc not a trap rapper. Most of these trap rappers want nothing to do with complex rhyme schemes.

 

[5th Letter]

Shaq wasn't a great free throw shooter it doesn't mean that Shaq wasn't great at what he did. Pac wasn't lyrical but he made up for it in other areas. And he's a cultural icon and one of the greatest ever.

And I said he was a great Mc. He was versatile in range with his conent, he a great flow and made great and classic albums. But some people say he was a lyricist and he wasnt. People rewrite the story of hip hop. Pac was no where close to being in the top 100 based off of lyrical ability only. It's not a bad thing either. That's why that call it top 5 MCs. Not lyricist.

It's all the same thing imo. Emcee/rapper etc.

It's not. That why you have Trap rappers and not Trap mcs. And Pusha T mostly rap about drugs but is considered a Mc not a trap rapper. Most of these trap rappers want nothing to do with complex rhyme schemes.

Emcee/rapper is the same thing. Trap rapper sounds better than trap emcee (lol). These artists/rappers/emcees have different styles but it's all the same thing. Trap is the style of rap or emceeing. Just like you have conscience rapper/emcee.

 

[bck145]

Who cares about a label if the music is good....some of the fan favorite rappers are considered great MC's make shitty music...how many lyricist can't craft a song to sound right

Anyone can call themselves an emcee...like they did in the 80's....doesnt mean shit to me...its almost cringe worthy at this point when a rapper refers to himself that way

 

[youngnick]

Lyricist: "a writer of lyrics" ...How is 2Pac not a lyricist?

But anyway, 2Pac is one of the examples of a great lyricist because of how deep/diverse his lyrics are. Being lyrical doesn't mean how creative you are with wordplay or how well you can flow..it's about the contents of your lyrics.

That's a a general definition. But in hip-hop music every rapper is a writer of lyrics. By your logic 2 pac was a battle rapper, because he was in a rap beef. Theres levels to this shit.

I just explained why he was a good lyricist.

 

[leftcoastkev]

A lyricist is a rapper or mc with superior word play. Punchlines, metaphors, double and triple entendre, bars after bars.

"Better bars" are subjective. Sometimes the metaphors, etc, lead up to a nigga not saying nothing.

As much as I like Kurupt his best songs (in my opinion) where the ones on The Originals (with CJ Gennavise) album when he was telling stories and not as lyrical.

When he was going thru tough times and started to fall off a bit in the mid-2000s he was still super lyrical but for no reason....running out of other 3-4 syllable words to rhyme with Calico, Penegon, and Gallactica. As lyrical as it was it was wack.

 

[power_wisdom]

Shaq wasn't a great free throw shooter it doesn't mean that Shaq wasn't great at what he did. Pac wasn't lyrical but he made up for it in other areas. And he's a cultural icon and one of the greatest ever.

And I said he was a great Mc. He was versatile in range with his conent, he a great flow and made great and classic albums. But some people say he was a lyricist and he wasnt. People rewrite the story of hip hop. Pac was no where close to being in the top 100 based off of lyrical ability only. It's not a bad thing either. That's why that call it top 5 MCs. Not lyricist.

It's all the same thing imo. Emcee/rapper etc.

It's not. That why you have Trap rappers and not Trap mcs. And Pusha T mostly rap about drugs but is considered a Mc not a trap rapper. Most of these trap rappers want nothing to do with complex rhyme schemes.

Emcee/rapper is the same thing. Trap rapper sounds better than trap emcee (lol). These artists/rappers/emcees have different styles but it's all the same thing. Trap is the style of rap or emceeing. Just like you have conscience rapper/emcee.

Alot of these rappers couldnt write a story to save their mama lives. They have no depth at all. What Style P does is different than what Young thug does. This is an art right? In martial arts you have different styles and ranking based on skills right? Same thing with hip hop. Some of these rappers who don't even want to be called rappers rhyme for 6 months then try to put out a mixtape. Back in the day, you couldn't even get in a Cypher unless you had real skills.

Lyricist: "a writer of lyrics" ...How is 2Pac not a lyricist?

But anyway, 2Pac is one of the examples of a great lyricist because of how deep/diverse his lyrics are. Being lyrical doesn't mean how creative you are with wordplay or how well you can flow..it's about the contents of your lyrics.

That's a a general definition. But in hip-hop music every rapper is a writer of lyrics. By your logic 2 pac was a battle rapper, because he was in a rap beef. Theres levels to this shit.

I just explained why he was a good lyricist.

No you explained why he was a great mc. A singer can have deep lyrics. Don't make them a lyricist. You said Pac lyrics were diverse. Diverse means showing a great deal of variety; very different. But he often used the same words. His content was "diverse" not his lyrics.

 

[power_wisdom]

A lyricist is a rapper or mc with superior word play. Punchlines, metaphors, double and triple entendre, bars after bars.

"Better bars" are subjective. Sometimes the metaphors, etc, lead up to a nigga not saying nothing.

As much as I like Kurupt his best songs (in my opinion) where the ones on The Originals (with CJ Gennavise) album when he was telling stories and not as lyrical.

When he was going thru tough times and started to fall off a bit in the mid-2000s he was still super lyrical but for no reason....running out of other 3-4 syllable words to rhyme with Calico, Penegon, and Gallactica. As lyrical as it was it was wack.

Didn't say the message was more clear, most of the time lyricist go over people heads. I just stated the difference.

 

[Stew]

http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/39291/what-is-it-that-made-pac-a-lyricist
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/962/stop-that-pac-wasnt-lyrical-sh-t
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/9528323#Comment_9528323
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/9608992#Comment_9608992
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/4293117#Comment_4293117
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/2316281#Comment_2316281
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/2244119#Comment_2244119