Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[JayToTheZ]

Think of it like this:

You're standing on top of a hill throwing--not dropping but throwing--cannonballs at people at the foot of said hill. You've been atop this hill for as long as you've known about the group at the foot of the hill and as long as they have known about you. Throughout the course of history, your grandfathers, fathers, uncles, mothers, aunts, and so forth have helped lob these cannonballs at the people at the bottom of the hill. Sure, a few of your neighbors and countrymen at the top have, against all common sense and head-starts, fallen to the bottom or chosen to live among the people there; however, none of this erases the fact that these fallen look exactly like those who reside at the top of the hill.

Now, imagine, after centuries of throwing these cannonballs, someone at the bottom picks one up and throws it up hill. He manages to put a pothole in your front yard, the bastard. You throw a cannonball back from the top and it obliterates his entire house, soul, and baby toe.

If you understand physics, you know an object coming down has more velocity than one going up. Thus, nigger's impact versus "cracker," "whiteboy," and "white trash." You calling me a nigger comes with much more weight--regardless of whether you are an affluent white guy or as hood as DMX--that cracker never, EVER, will hold because of the roles society has given us. If the roles were reversed and Whites went through the ills that effect the Black community, an argument could be made for how "unfair" it is that I or someone else Black expects to call you cracker and not receive nigger in return.

Think about it. Really. The chances of a White guy being shot by police even while doing something blatantly nutty as waving a sword versus a Black guy being stopped in traffic is ridiculous. The chances of an employer assuming I lied on my resume is astronomical versus an employer thinking the same about you. If I went to a better college, had better grades, and more references, your chances of success are still higher.

And with all of that said, it's unfair that you can't be called a cracker without fear of being hit for coming back with nigger? Really? How greedy can you get?

They are still both racial slurs. Not every white person in the world is racist towards black people. None of my friends are racist, when i go in public i never hear anybody saying the word "Nigger".

I am also not racist, so yes i agree with what you are saying its bit worst to throw racial slurs at black people because of the past they have in terms of racism. But old times are old, things have changed.

 

[KNiGHTS]

They are still both racial slurs. Not every white person in the world is racist towards black people. None of my friends are racist, when i go in public i never hear anybody saying the word "Nigger".
I am also not racist, so yes i agree with what you are saying its bit worst to throw racial slurs at black people because of the past they have in terms of racism. But old times are old, things have changed.

No they haven't. They haven't changed that dramatically just because people aren't lynching us or saying nigger openly. Racism is not confined to violence and talking, which is what people seem to think. It's a mindset. If a cop is afraid of Black people MOVING more than he is of a White man screaming at him, that's a problem.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

So i know that this forum is mostly filled with black people(Not to be racist).
So please don't get offended by this.

But something has been bothering me for a long time now, i have noticed that allot of black people seem to be very ignorant.
What i mean is that it seems like its ok for a black person to call a white person "Cracker" "White Trash" or even "White Boy", yet the very second someone white says the word "N*gger" or any other racial slurs, they come at you like you just killed their best friend.

I know that the black race has gone through slavery, and allot white people are very racist against black people.
But white people have also gone through allot. In 1755, all the Acadians which are about 97% white got deported to other places in the world like Louisiana, France and other places in U.S.
Jewish people who are also mostly white went through the Haulocaust (I forgot how to spell it, sorry )

Anyway just because your race went through allot of slavery and general racism, does not mean that other races or nationalities have not gone through allot because of either their race or origins, and it also does not give you the ritgh to be mean and biased to other races.

And another thing, at my school (I'm going in 12th grade), its currently against the rules to say the word "N*gger" or anything else bad about black people, yet black people can say what ever they want about white people like "White boy" and "Cracker" and nothing will happen.

You do understand that we (black people) were called n!ggers DURING slavery. They would call us n!ggers and hang us, burn us, beat us etc.

... I don't remember white people being called crackers DURING any form of oppression. Therefore it doesn't hold the same weight no matter how you try to spin it. Also, you white people were the ones COMMITTING the crimes. I don't remember any race of black people oppressing white people while calling them crackers.

See how the situation is completely different, and how even asking this question makes you come of as completely ignorant and/or a troll?

...Also, black slavery > all that other shit. Slavery went on for 400+ years and consisted of mental programming and physical abuse. Till this day, some of the less intelligent black people are victim to conditioning. Some of them are still suffering from self-hate.

 

[Huruma]

So i know that this forum is mostly filled with black people(Not to be racist).
So please don't get offended by this.

But something has been bothering me for a long time now, i have noticed that allot of black people seem to be very ignorant.
What i mean is that it seems like its ok for a black person to call a white person "Cracker" "White Trash" or even "White Boy", yet the very second someone white says the word "N*gger" or any other racial slurs, they come at you like you just killed their best friend.

I know that the black race has gone through slavery, and allot white people are very racist against black people.
But white people have also gone through allot. In 1755, all the Acadians which are about 97% white got deported to other places in the world like Louisiana, France and other places in U.S.
Jewish people who are also mostly white went through the Haulocaust (I forgot how to spell it, sorry )

Anyway just because your race went through allot of slavery and general racism, does not mean that other races or nationalities have not gone through allot because of either their race or origins, and it also does not give you the ritgh to be mean and biased to other races.

And another thing, at my school (I'm going in 12th grade), its currently against the rules to say the word "N*gger" or anything else bad about black people, yet black people can say what ever they want about white people like "White boy" and "Cracker" and nothing will happen.

I agree with you. Black people are fully capable of racism and racism against Whites is as unethical as racism toward Blacks and other people of color. There is an irrational tendency among "liberals" to sympathize with the perceived underdog (which is always determined by their perceived social status or whether or not they belong to a 'group' that has been traditionally marginalized rather than individual circumstances) rather than the person who is actually most harmed or disadvantaged in a situation. If racism is wrong because of the effect that it has on it's victims, you can't invalidate the effect that "reverse" racism has on Whites because of their ties to a traditionally privileged group.

Cracker ain't the same. Dosent have the history. Some white people pretend to get upset with it.

You can't use an objective standard (a word's history) to determine how insulting an epithet should or should not be. It's as degrading as it is.

 

[Jonas.dini]

lol at the awesome potential this thread has.

For dude saying things haven't changed dramatically for blacks in America, I say: really dogg?

And along those same lines, here's a question I have been thinking about: why is it that blacks on this site get all pissed off if anyone even suggests that gays have been oppressed in a way that is comparable to them, but then in the next breath act like the struggle of blacks in 2011 is the same as it was for their parents and grandparents, let alone in slave times?
There is a great chris rock stand up routine that delves into this to some extent, maybe I'll try to track it down later and post it.

As for the thread question, two points seem obvious: (1) society in general looks at the n-word as being way worse than cracker or any other anti-white slur, (2) it is hypocritical to be calling someone cracker and then in the next breath talking about how the n-word is so sacred and offensive that it is off limits.

But at the end of the day, you're not going to catch me calling anyone a n-word no matter what, and someone calling me a cracker (never happened except on this site btw) isn't going to offend me.

 

[JayToTheZ]

Probably because it's not logically comparable, considering homosexuals made a decision a move a choice to walk around in society and display homosexuality, whereas...Blacks didnt have a choice upon exiting, the womb, with the most-hated skin color on Earth.

It's actually worse, or the same, because we are going backward in Time, in terms of society now again receptive to, and proactively joining in on unprecedented racial-discrimination of Black people. Or slave ancestors got freed and then did later experience the society going backwards, to take away granted freedoms and imperatives, just like Blacks experience today.

Can't beat this one, I bet...

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Homosexual people were born homosexual, they were born like that, just like black people. They din't have the choice to be straight or homosexual.

 

[garv]

lol at the awesome potential this thread has.

For dude saying things haven't changed dramatically for blacks in America, I say: really dogg?

And along those same lines, here's a question I have been thinking about: why is it that blacks on this site get all pissed off if anyone even suggests that gays have been oppressed in a way that is comparable to them, but then in the next breath act like the struggle of blacks in 2011 is the same as it was for their parents and grandparents, let alone in slave times?
There is a great chris rock stand up routine that delves into this to some extent, maybe I'll try to track it down later and post it.

As for the thread question, two points seem obvious: (1) society in general looks at the n-word as being way worse than cracker or any other anti-white slur, (2) it is hypocritical to be calling someone cracker and then in the next breath talking about how the n-word is so sacred and offensive that it is off limits.

But at the end of the day, you're not going to catch me calling anyone a n-word no matter what, and someone calling me a cracker (never happened except on this site btw) isn't going to offend me.

No one here acts as if the struggle of blacks in 2011 is the same as the struggle of their grandparents, what we don't agree with is white folks like you brushing off the plight of black people nowadays as nothing, and thinking we live in this post racial society where everything is rosy and there is no obstacles holding black peoples in the diaspora and on the continent back. You should really stop asking stupid questions.

 

[VIBE]

To me it's not the fact that when they say, "you white people", "white boy", "cracker", "trailer trash", that it's racially offensive. I've never been called that, but I don't see it being racially offensive. I don't get offended easily at all, I don't give a fuck about stuff like that. To me it's more so the emotion behind it, they're TRYING to "hurt feelings". So the same emotion that goes into saying the word, just because, is the same way I look at the N word. The people who say the N word are just looking to hurt someones feelings and just start shit up for no reason. Everyone who uses these "racial slurs" are completely ignorant, immature, and just need to grow the fuck up.

 

[Huruma]

No one here acts as if the struggle of blacks in 2011 is the same as the struggle of their grandparents, what we don't agree with is white folks like you brushing off the plight of black people nowadays as nothing, and thinking we live in this post racial society where everything is rosy and there is no obstacles holding black peoples in the diaspora and on the continent back. You should really stop asking stupid questions.

And you are brushing off the racial discrimination/abuse some White people endure.

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To me it's more so the emotion behind it, they're TRYING to "hurt feelings". So the same emotion that goes into saying the word, just because, is the same way I look at the N word. The people who say the N word are just looking to hurt someones feelings and just start shit up

Well said.

It's Over,

What difference should it make whether or not homosexuals choose to be homosexual?

 

[Say What]

Slavery happened cant change it. White people was fucked up some still are no real reason the be a asshole over it not.Peop;le just say the words as followers. Cracker whip cracker thats not a dis. White boy look up everthing in the dic white is good create good racial comebacks stop usein that old stupic shit if u gonna do it. Its not my thing but if you gonna do it make them feelit

 

[Jonas.dini]

No one here acts as if the struggle of blacks in 2011 is the same as the struggle of their grandparents, what we don't agree with is white folks like you brushing off the plight of black people nowadays as nothing, and thinking we live in this post racial society where everything is rosy and there is no obstacles holding black peoples in the diaspora and on the continent back. You should really stop asking stupid questions.

lmao, why u always talkin shit dogg? And when did I say the bolded?

 

[DarcSkies]

And you are brushing off the racial discrimination/abuse some White people endure.

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Well said.

It's Over,

What difference should it make whether or not homosexuals choose to be homosexual?

I dont know if he's brushing it off. But I am.

Fuck that piece of shit. And his pet monkey.

 

[Jonas.dini]

No one here acts as if the struggle of blacks in 2011 is the same as the struggle of their grandparents

But old times are old, things have changed.

No they haven't. They haven't changed that dramatically

Sounds like that's what dude is saying.

And of course that is ridiculous, things have actually changed dramatically.

 

[Jonas.dini]

It's actually worse, or the same, because we are going backward in Time, in terms of society now again receptive to, and proactively joining in on unprecedented racial-discrimination of Black people.

Care to demonstrate that with some stats or something?

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

lol at the awesome potential this thread has.

For dude saying things haven't changed dramatically for blacks in America, I say: really dogg?
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after slavery, the "ending" of separate but equal conditions is considered one of America's grandest achievements in equality. Those conditions are celebrated as some stamped out relic of the past due to the 'triumph' of the Civil Rights Movements...and that is categorically false

With that being considered, i dont see how that statement is the least bit unheard of

 

[And Step]

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[Jonas.dini]

excluding the reported ending of slavery, the "ending" of separate but equal conditions, and the reverberations of those, is considered one of America's grandest achievements in equality and is celebrated as some stamped out relic of the past with the 'triumph' of the Civil Rights Movements...and that is categorically false

With that being considered, i dont see how that statement is unheard of, in the least bit

So you're saying the situation for blacks in America is not dramatically better than prior to the civil rights movement?

Real talk, you're going to have to convince me.

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

So you're saying the situation for blacks in America is not dramatically better than prior to the civil rights movement?

Real talk, you're going to have to convince me.

i dont see any "dramatic" changes in the dynamics of our position in this nation to where it was prior to the civil rights movement

 

[JayToTheZ]

damn racist cracka babies!

Your comment is what i mean when i say black people are ignorant....

 

[Jonas.dini]

i dont see any "dramatic" changes in the dynamics of our position in this nation to where it was prior to the civil rights movement

Ok well since you're not even going to try to convince me I guess I'll try to convince you. It would be a lot easier if I had a scanner, but here are some stats for ya, from the book Racial and Ethnic Groups, by Richard T. Schaefer:

In 1970, there were fewer than 2k black elected officials in the US, by 2002 there were over nine thousand.

In 1960, 18.2 percent of black males and 21.8 percent of black females graduated from high school, by 1980 both those percentages were up to 50.8 and 51.5, and by 2007 they were at 81.8 and 82.5.

In 1960, 2.8 percent of black males and 3.3 percent of black females graduated from college, by 1980 both those percentages were up to 8.4 and 8.3, and by 2007 they were at 18 and 19.

Median family income for black families in the US rose from $1,870 in 1950, to $12,675 in 1970, to $39,879 in 2008. (The book I'm looking at is not clear as to whether this is adjusted for inflation, so I don't know about this stat, I could cross reference but I'm too lazy)

In 1972, 64% of American cleaners and servants were black, by 2007 that figure was down to 19%, and in that same period blacks increased their relative share for all the other occupations listed on this chart (engineers, lawyers and judges, physicians, nurses, college teachers, other teachers, social workers, managers, sales workers, firefighters, police and detectives).

And of course: