Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[CeLLaR-DooR]

Like a lotta people have said...Nigga and cracker are just not the same thing...and also, don't say 'just because you went through slavery'...Its kind of reductionist...like slavery was a case of the flu or something

And...all the grief whites have gone through were done other whites...

 

[And Step]

So i know that this forum is mostly filled with black people(Not to be racist)
So please don't get offended by this.

Tell tale sign that some fucked up racist statement is about to made.

But something has been bothering me for a long time now, i have noticed that allot of black people seem to be very ignorant.

BINGO!

What i mean is that it seems like its ok for a black person to call a white person "Cracker" "White Trash" or even "White Boy", yet the very second someone white says the word "N*gger" or any other racial slurs, they come at you like you just killed their best friend.

Yeah, that's just the way it is, remember that shit.

I know that the black race has gone through slavery, and allot white people are very racist against black people.

And segregation, discrimination, lynching, colonization, neocolonialism, and Soul Plane.

But white people have also gone through allot. In 1755, all the Acadians which are about 97% white got deported to other places in the world like Louisiana, France and other places in U.S.

Yes 11,000 people deported to various places because they picked the wrong side of a war to participate in definitely compares to 3 plus centuries of slavery, rape, and murder.

Jewish people who are also mostly white went through the Haulocaust (I forgot how to spell it, sorry )

That is transparent like a Haulogram. This story should be made into a movie, with lead actress being Haulle Berry. And the Soundtrack made by Tupac, Haulla if you hear me.

Anyway just because your race went through allot of slavery and general racism, does not mean that other races or nationalities have not gone through allot because of either their race or origins, and it also does not give you the ritgh to be mean and biased to other races.

Either you need to put a "B" in front of it or lose an "l". I let that shit slide like 3 times.

And another thing, at my school (I'm going in 12th grade), its currently against the rules to say the word "N*gger" or anything else bad about black people, yet black people can say what ever they want about white people like "White boy" and "Cracker" and nothing will happen.

Sounds like your school is a pretty nice place.

 

[And Step]

Homosexual people were born homosexual, they were born like that, just like black people. They din't have the choice to be straight or homosexual.

Bullshit. You always have the choice to choose who you have sex with. Unless you are raped.

FOH, comparing being born with black skin with the desire to blow a dude.

 

[Jonas.dini]

Demonstration would work more efficiently, if you list for me a realm/an aspect of society, that you want examples for focusing on as far as political or socio-economic or Academia

So in other words, no you don't care to demonstrate it.

 

[JayToTheZ]

Annother point, you black people complain of always being made fun of because of your skin colour. Yet you black guys are always the first ones to say something is gay.
Gay people are just like you guys they were born a certain way like every other type of person.
They do not chose to be gay, they are born like that. To keep it personal is hard for them because if they are with a girl there not happy, but when they with a man they happy.
So its really hard for gays to keep in the closet.
Even though you black people don't have the choice to display your skin colour, its still the same thing. Your crying about being made fun of because of your skin colour, yet you make fun of homosexuals.

Homosexuals feel the same way as you black people when its comes to being degraded because of differences.

 

[JayToTheZ]

Coming from a former racist cracka baby. Just for asking why it's acceptable for blacks to call whites is racist. Racism is in your cracka baby blood. You bloody baby cracka!

Please show me how i am racist?
Here how i call you a Nigger?
******* you a Nigger.
You say i am racist? here i will be racist:
I dont give a shit if the word Nigger has more history then Cracker, but its a word in which it is used to degrade a white person.

 

[And Step]

Ok well since you're not even going to try to convince me I guess I'll try to convince you. It would be a lot easier if I had a scanner, but here are some stats for ya, from the book Racial and Ethnic Groups, by Richard T. Schaefer:

In 1970, there were fewer than 2k black elected officials in the US, by 2002 there were over nine thousand.

In 1960, 18.2 percent of black males and 21.8 percent of black females graduated from high school, by 1980 both those percentages were up to 50.8 and 51.5, and by 2007 they were at 81.8 and 82.5.

In 1960, 2.8 percent of black males and 3.3 percent of black females graduated from college, by 1980 both those percentages were up to 8.4 and 8.3, and by 2007 they were at 18 and 19.

Median family income for black families in the US rose from $1,870 in 1950, to $12,675 in 1970, to $39,879 in 2008. (The book I'm looking at is not clear as to whether this is adjusted for inflation, so I don't know about this stat, I could cross reference but I'm too lazy)

In 1972, 64% of American cleaners and servants were black, by 2007 that figure was down to 19%, and in that same period blacks increased their relative share for all the other occupations listed on this chart (engineers, lawyers and judges, physicians, nurses, college teachers, other teachers, social workers, managers, sales workers, firefighters, police and detectives).

And of course:

Ok, he said that there has not been any change in our relative position, which is absolutely true. There are just as many statistic that can show the decline of the Black community over that time period. I.e increased incarceration rates, decline of stable family units, decline in Black businesses and self sufficient institutions, Increasing functional illiteracy, etc.

Median or Mean income is just not a good way to gauge Black people particularly if you leave out the white median income for comparison. Income for Black men have declined while Income for Black women have increased to offset that a bit. Middle income white households had greater gains in financial assets than high income African Americans by 2007 they had accumulated $74,000, whereas the average high income African American family owned only $18,000. In 23 years, the racial wealth gap increased by $75,000, from $20,000 to $95,000.

Also, a half black manager of a white reality is not proof that we have advanced. We have had plenty of black mayors in cities and towns so he is just one of many.

 

[fiat_money]

Damn, that cracka baby blood is something else.

 

[Jonas.dini]

Ok, he said that there has not been any change in our relative position, which is absolutely true. There are just as many statistic that can show the decline of the Black community over that time period. I.e increased incarceration rates, decline of stable family units, decline in Black businesses and self sufficient institutions, Increasing functional illiteracy, etc.

Median or Mean income is just not a good way to gauge Black people particularly if you leave out the white median income for comparison. Income for Black men have declined while Income for Black women have increased to offset that a bit. Middle income white households had greater gains in financial assets than high income African Americans by 2007 they had accumulated $74,000, whereas the average high income African American family owned only $18,000. In 23 years, the racial wealth gap increased by $75,000, from $20,000 to $95,000.

Also, a half black manager of a white reality is not proof that we have advanced. We have had plenty of black mayors in cities and towns so he is just one of many.

Actually he didn't say "relative" position. But that is an interesting convo to have, so let's do it:

- Edu gaps have narrowed considerably at every level. And edu = access. so as that narrows so should the other gaps.
- Occupation gaps have narrowed for the better, as I demonstrated with this stat: "In 1972, 64% of American cleaners and servants were black, by 2007 that figure was down to 19%, and in that same period blacks increased their relative share for all the other occupations listed on this chart (engineers, lawyers and judges, physicians, nurses, college teachers, other teachers, social workers, managers, sales workers, firefighters, police and detectives)." I'd scan the whole chart so you could take a look, but I don't have a scanner, but I'm sure you can find the details by searching around online.
- I made a note in my post to downplay that income stat, but I just happened to have it on hand, you're right about the income gap being basically unchanged and the gender component.

Integrationism spelled the end to an era that emphasized black institutions, but that's sort of the idea of integrationism, so I'm hesitant to take that decline as being indicative of decline. If you want to get into the nitty gritty stats we can, but you're gonna have to go first because I'm too lazy right now.

Good points about the incarceration rates and fam structure.

Functional literacy is one of those things that is hard to quantify, I've seen lots of troubling studies including ones that show increasing rates of functional illiteracy among young blacks, and in young Americans in more general terms. But that as literacy rates (as opposed to functional literacy) have increased substantially and the gap has narrowed immensely.

I know people are gonna say tokenism about Obama, and that's a fine point, which is why I added all those other stats, but c'mon dogg it is a meaningful development to have a black president. It reflects increase in black political representation and is indicative of white attitudes. And I'm not gonna concede that point either, so if you really think it is meaningless we can agree to disagree, but note the stat I posted about the increase in black public officials (In 1970, there were fewer than 2k black elected officials in the US, by 2002 there were over nine thousand).

 

[politicalthug202]

Annother point, you black people complain of always being made fun of because of your skin colour. Yet you black guys are always the first ones to say something is gay.

Gay people are just like you guys they were born a certain way like every other type of person.

They do not chose to be gay, they are born like that. To keep it personal is hard for them because if they are with a girl there not happy, but when they with a man they happy.

So its really hard for gays to keep in the closet.

Even though you black people don't have the choice to display your skin colour, its still the same thing. Your crying about being made fun of because of your skin colour, yet you make fun of homosexuals.

Homosexuals feel the same way as you black people when its comes to being degraded because of differences.

I agree gay ppl have suffered,burt the average gay person has more money and education

then the average str8 american.

 

[DarkRaiden]

Because Cracker has no context while Nigger was used during slavery. 400+ years of slavery where black people were degraded, raped, whipped, hung, burned, killed, called savages and told that the white man was better and that they were God(White Jesus). Cracker is like calling someone idiot except it's less impactful since it offends exactly zero people.

And gays are nothing like blacks. They can hide their traits, and they learn sexuality, you can't learn skin color. Plus marriage does not equal slavery and no rights to vote or do anything. SO cut that bullshit out.

ANd btw being black and racists against whites is ALWAYS justified since their people enslaved ours, tortured, raped, etc. Just because they were lazy and we were black. It's a learned hate that is always justified.

 

[Jonas.dini]

I gave two demos in my post, above this one, that you've responded to here...why didnt You challenge those examples of society going backwards? .... and why are you apprehensive about being specific on such a widely-effected issue as this?

We can discuss any realm of society, that you want, and I will have unequivocal proof of what I claimed which you've Questioned.

I don't dispute those things, altho you didn't provide a source to validate them. But that doesn't void the block of stats I put forward, and it definitely doesn't demonstrate black America having moved backwards since the civil rights movement.

And step put some things out there: family structure, incarceration rates. Those at least offer something of a demonstration.

I've already been discussing this in depth with other posters since our exchange, so at this point I don't really feel any need to tease a real answer out of you, so pick whatever realm you want and put some stats forward and I'll respond to them. Or don't, whateva b

 

[ustreet_monsta]

Think of it like this:

You're standing on top of a hill throwing--not dropping but throwing--cannonballs at people at the foot of said hill. You've been atop this hill for as long as you've known about the group at the foot of the hill and as long as they have known about you. Throughout the course of history, your grandfathers, fathers, uncles, mothers, aunts, and so forth have helped lob these cannonballs at the people at the bottom of the hill. Sure, a few of your neighbors and countrymen at the top have, against all common sense and head-starts, fallen to the bottom or chosen to live among the people there; however, none of this erases the fact that these fallen look exactly like those who reside at the top of the hill.

Now, imagine, after centuries of throwing these cannonballs, someone at the bottom picks one up and throws it up hill. He manages to put a pothole in your front yard, the bastard. You throw a cannonball back from the top and it obliterates his entire house, soul, and baby toe.

If you understand physics, you know an object coming down has more velocity than one going up. Thus, nigger's impact versus "cracker," "whiteboy," and "white trash." You calling me a nigger comes with much more weight--regardless of whether you are an affluent white guy or as hood as DMX--that cracker never, EVER, will hold because of the roles society has given us. If the roles were reversed and Whites went through the ills that effect the Black community, an argument could be made for how "unfair" it is that I or someone else Black expects to call you cracker and not receive nigger in return.

Think about it. Really. The chances of a White guy being shot by police even while doing something blatantly nutty as waving a sword versus a Black guy being stopped in traffic is ridiculous. The chances of an employer assuming I lied on my resume is astronomical versus an employer thinking the same about you. If I went to a better college, had better grades, and more references, your chances of success are still higher.

And with all of that said, it's unfair that you can't be called a cracker without fear of being hit for coming back with nigger? Really? How greedy can you get?

This is a great fucking post.

I don't think anyone should be using racial slurs, HOWEVER racism involves an element of POWER. As long as White people have the power the idea of reverse racism doesn't hold much weight.

 

[politicalthug202]

Ooooh is that why happy means gay? Shit load of money ='s shitter loaded?
What about gay broke ass gays?

thats like if a a white person brought up how p diddy
and jayz are rich when comparing the struggles of blacks.

look offensive words are equally offensive words.
The whole well yyou cant say something bad to me
because your great grandfather fucked over my great grandfather
makes no sense. should people who live in spain,have a right to insult blks forever
because the Black moors invaded there country back in the day. before transatlantic slavery.

now if u wanna make an argument that blks should get more special
programs to help because of generational discrimination more so then
other groups, then you can have that debate.

but political correctness should apply to everybody equally

 

[ustreet_monsta]

Aye. Jonas is a good dude even if he is playing Devils advocate in this thread.

 

[Jonas.dini]

Thanks b

I don't know if I'm serious or trolling half the time on this site... I keep it realer on tha corner

 

[Jonas.dini]

Trolling was the wrong word, I meant more like being argumentative and/or disingenuous. Altho I'm not necessarily doing that in this thread

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

Ok well since you're not even going to try to convince me I guess I'll try to convince you. It would be a lot easier if I had a scanner, but here are some stats for ya, from the book Racial and Ethnic Groups, by Richard T. Schaefer:

In 1970, there were fewer than 2k black elected officials in the US, by 2002 there were over nine thousand.

In 1960, 18.2 percent of black males and 21.8 percent of black females graduated from high school, by 1980 both those percentages were up to 50.8 and 51.5, and by 2007 they were at 81.8 and 82.5.

In 1960, 2.8 percent of black males and 3.3 percent of black females graduated from college, by 1980 both those percentages were up to 8.4 and 8.3, and by 2007 they were at 18 and 19.

Median family income for black families in the US rose from $1,870 in 1950, to $12,675 in 1970, to $39,879 in 2008. (The book I'm looking at is not clear as to whether this is adjusted for inflation, so I don't know about this stat, I could cross reference but I'm too lazy)

In 1972, 64% of American cleaners and servants were black, by 2007 that figure was down to 19%, and in that same period blacks increased their relative share for all the other occupations listed on this chart (engineers, lawyers and judges, physicians, nurses, college teachers, other teachers, social workers, managers, sales workers, firefighters, police and detectives).

And of course:

i called the alleged single biggest thrust for black advancement a farce. That's a direct challenge to that whole "you black people are better now than then" argument.....a direct challenge that you completely disregarded. Sounds like you were already convinced

And, what im quoting didnt even address what you responded to

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

Actually he didn't say "relative" position.

ok..you cannot quote me literally saying "relative"....but my stance began by calling out periods and the subsequent legislation that allegedly birthed...."equality"

equality isnt relative now?

shit, ur position in a nation full of other people isnt relative?

stop playing with me smokey

 

[And Step]

I think it's an issue of choosing to ignore what's against one's thinking vs. Supporting what's inline with it...at the end of the day, no matter how much members like And Step give responses that seek to apologize for racism then blame victims for being victimized by racism Via family structure and incarceration...

Then Things will never change.

I don't apologize for racism, white boy. I just refuse to give into or nurse on it, like I am having a pity party. You frauds and your black house negro lackeys are misleading blacks into thinking that their problems can be solved by genuflecting at the shrine of white benevolence instead of taking their destiny in their own hands. This was the worst part about slavery, Jim Crow, and colonialism. The mental damage that it inflicted.

Blaming white people does not and will need feed, clothe, or shelter us. It will make us an eternal underclass and third class citizenry.