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its over: 2012!;3052298 said:
This is a very dangerous element of bias. It is often used too, for cheating Blacks out of their accomplishments.

It's very unfortunate that you chose to inject irrelevant issues, into an equation, meant solely for rewarding Academic success.

.most notably, when you know that Valedictorianships are awarded, over years of performance and not just over one year...and even then, her issue of mere 'absences' did not effect her aptitude nor attitude toward the school's teaching utility and faculty.

Wow I love a Great Debate, the key to a debate is dissecting your opponents points. So let me sum up my point and see if you can come against it.

You have TWO STUDENTS

One has a 4.0 but had to take off time from school due to a PREGNANCY (lol), She is 17 years old in High School and not only having sex but gets pregnant.

THE OTHER STUDENT

Has a 3.7 or 3.9 attended school the ENTIRE YEAR, did NOT get pregnant and reflects what American's hopes, wishes and prays a High School Teenager will mirror.


Are you FOLLOWING ME?....................

Now absorb the ENERGY of both students and explain why a student who scored a few points more but lacks, thinking skills, self-control and a better attendance record, seems more ADMIRABLE. Who should be the poster girl for success, lol

Or does the student that: Stayed in school didn't get pregnant and only missed a few points seem more ADMIRABLE.

I already told you the latter seems more admirable, not only to me but others who look at the WHOLE PICTURE and most of America who is thinking of their kids and what they hope their kids strive for, look here:

http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-student-alleges-racial-bias-valedictorian-choice-223416668.html

Now let me get DEEPER................

Who would you want your daughter to be, who would you want your daughter to follow, lol, lol, lol The 17 year old pregnant girl who scored a few points more (which could be luck) or someone who as demonstrated through ACTION and PERFORMANCE that they are a success.

what do you think Harvard, Yale or Princeton would say. Of course the HSBU schools don't care they are use to this scenario. Is listing a baby on an application or in an application letter admirable, or would Society have to lower it's standards to think that way. I think the latter.

As I've stated over and over, other people aren't willing to lower their standards just because many Black people JUST CAN'T GET IT, and create a MUTATED REALITY AND MEANING OF SUCCESS.

Point Blank all you can do is HOPE that this girl can make it, she wouldn't be voted by her classmates most likely to succeeed, a baby is a FULL responsibility, that's why people plan them.

Another question that ties into what I just said:

If you had to make a BET as to which student has the best chance of succeeding who would you chose. Particularly after seeing and knowing where each is starting from, who would you BET YOUR MONEY ON. The girl who seems smart, but has not demonstrated self-control or total concentration, or the girl who is basically just as smart who has proven by her actions thus far that she will succeed.

Agghh alot to think about, let's see if you can address my individual points. I do want to warn people that I type as fast as I think and speak, so having these exchanges is a breeze to me, but can be frustrating to some I don't mean for them to be that way. I just recommend that people don't come against my points with PURE EMOTION or by the most SIMPLE point. You can let some of my comments go, because I don't think with pure EMOTION I am very analytical. I absorb the ENERGY of a situation and make calculating decisions.

For example I'm happy for this girl, as I've stated but she's just a chess piece, "a thing" when it comes to figuring out the best move. So is the other girl by the way. When you are dealing with many people you can't get EMOTIONAL unless it's warranted. You won't be able to make educated, informed, decisions that benefit the masses when you have an EMOTIONAL "ahh, I like her, or ahh, I feel sorry for her attitude" It's not about individual her, it's about the standards in the years to come too.

Again that's how civilizations, judicial systems and environments are built not by EMOTION.

Great Convo
 
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You're right what a SHOCK a person's character and decisions comes into play also, "Golly what is the world coming to" lol

I managed to beat a drug charge and the charges where dismissed even though I was at the wrong place at the wrong time, I have the highest grades "oh yes, I should be chosen".

I manged to have a baby at 14 and 17 but still keep up with my schoolwork "oh yes I should be chosen"

How low do you want to go?? lol I tell many Black people all the time, Black people need to create their own societies, schools, jobs etc.. with their own rules. Of course as a Black person, I won't be living there but there are many Black people that would join you and you can make your own rules and do things our own way. I'm sure it would be a very civilized society. lol

You could even be a principal at one of the schools and see one student bust her ass, and come to school everyday and concentrate on her work. And another gets distracted have a child, miss school like a woman misses work when she's pregnant and you can make her a STAR over all the other little girls, because her GPA is a couple of points higher, Woohoo, I would love to live in your Society...............Not
 
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BlackCelebrityEnergy;3053321 said:
You're right what a SHOCK a person's character and decisions comes into play also, "Golly what is the world coming to" lol

The problem is, you act like you know these girls personally.

The white girl could've been fucking the entire football team just happened to use condoms because her parents know she is a slut. The black girl could of have one sweet moment with her boyfriend of 5 years and ended up pregnant.

You're making a judgment on this girl's character knowing not a damn thing about the girl....you can't judge character through a newspaper/media....

Which is why you judge valedictorian ON GRADES! Something you CAN actually quantify.....

You made all kinds of assumptions on this girl like you personally witnessed her journey through high school...SMH....
 
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Ahh you're learning a BIG LESSON, a lesson in REALITY. People go by what they see, just like Black women will always be viewed as the BIGGEST WHORES because the men of this race go into OVERDRIVE sending that ENERGY to the world.

White men don't do this, though many White women are some of the biggest whores I've seen. But still White men will not tag White women in general in this way, they will exploit White women in movies, T.V. shows and things that have a storyline and shows White women in a diverse way. Black men will pick up the microphone and tell the world how big of a whore Black women are in the communities, make videos with a concentrated whore ENERGY, plus movies and speeches of how this is true. And here's the thing Black women seem to support it, in turn in the eyes of many, Black women have become the FILTHY DOORMATS of society.

They symbolize an ASS BENT OVER in this era.......................PERIOD!

And until so-called Positive Black women penetrate that and become the DOMINATING ENERGY they are insignificant.

Just like Positive Black men seem WEAK in this era, they seem soft. It appears they can't be the dominating ENERGY, so they too are insignificant. Negative Black men seem more significant in society both in and out of this race. lol They aren't respected at the end of the day either, but they still can create the illusion that that is true Positive Black men can create no illusions, a blind man can see that they are ignored and insignificant in this era. lol, lol

So what's the lesson, people go by what they SEE and FEEL

Just like Big corporations do illegal things, but they always have the aura of being professional environments until they are EXPOSED. People would never take the time to speculate that they are shady, because that is NOT the ENERGY they are giving off..............until they do, people who make these speculations are IGNORED.

That's why most White collar criminals keep a low profile, they have critical thinking skills where a lot of Black people don't, particularly Black men in the street. They're very verbal about their illicit actions and wear the evidence all over them, lol, lol

There are a lot of positive Black women out there who take care of their kids, but society wanted to see PRECIOUS, they FEEL and SEE Precious everyday. It doesn't matter what positive Black women say or wish others would see.

So my point is, there's no need to speculate about the fact that someone is JUST AS BAD, people will AGREE if they can FEEL IT and SEE IT, not just because you THINK it may be so. lol

As far as the pregnant BABY MOMMA, we can SEE that, her actions are CLEAR. You can only SPECULATE about the other girl

I understand why Black people stay losing because we have the most BIZARRE thinking skills, and they are based on idealism not reality.

Sought of like the fact that for YEARS Black people have talked about how White men are child molesters and White men abuse children and are child predators. Now with the Internet this can no longer be said. It's evident Black men are these hideous things too. The news never cared about what Black men did to their kids, but showcased White men doing so when it was discovered. No one was going to go in the hood and investigate Black men. But now that we have 24/7 news and media most outrageous cases of child abuse will be shown, Black or White.

And you committed a CARDINAL SIN IN DEBATE

Now I can tell you are not use to debating, but you never ever use SPECULATION to try to prove your point, you have to go by what is seen and what's evident. If this White girl managed to fu*ck the whole basketball team, and be a slut without being EXPOSED, you have to leave it at that.

WHY?

Because it was not exposed and it's not conclusive. It's as if you are making it up out of the air. On the flip-side the BABY MOMMA's ENERGY is exposed and evident. It's evident that she was having sex at 17( maybe even earlier), but like I said before, I can't say that, I have to go with 17 because that's whats evident. It's evident that she had to leave school and go on maternity leave, when other students remained in school and it's evident she had no control over her life and did what she had to do based on her circumstances and managed to get good grades in the process.

Like I've told so many other blogger, I know Black people of this era have LOWER STANDARDS, most of their mothers where BABY MOMMAS most Black women are BABY MOMMAS, but others will fight tooth and nail to make sure that is not normal in their communities. Black people we simply deal with it, and sit in sh*t and continue to do so.

Guess how many children are born out of wedlock, at one time the figure was 70% the figure is now 72% of Black children are born out of wedlock, so of course we need people to lower their standard to understand and accept us. But here's one Black person that refuses to do so. I understand that doing so creates what we have today.

So in Summary: People go by what they SEE and FEEL. Some claim Obama is Gay, does it matter? No, because it's not something that's been proven and it's not an ENERGY that can be felt.

So if this other student had the ENERGY you mentioned, that just makes her even more slick and intelligent for being able to disguise it. Again, I'm just entertaining you based on what you said, because in Debate that would be a sign of defeat, throwing a "what if" out into the air that has no basis. lol, lol, lol

Even I didn't do this, all I pointed out was the fact that she was smart, went to school and got good grades. That's all I know about her and yes, her ENERGY is more positive, inspiring and helpful to young kids coming up then someone who became a mother at 17.
 
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FUCK YEAH!! ENERGY!!!

That shit is hilarious.
fiat_money;3053154 said:
About "Buffy the Body":
Her body gets attention because she's like a "Chitlin". Those who eat "Chitlins" should be able to understand her ENERGY.

For those who are confused, "Chitlins" are pig intestines.Despite this, when you put a plate of "Chitlins" in front of a person who likes them, they will say "hmm that looks good". Buffy's body is the same way.

When a low standard, or jail culture man sees a body like Buffy's even though it lacks proportion and looks like a thick piece of ham walking, they will say "damn she looks good". Even if a woman like Buffy looks like she would die after going up two flights of stairs, they say "she looks good".
This shit is amazing.
 
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edeeesq;3055319 said:
The problem is, you act like you know these girls personally.

The white girl could've been fucking the entire football team just happened to use condoms because her parents know she is a slut. The black girl could of have one sweet moment with her boyfriend of 5 years and ended up pregnant.

You're making a judgment on this girl's character knowing not a damn thing about the girl....you can't judge character through a newspaper/media....

Which is why you judge valedictorian ON GRADES! Something you CAN actually quantify.....

You made all kinds of assumptions on this girl like you personally witnessed her journey through high school...SMH....

I couldnt agree more. Miss Energy is acting as if girls don't make any mistakes, I'm willing to bet a million dollars she's made some in her lifetime.

Valedictorians are based on grades, not behavior outside of school.
 
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kingblaze84;3057223 said:
I couldnt agree more. Miss Energy is acting as if girls don't make any mistakes, I'm willing to bet a million dollars she's made some in her lifetime.

Valedictorians are based on grades, not behavior outside of school.

I realize that Ms Energy just types to say she's doing it. No one can actually type up essays like that in an internet forum unless they are getting paid per word or are so self absorbed in their own thoughts, that it eliminates room for casual convo....
 
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heyslick;3062585 said:
Seriously! given the bolded area above (The White girl) who's really the smarter woman? Your hypothesis is SO filled with hypocrisy.....so let's pretend for the moment. The white girl actually takes on the whole football team and doesn't get pregnant & the innocent black girl gets pregnant & she has to share that prestigious award. SO! ms edeeesq WHO's really the smarter one? wonders about common sense?

The smarter one, would be the one with the higher grades.....which is the whole point of the thread...

its only you and Ms. Energy that want to talk about the character of people you don't know....
 
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So i know that this forum is mostly filled with black people(Not to be racist).
So please don't get offended by this.

But something has been bothering me for a long time now, i have noticed that allot of black people seem to be very ignorant.
What i mean is that it seems like its ok for a black person to call a white person "Cracker" "White Trash" or even "White Boy", yet the very second someone white says the word "N*gger" or any other racial slurs, they come at you like you just killed their best friend.

I know that the black race has gone through slavery, and allot white people are very racist against black people.
But white people have also gone through allot. In 1755, all the Acadians which are about 97% white got deported to other places in the world like Louisiana, France and other places in U.S.
Jewish people who are also mostly white went through the Haulocaust (I forgot how to spell it, sorry :D)

Anyway just because your race went through allot of slavery and general racism, does not mean that other races or nationalities have not gone through allot because of either their race or origins, and it also does not give you the ritgh to be mean and biased to other races.

And another thing, at my school (I'm going in 12th grade), its currently against the rules to say the word "N*gger" or anything else bad about black people, yet black people can say what ever they want about white people like "White boy" and "Cracker" and nothing will happen.
 
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Cracker ain't the same. Dosent have the history. Some white people pretend to get upset with it.
 
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That sounds like the belief that a person being of a certain race is the primary determinant in their ability to use certain words.
 
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Think of it like this:

You're standing on top of a hill throwing--not dropping but throwing--cannonballs at people at the foot of said hill. You've been atop this hill for as long as you've known about the group at the foot of the hill and as long as they have known about you. Throughout the course of history, your grandfathers, fathers, uncles, mothers, aunts, and so forth have helped lob these cannonballs at the people at the bottom of the hill. Sure, a few of your neighbors and countrymen at the top have, against all common sense and head-starts, fallen to the bottom or chosen to live among the people there; however, none of this erases the fact that these fallen look exactly like those who reside at the top of the hill.

Now, imagine, after centuries of throwing these cannonballs, someone at the bottom picks one up and throws it up hill. He manages to put a pothole in your front yard, the bastard. You throw a cannonball back from the top and it obliterates his entire house, soul, and baby toe.

If you understand physics, you know an object coming down has more velocity than one going up. Thus, nigger's impact versus "cracker," "whiteboy," and "white trash." You calling me a nigger comes with much more weight--regardless of whether you are an affluent white guy or as hood as DMX--that cracker never, EVER, will hold because of the roles society has given us. If the roles were reversed and Whites went through the ills that effect the Black community, an argument could be made for how "unfair" it is that I or someone else Black expects to call you cracker and not receive nigger in return.

Think about it. Really. The chances of a White guy being shot by police even while doing something blatantly nutty as waving a sword versus a Black guy being stopped in traffic is ridiculous. The chances of an employer assuming I lied on my resume is astronomical versus an employer thinking the same about you. If I went to a better college, had better grades, and more references, your chances of success are still higher.

And with all of that said, it's unfair that you can't be called a cracker without fear of being hit for coming back with nigger? Really? How greedy can you get?
 
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