People Say Indie>>>Major But Lets Look At The Videos

[5 Grand]

Major vs indie music videos for rappers and we talking about Michael Jackson

You obviously missed the point.

Michael Jackson was on a major label and made big budget videos.

Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaattaa were on independent labels and made lower budget videos.

But nowadays the videos people make look LOWER budget than the videos that Grandmaster Flash and Bambaattaa were making in 1982.

I'm not using hyperbole. I sincerely think that the videos from 1982 can compare with the new videos that people are making nowadays.

 

[leftcoastkev]

So basically I'm the only person on the IC that enjoys a well made, professionally produced video?

I don't believe it. I think you guys are playing dumb.

Nah fam. Only speaking for myself here...

I will watch a video and see that it's a dope well produced video...and that's that. I will probably never watch it twice on my own volition (e.g. Search it out to watch on YouTube).

If the song is hot (and it's a song I've only heard the first time when I saw the video), I'll download it and play it repeatedly. But 9 times out of 10 I'll never sit through the entire video again.

Same way I rarely ever watch movies and TV shows twice. Only things I'll seek out to watch several times are documentaries, lectures, something that tells me how to do something, something I can learn from. That doesn't something for ME. I ain't learning from music videos so they don't move me like that no matter how nice they are.

I think its a personality thing. Some people really appreciate and are impressed with that stuff when it comes to entertainment. People like me can see and acknowledge that it's dope and well thought out but once you saw it, it's nothing else for me to get from it unless I like the song. Then I listen to the song and dismiss the video.

 

[BenjaminE]

An independent can hire a professional who use a digital camera and not film to make a video that cheaper. Fight club for example by the Migos was made by an independent company.

But thats not what they do. They get one of their homies to shoot the video and 9 times out of 10 it looks low budget.

I took a few video classes and there's a lot that goes into lighting, color, make up, set design, costume design, etc. that makes the difference between a low budget video and a high budget video.

In particular, the videographer needs to know what colors the rapper will be wearing in the video and design the set accordingly. Thats part of the reason that Bone Crusher video looks so good, because they're wearing bright colors.

Did you take the video class around the time Billie Jean came out?

I was 9 years old when the Billie Jean video came out, but I maintain that its better than 99% of the videos that have been posted in the Reason over the past week.

That's beside the point, though... You are comparing fairly new independent mixtape rapper Young M.A. in 2017 to Michael fuckin Jackson in the 80s...

Bonecrusher had one hit song because he blew his budget on the video and features... in 20--whatever...

Why would Young M.A. spend her budget on a glossy visual for a song on a mixtape when she could make 20 videos for the cost of one of those... in 2017?

 

[joshrock]

People also think weed packaged like this

is better than weed packaged like this

Part of the reason I live my life on permanent vacation. Thanks yall.

 

[32DaysOfInfiniti]

Not reading three pages of this, but at the end of the day, the songs arent that great so why would the video be? Its not like these artists have amazing vision or great concepts, its just IDGAF music with IDGAF videos, the shit goes hand and hand.

And there are plenty of artists out here who take time to make good videos with storyline/direction, indy or not.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BUMNFpYaPEY


All indie

Universal is listed as the label in the damn opening credits of that Ram Squad song.

Fab was on Elektra which was a sister label to Warner Bros.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Major vs indie music videos for rappers and we talking about Michael Jackson

You obviously missed the point.

Michael Jackson was on a major label and made big budget videos.

Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaattaa were on independent labels and made lower budget videos.

But nowadays the videos people make look LOWER budget than the videos that Grandmaster Flash and Bambaattaa were making in 1982.

I'm not using hyperbole. I sincerely think that the videos from 1982 can compare with the new videos that people are making nowadays.

you're comparing MJ to grandmaster flash and afrika susbata

what if i told you MJ was just more talented than those cats and even if those rappers had big budgets they wouldn't be any more popular or famous. Again MJ is a once in a lifetime talent and the rappers you are talking about were just big rappers at the time of their prime.

 

[5 Grand]

Major vs indie music videos for rappers and we talking about Michael Jackson

You obviously missed the point.

Michael Jackson was on a major label and made big budget videos.

Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaattaa were on independent labels and made lower budget videos.

But nowadays the videos people make look LOWER budget than the videos that Grandmaster Flash and Bambaattaa were making in 1982.

I'm not using hyperbole. I sincerely think that the videos from 1982 can compare with the new videos that people are making nowadays.

you're comparing MJ to grandmaster flash and afrika susbata

what if i told you MJ was just more talented than those cats and even if those rappers had big budgets they wouldn't be any more popular or famous. Again MJ is a once in a lifetime talent and the rappers you are talking about were just big rappers at the time of their prime.

OK, so MJ was a bad example. How about these two videos? One of them is by Run DMC and the other is by Bad Boys feat K-Love. You tell me which video is better, and which video has stood the test of time.

King Of Rock - Run DMC


Bad Boys feat K-Love - Bad Boys feat K-Love


These videos both came out in 1985, over 30 years ago. My point is, whats the point of making a video that won't stand the test of time? Especially if you're waving around $100 bills like you have a lot of money. If you have that much money then make a better video!!!

 

[AP21]

i honestly dont even know what the point of this thread is anymore

i bought childish gambino's "awaken my love" based on the singles he had released, and to my knowledge, still hasnt released a video for either song

nobody is checking for the video to a song to determine if they gon buy the album or not

 

[5 Grand]

i honestly dont even know what the point of this thread is anymore

i bought childish gambino's "awaken my love" based on the singles he had released, and to my knowledge, still hasnt released a video for either song

nobody is checking for the video to a song to determine if they gon buy the album or not

Maybe not, but you can sell a DVD at Best Buy for $39.99 if its any good. I remember back when The Black Album came out they had a DVD called Fade To Black (I think) that was being sold for $39.99 at Best Buy. But it was professionally made. Best Buy probably wouldn't even carry a hood DVD with low budget videos, and if they did carry such a DVD it wouldn't be $39.99, it would be more like $14.99.

 

[AP21]

i honestly dont even know what the point of this thread is anymore

i bought childish gambino's "awaken my love" based on the singles he had released, and to my knowledge, still hasnt released a video for either song

nobody is checking for the video to a song to determine if they gon buy the album or not

Maybe not, but you can sell a DVD at Best Buy for $39.99 if its any good. I remember back when The Black Album came out they had a DVD called Fade To Black (I think) that was being sold for $39.99 at Best Buy. But it was professionally made. Best Buy probably wouldn't even carry a hood DVD with low budget videos, and if they did carry such a DVD it wouldn't be $39.99, it would be more like $14.99.

brah, did you even watch it?

it was basically a documentary about the process of making what many thought would be his last album. It was him talking to producers, laying out tracks, and giving their pov on what it meant to be on his *final album. It even played excerpts from his NY fade to black tour.

thats not the same AT ALL brah

 

[5 Grand]

i honestly dont even know what the point of this thread is anymore

i bought childish gambino's "awaken my love" based on the singles he had released, and to my knowledge, still hasnt released a video for either song

nobody is checking for the video to a song to determine if they gon buy the album or not

Maybe not, but you can sell a DVD at Best Buy for $39.99 if its any good. I remember back when The Black Album came out they had a DVD called Fade To Black (I think) that was being sold for $39.99 at Best Buy. But it was professionally made. Best Buy probably wouldn't even carry a hood DVD with low budget videos, and if they did carry such a DVD it wouldn't be $39.99, it would be more like $14.99.

brah, did you even watch it?

it was basically a documentary about the process of making what many thought would be his last album. It was him talking to producers, laying out tracks, and giving their pov on what it meant to be on his *final album. It even played excerpts from his NY fade to black tour.

thats not the same AT ALL brah

Yeah I watched it. My point is that something professionally made has a higher retail value than something made with a camcorder.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. The point I was trying to make is that people always say that independent is better than major because you keep more of the money. But you also don't generate as much revenue because you have a low budget video (amongst other things).

Being on a major has its perks. I don't see anything wrong with a new artist signing to a major and making real, big budget videos to jumpstart his career. There's only so far you can go with camcorder-straight to youtube-videos.

And who knows, maybe a new video channel is around the corner. Maybe a new cable channel will come out that plays strictly music videos. I remember my parents had something called MTV2 or BET Jams or something. I don't remember exactly what it was called but they played music videos 24/7. I don't know exactly what its called because I have basic cable so I don't get it.

Anyway, I'll leave you guys with this and gracefully bow out. Its an Erykah Badu video. Its very simple, one shot but its professionally done. Its 20X better than anything thats been posted on The Reason in the past week (except for those Michael Jackson videos I posted)

Window Seat - Erykah Badu

 

[AP21]

5grand...fam...it was a documentary lol...not a video

\but that erykah badu vid is different b/c iirc, didnt she direct it? or came up with the concept or something

 

[TayGettem]

i honestly dont even know what the point of this thread is anymore

i bought childish gambino's "awaken my love" based on the singles he had released, and to my knowledge, still hasnt released a video for either song

nobody is checking for the video to a song to determine if they gon buy the album or not

Maybe not, but you can sell a DVD at Best Buy for $39.99 if its any good. I remember back when The Black Album came out they had a DVD called Fade To Black (I think) that was being sold for $39.99 at Best Buy. But it was professionally made. Best Buy probably wouldn't even carry a hood DVD with low budget videos, and if they did carry such a DVD it wouldn't be $39.99, it would be more like $14.99.

brah, did you even watch it?

it was basically a documentary about the process of making what many thought would be his last album. It was him talking to producers, laying out tracks, and giving their pov on what it meant to be on his *final album. It even played excerpts from his NY fade to black tour.

thats not the same AT ALL brah

Yeah I watched it. My point is that something professionally made has a higher retail value than something made with a camcorder.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. The point I was trying to make is that people always say that independent is better than major because you keep more of the money. But you also don't generate as much revenue because you have a low budget video (amongst other things).

Being on a major has its perks. I don't see anything wrong with a new artist signing to a major and making real, big budget videos to jumpstart his career. There's only so far you can go with camcorder-straight to youtube-videos.

And who knows, maybe a new video channel is around the corner. Maybe a new cable channel will come out that plays strictly music videos. I remember my parents had something called MTV2 or BET Jams or something. I don't remember exactly what it was called but they played music videos 24/7. I don't know exactly what its called because I have basic cable so I don't get it.

Anyway, I'll leave you guys with this and gracefully bow out. Its an Erykah Badu video. Its very simple, one shot but its professionally done. Its 20X better than anything thats been posted on The Reason in the past week (except for those Michael Jackson videos I posted)

Window Seat - Erykah Badu

Ay bow out graciously and just stop 5

 

[trendsetta1030]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BUMNFpYaPEY


All indie

Universal is listed as the label in the damn opening credits of that Ram Squad song.

Fab was on Elektra which was a sister label to Warner Bros.

Los was sign 2 dessert storm…was under Elektra

Tommy was signed 2 universal not ram squad

 

[Qiv_Owan]

Knuck if U Buck video>>>

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Fade to black was a movie on his final show in New York and the making of black album. Of course it's going to be professionally made it was made for movie theaters not MTV

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

i honestly dont even know what the point of this thread is anymore

i bought childish gambino's "awaken my love" based on the singles he had released, and to my knowledge, still hasnt released a video for either song

nobody is checking for the video to a song to determine if they gon buy the album or not

Maybe not, but you can sell a DVD at Best Buy for $39.99 if its any good. I remember back when The Black Album came out they had a DVD called Fade To Black (I think) that was being sold for $39.99 at Best Buy. But it was professionally made. Best Buy probably wouldn't even carry a hood DVD with low budget videos, and if they did carry such a DVD it wouldn't be $39.99, it would be more like $14.99.

nigga there was no fade to black dvd for 39.99 sheittt hov woulda been the og hustler if he pulled that off. Also the only times i have seen that documentary was

1. Bootlegging it online back when it came out

2. Fuse or some other channel about 5 years ago

3. Another rerun on tv about 2 years ago

Niggas i know wasn't buying the dvd and that came out in 04

Major vs indie music videos for rappers and we talking about Michael Jackson

You obviously missed the point.

Michael Jackson was on a major label and made big budget videos.

Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaattaa were on independent labels and made lower budget videos.

But nowadays the videos people make look LOWER budget than the videos that Grandmaster Flash and Bambaattaa were making in 1982.

I'm not using hyperbole. I sincerely think that the videos from 1982 can compare with the new videos that people are making nowadays.

you're comparing MJ to grandmaster flash and afrika susbata

what if i told you MJ was just more talented than those cats and even if those rappers had big budgets they wouldn't be any more popular or famous. Again MJ is a once in a lifetime talent and the rappers you are talking about were just big rappers at the time of their prime.

OK, so MJ was a bad example. How about these two videos? One of them is by Run DMC and the other is by Bad Boys feat K-Love. You tell me which video is better, and which video has stood the test of time.

King Of Rock - Run DMC


Bad Boys feat K-Love - Bad Boys feat K-Love


These videos both came out in 1985, over 30 years ago. My point is, whats the point of making a video that won't stand the test of time? Especially if you're waving around $100 bills like you have a lot of money. If you have that much money then make a better video!!!

Neither of these videos is played frequently in 2017 and Run DMC is the bigger brand because they had more hits a longer run and Rev Run had a tv show. And when i first listened to the entire tougher than leather album (i knew the hits prior to runs house) I listened to it because i was watching runs house again bringing the run DMC brand back to the forefront when i was a teenager watching MTV.

When it comes to classic music catching on with 26 years old like me or the kids now i mentor that are 11-18 it has nothing to do with which music video was high budget dumb ole ass nigga. It has everything to do with how well the audio or the actual music you listen to. These kids can literally google search an old head or classic rapper then find a way to bootleg their discography in minutes. They ain't downloading old videos they download the audio. The listen to the audio on youtube. They could give a fuck how much money the label gave them for the video.

 

[trendsetta1030]

Dolph indie… this his rise

 

[natural born sinners]

high production big budget music videos are obsolete now and dont matter at all because nobody cares about music videos like they did before

Maybe nobody cares about music videos anymore because 95% of them look low budget.

Na..nobody cares about videos bc all the shows that played videos that led to record sales aren't around anymore, also artist learned how to hustle smarter n not overspend on videos. Artist were owing labels mad money after those big budget videos. "Waterfalls" pretty much put the nail in TLC's budget n was part of the reason they filed for bankruptcy. Successful artist always learn from other artists failures. Big n Pac are the reason jay-z avoided serious rap/street beef throughout his career, he saw up close that shit wasn't good for business