People Say Indie>>>Major But Lets Look At The Videos

[5 Grand]

Someone should start a BET uncut appreciation thread

inb4

I'm tryin to kick it tonight. So baby tell me what that thang smell like. lol

One of the best Rap hooks of all time.

That video proves my point.

Its so low budget that you can't take it seriously. Nobody would check for anything else they've ever done.

 

[power_wisdom]

This video cost no more than 10k


And this video cost well under 5k facts

You kinda proved my point.

The first video was somewhat low budget except for the helicopter shots. You can tell whoever made it used an expensive camera, but some of the shots were pointless and low budget. I'd give it a C+

The second video was much better and I'd wager that it cost more than 5K, not because there were special effects and a lot going on, rather, because it was simple yet perfect. All of the shots in the second video were perfect. Whoever directed that second video had an eye for photography. Also, the colors and make up were professionally done. I'd give it a B+

Both videos were better than the Young M.A. video but I still maintain that the Bone Crusher video was better than both of the videos you posted.

And neither video was as good as Michael Jackson's Billie Jean video. Billie Jean gets an A+

Billie Jean - Michael Jackson

The second video was by a good friend of mine. He paid way less than 5k for it. Trust me. Which prove my point. People charge what they want, but if you have the know how and the equipment and can make a video that can get mtv jams ( Bet jam) play for under 2k.

He might have paid less than 5K to produce it but he probably charged the artist >5K. And if he didn't he should have. That second video is worth 10-15K imo.

Are you guys playing dumb or do you agree with me? Bigger budget videos are just better than low budget videos.

A professionally made video with professional lighting and set design, color coordination, special effects, etc. will stand the test of time. Those low budget videos with just a camcorder and a rapper standing in front of the projects with his homies is corny. Anybody on the IC could make a low budget video and upload it and thats what people are doing nowadays. Its been going on for about a decade now, maybe longer.

When I check for videos on Youtube I notice the difference. There's a lot of videos that are clear because they used a high budget camera, but the composition of the shots, the colors, the background and all of the details are lacking.

I think an independent artist should make the biggest budget video he can afford, not the cheapest video he can possibly make.

My friend is the artist. He paid well under 5k. You charge what you want. It's your equipment. Most companies start off trying to get their name out their and building their brand. They might do a video on the low because the think the artist have talent. I' m in the business. Everything is negotiable. If you have a 20k camera and no one knows you, and you don't have a big profolio or name, who going pay you 20k for a video. You not going put a crappy video out with your name on it if you have the capability to make a better piece of work. You know why? Cause your reputation is all you have in the business. Most companies always looking for work. No one going do subpar work cause its a low budget shoot if they can do better.

 

[5 Grand]

This video cost no more than 10k


And this video cost well under 5k facts

You kinda proved my point.

The first video was somewhat low budget except for the helicopter shots. You can tell whoever made it used an expensive camera, but some of the shots were pointless and low budget. I'd give it a C+

The second video was much better and I'd wager that it cost more than 5K, not because there were special effects and a lot going on, rather, because it was simple yet perfect. All of the shots in the second video were perfect. Whoever directed that second video had an eye for photography. Also, the colors and make up were professionally done. I'd give it a B+

Both videos were better than the Young M.A. video but I still maintain that the Bone Crusher video was better than both of the videos you posted.

And neither video was as good as Michael Jackson's Billie Jean video. Billie Jean gets an A+

Billie Jean - Michael Jackson

The second video was by a good friend of mine. He paid way less than 5k for it. Trust me. Which prove my point. People charge what they want, but if you have the know how and the equipment and can make a video that can get mtv jams ( Bet jam) play for under 2k.

He might have paid less than 5K to produce it but he probably charged the artist >5K. And if he didn't he should have. That second video is worth 10-15K imo.

Are you guys playing dumb or do you agree with me? Bigger budget videos are just better than low budget videos.

A professionally made video with professional lighting and set design, color coordination, special effects, etc. will stand the test of time. Those low budget videos with just a camcorder and a rapper standing in front of the projects with his homies is corny. Anybody on the IC could make a low budget video and upload it and thats what people are doing nowadays. Its been going on for about a decade now, maybe longer.

When I check for videos on Youtube I notice the difference. There's a lot of videos that are clear because they used a high budget camera, but the composition of the shots, the colors, the background and all of the details are lacking.

I think an independent artist should make the biggest budget video he can afford, not the cheapest video he can possibly make.

My friend is the artist. He paid well under 5k. You charge what you want. It's your equipment. Most companies start off trying to get their name out their and building their brand. They might do a video on the low because the think the artist have talent. I' m in the business. Everything is negotiable. If you have a 20k camera and no one knows you, and you don't have a big profolio or name, who going pay you 20k for a video. You not going put a crappy video out with your name on it if you have the capability to make a better piece of work. You know why? Cause your reputation is all you have in the business. Most companies always looking for work. No one going do subpar work cause its a low budget shoot if they can do better.

Good point.

If you were going to spend 5K on a video would you hire your friend or whoever shot that Young M.A. video?

 

[power_wisdom]

This video cost no more than 10k


And this video cost well under 5k facts

You kinda proved my point.

The first video was somewhat low budget except for the helicopter shots. You can tell whoever made it used an expensive camera, but some of the shots were pointless and low budget. I'd give it a C+

The second video was much better and I'd wager that it cost more than 5K, not because there were special effects and a lot going on, rather, because it was simple yet perfect. All of the shots in the second video were perfect. Whoever directed that second video had an eye for photography. Also, the colors and make up were professionally done. I'd give it a B+

Both videos were better than the Young M.A. video but I still maintain that the Bone Crusher video was better than both of the videos you posted.

And neither video was as good as Michael Jackson's Billie Jean video. Billie Jean gets an A+

Billie Jean - Michael Jackson

The second video was by a good friend of mine. He paid way less than 5k for it. Trust me. Which prove my point. People charge what they want, but if you have the know how and the equipment and can make a video that can get mtv jams ( Bet jam) play for under 2k.

He might have paid less than 5K to produce it but he probably charged the artist >5K. And if he didn't he should have. That second video is worth 10-15K imo.

Are you guys playing dumb or do you agree with me? Bigger budget videos are just better than low budget videos.

A professionally made video with professional lighting and set design, color coordination, special effects, etc. will stand the test of time. Those low budget videos with just a camcorder and a rapper standing in front of the projects with his homies is corny. Anybody on the IC could make a low budget video and upload it and thats what people are doing nowadays. Its been going on for about a decade now, maybe longer.

When I check for videos on Youtube I notice the difference. There's a lot of videos that are clear because they used a high budget camera, but the composition of the shots, the colors, the background and all of the details are lacking.

I think an independent artist should make the biggest budget video he can afford, not the cheapest video he can possibly make.

My friend is the artist. He paid well under 5k. You charge what you want. It's your equipment. Most companies start off trying to get their name out their and building their brand. They might do a video on the low because the think the artist have talent. I' m in the business. Everything is negotiable. If you have a 20k camera and no one knows you, and you don't have a big profolio or name, who going pay you 20k for a video. You not going put a crappy video out with your name on it if you have the capability to make a better piece of work. You know why? Cause your reputation is all you have in the business. Most companies always looking for work. No one going do subpar work cause its a low budget shoot if they can do better.

Good point.

If you were going to spend 5K on a video would you hire your friend or whoever shot that Young M.A. video?

My friend is the artist. But who ever had the best profolio and who could work with my budget. If I have 500 dollars, the I know what I can get. It's also about networking. The guy who shot Young ma video then could had bought better equipment and now shooting better videos. But he worked with her and she might work with him again or send more business his way, if he or she still in the business. The more you shoot and edited, the better you get in most cases.

 

[BenjaminE]

An independent can hire a professional who use a digital camera and not film to make a video that cheaper. Fight club for example by the Migos was made by an independent company.

But thats not what they do. They get one of their homies to shoot the video and 9 times out of 10 it looks low budget.

I took a few video classes and there's a lot that goes into lighting, color, make up, set design, costume design, etc. that makes the difference between a low budget video and a high budget video.

In particular, the videographer needs to know what colors the rapper will be wearing in the video and design the set accordingly. Thats part of the reason that Bone Crusher video looks so good, because they're wearing bright colors.

Did you take the video class around the time Billie Jean came out?

 

[5 Grand]

An independent can hire a professional who use a digital camera and not film to make a video that cheaper. Fight club for example by the Migos was made by an independent company.

But thats not what they do. They get one of their homies to shoot the video and 9 times out of 10 it looks low budget.

I took a few video classes and there's a lot that goes into lighting, color, make up, set design, costume design, etc. that makes the difference between a low budget video and a high budget video.

In particular, the videographer needs to know what colors the rapper will be wearing in the video and design the set accordingly. Thats part of the reason that Bone Crusher video looks so good, because they're wearing bright colors.

Did you take the video class around the time Billie Jean came out?

I was 9 years old when the Billie Jean video came out, but I maintain that its better than 99% of the videos that have been posted in the Reason over the past week.

 

[trendsetta1030]

Everybody says that indie is the way to go because you get more royalties. An artist signed to a major might get $.25 per unit sold whereas an independent artist who presses his own CDs and sells them at shows might get $5 per CD after recoupable expenses. So in that scenario the independent artist wins.

But there's something that a major label can do that you can't do yourself, namely music videos.

Anybody can get a camcorder and go out on the street with his homies and shoot a video, then go home and edit it and upload it to Youtube. But a major label can make a high budget video with professional lighting, professional models, a set designer, costume design, professional lighting and the whole 9 yards.

Here's an old video I came across last night. It occurred to me that this video must have been made by a professional video company. This isn't some independent rapper with a camcorder

Never Scared - Bone Crusher


Here's a Young M.A. video called Body Bag. This isn't to throw any shade at Young M.A. I actually like the song but the video is lacking. I could post a gang of low budget videos but this is one that came to mind.

Body Bag - Young M.A.


My point is that major labels can make better videos than independent artists. And the Bone Crusher Video is 15 years old. They were using 15 year old technology but its still miles ahead of the Young M.A. video.

Your thoughts?

Different cams different year…

 

[Tsotsi Cape Town]

Nigga you have a one hot thread every ten attempt average #woatthreadmaker

 

[TayGettem]

high production big budget music videos are obsolete now and dont matter at all because nobody cares about music videos like they did before

Maybe nobody cares about music videos anymore because 95% of them look low budget.

Lemme just nip this in the butt. Ur saying just because a major can make a high quality video (that'll come out my pay anyway) I should sign to them. Instead of just getting a indie video guy pay him $100 and shot a video. An what do u mean by quality do u mean how clear it is. Cuz I can post plenty of clear indie videos. Besides indie is more authentic I rather get on fb and say imma shot a video and have 30 of my friends show up and turn up for free. Than pay some professionals to pretend like they fck with me.

 

[i ro ny]

Dude named one of the last reasons any artist in 2017 should give a fuck about a major label.

 

[AP21]

Someone should start a BET uncut appreciation thread

inb4

I'm tryin to kick it tonight. So baby tell me what that thang smell like. lol

One of the best Rap hooks of all time.

This video is 10X better

lol

do you even know where they shot this video? they were already going a concert at that park and it wasnt out of the ordinary to have people from the label with cameras around. They didnt go into a huge concept meeting to pitch ideas for a back dat azz up video fam lol

besides, you no longer have the outlets that were designed to promote videos like your 106 and parks, MTV, etc...

go on youtube, present your video, and get a % of the ads from people watching your shit. You dont need a label to do that.

 

[MECCA1000]

How you gonna throw MJ, an established artist with a history of making hits to the pioneers of hip hop ........ people thought rap was just a passing fad ...... you of all people should know this ..... smh ...... so of course Flash and them wasn't getting a big budget video ......

Look at drake who is a couple albums in getting major coin ..... that chump made a low budget video dancing in a box ......

Thing about you 5 ....... even when your argument has been shot down ...... you keep on yapping ...... stfu lol

 

[5 Grand]

So basically I'm the only person on the IC that enjoys a well made, professionally produced video?

I don't believe it. I think you guys are playing dumb.

 

[TayGettem]

So basically I'm the only person on the IC that enjoys a well made, professionally produced video?

I don't believe it. I think you guys are playing dumb.

Nobody's playing dumb but like people have said in so many of your other "old people rock" threads times have changed

 

[5 Grand]

So basically I'm the only person on the IC that enjoys a well made, professionally produced video?

I don't believe it. I think you guys are playing dumb.

Nobody's playing dumb but like people have said in so many of your other "old people rock" threads times have changed

Well I maintain that Michael Jackson was on to something when he made those videos in the early 80s.

Remember the majors didn't have an oligopoly in the early 80s, there were still independent labels. And the independent labels in the early 80s were sending low budget videos to MTV. Michael Jackson blew away the competition via music videos. His videos were so far ahead of the curve that regular TV stations (not BET or MTV) would play his videos at random times during the day.

Nowadays the ante is so low that I could make a video on my phone today and upload it to youtube and share the link on The Reason tomorrow. Literally ANYBODY can make a video. And 95% of the videos that people make aren't worth watching.

 

[d1al_t0ne]

Niggas really debating majors vs indies in 2017 based on music video budgets?

Lol, then we wonder why people are still signing fucked up deals and contracts.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

5 grandpa no offense but you are out of touch. Low budget fight videos are getting more views than high quality videos from staged pranks. The content of the video/song is valued more than the plot of the video.

There was a time when niggas paid attention to the plot of the video back when you were still under the retirement age. But now most people are playing videos to hear the music on their phone or at work for free and not even looking at the youtube tab but doing something else like playing video games or chillen with friends.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

So basically I'm the only person on the IC that enjoys a well made, professionally produced video?

I don't believe it. I think you guys are playing dumb.

Nobody's playing dumb but like people have said in so many of your other "old people rock" threads times have changed

Well I maintain that Michael Jackson was on to something when he made those videos in the early 80s.

Remember the majors didn't have an oligopoly in the early 80s, there were still independent labels. And the independent labels in the early 80s were sending low budget videos to MTV. Michael Jackson blew away the competition via music videos. His videos were so far ahead of the curve that regular TV stations (not BET or MTV) would play his videos at random times during the day.

Nowadays the ante is so low that I could make a video on my phone today and upload it to youtube and share the link on The Reason tomorrow. Literally ANYBODY can make a video. And 95% of the videos that people make aren't worth watching.

Michael Jackson could dance giving his music videos an extra sense of value back in the 80's. If he could only sing music videos wouldn't have meant shit. So his live shows did as much as the thriller video in gaining fans. Also the use of the music video by an artist is less about viewing the video and more about playing it for free by teenagers and other people who just want the audio without having to log into itunes or spotify.

Michael Jackson was a once in a lifetime performer hence why videos worked for him. Even guys i put above him musically like Stevie wonder didn't need videos at any point in his career his music spoke for everything. Talented artists and low talented artists now and even back in the day need to capture people with their personality of the stage or their on track/stage presence more than paying hype williams to make a plot for them on a music video.

 

[Beta]

Major vs indie music videos for rappers and we talking about Michael Jackson

 

[trendsetta1030]

All indie