Official ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC THREAD

[And Step]

Hitler personally gave props to Jesse Owens. Eisenhower never even mentioned him.

America is worse than Hitler.

I never heard that one, before.

But I guess when an inferior sons a whole field of superiors, then you really can't turn around and say " Man, fuck that nigga!"

 

[And Step]

But seriously, you were sent to prison, And Sashay.

Did you plead guilty? Who did you sell out? Why did you do that?

The only time I set foot in a prison was to visit your moms. We had a nice partnership, I fronted her cash and she used to sell kufis and bagels on 127th, but she never wanted to do it on the up and up and get her vendor license, so she got knocked for 3 months. I kept her commisary up though. After all, she made me a nice amount of cheese.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

Since you've dropped the fake academic smart nigga gimmick, everybody can see that you've caught feelings, my nigga.

So tell us your story. Why did you get locked up, why did you plead guilty, and how much of a struggle was it for a frail geek like yourself to maintain your manhood?

 

[And Step]

Why are you overly concerned with my feelings and why do you want me to reveal prison stories about anal rape?

I'm not comfortable with this line of questioning and probing(NoNY).

 

[fiat_money]

Theism
Bitheism
Agnosticism
Gnosticism
Racism
Atomism
Hylotheism
Geocentrism
Egalitarianism
Bullionism
Catastrophism
Gradualism
Hedonism
Individualism
Idealism
Historicism
Eidolism
Romanticism
Eternalism
Finalism
Fortuitism
Conservatism
Constructivism
Monism
Intellectualism

^^^Just some other things that'd be considered religions under the "Atheism is a religion because being an atheist qualifies as devoting oneself to atheism." reasoning.

...Saying that someone having a belief qualifies as devoting themselves to that same belief merely because they have it as a belief is a logical paradox.

LOL. But yeh, this thread is becoming less interesting.

 

[noirwar]

What does it matter to put Atheism into a category of religion? What does it change if it is or isn't?

Stone Cold Answer for all right there. No need to site a home for the outsiders let them be "outside".

 

[noirwar]

What the hell are you talking about? Topple naysayers? The AntiChrist is Christ Like? Seriously you are taking extreme liberties with interpretations of what is being said. But I will run on your tangent and say a better comparison would be like saying that Both Chemists and Alchemists use chemicals and Both Astrologers and Astronomers study the stars , Hell even the church of Satan and The Christian Church both believe in the Devil and God. On that Note Atheism and Theism seem to have equally devout and closed minded disciples and equally as many tangents and diverging criteria upon which they base there beliefs showing that there faith in being correct about all...

You have to understand that there is no found sect that can be culminated to a Crop. Believers or not. That is all my friend. I know that people try to simplify shit but. Fiat broke it down looooooooong before it got here. Props to you because I was wrong because you have lured people out. But I say for what? Nothing will happen in this thread following the topic you created. No trolling but real shit.

 

[janklow]

I don't really think it is a religion, it isn't a system of faith or any type of worship. But that's me..

okay, i'm ready to make a ruling on this. consider yourself ... ATHEIST

now enjoy whatever atheist holidays there are, like... uh... Flag Day, maybe? doesn't seem very religious, anyway

Go Angels!

booo

 

[VIBE]

okay, i'm ready to make a ruling on this. consider yourself ... ATHEIST

now enjoy whatever atheist holidays there are, like... uh... Flag Day, maybe? doesn't seem very religious, anyway

booo

Yeah, Flag Day lol

Booooo? We're in 1st, no boooo lol we're gonna be champs this year *coughs* yeah *coughs* right

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

You have to understand that there is no found sect that can be culminated to a Crop. Believers or not. That is all my friend. I know that people try to simplify shit but. Fiat broke it down looooooooong before it got here. Props to you because I was wrong because you have lured people out. But I say for what? Nothing will happen in this thread following the topic you created. No trolling but real shit.

Then you have completely missed the point of the thread as Fiat Broke nothing down but how he felt about the subject. Theism is a component of many religions and so is atheism. That said atheism is as much religion as theism is there is no way to seperate it and if it is not religion as some who are offended by that label inisist then this is the wrong forum section and site to discuss it...

 

[fiat_money]

...Theism is a component of many religions and so is atheism. That said atheism is as much religion as theism is there is no way to seperate it and if it is not religion as some who are offended by that label inisist then this is the wrong forum section and site to discuss it...

This is where you make the mistake of calling something a "religion", merely because it can be used as a component in a religion.

That's like calling a slice of cheese a "sandwich", merely because a slice of cheese can be used as a component in a sandwich.

In the same way that theism is not a religion, neither is atheism.

Religion
b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
Religious
1
: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

2
: of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances

...Religious positions are positions based on some form of devotion to institutionalized sets/systems of beliefs or devotion to perceived orders/instructions from god(s). There are no institutionalized sets/systems of beliefs or god(s) with atheism to devote oneself to, so atheism is not a religious position...

...Atheism is only a belief/disbelief/lack of belief regarding the existence of god(s). For your claim that atheism is a religious belief or a belief about religion to be true, the existence god(s) would have to be the same as religion. This is not the case. Furthermore, religion/religious is not defined as "belief in god(s)", so atheism doesn't qualify as a religious belief or a belief about religion using the definitions of religion/religious either. Inversely, "god" isn't defined as "a concept exclusive to religion", so it's possible for a belief/disbelief/lack of belief regarding the existence of god(s) not have nothing to do with religion...

So, since atheism doesn't fit the definition of "religion" and it is not exclusive to religion, atheism is not a religion.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

This is where you make the mistake of calling something a "religion", merely because it can be used as a component in a religion.

That's like calling a slice of cheese a "sandwich", merely because a slice of cheese can be used as a component in a sandwich.

In the same way that theism is not a religion, neither is atheism.

So, since atheism doesn't fit the definition of "religion" and it is not exclusive to religion, atheism is not a religion.

I wonder how much searching you had to do to find such a biased and exclusive defintion...

Well that premise is not true either as some obviously do consider it a religion or cult, in some established religions it is a prime prinicple, my point in discussing was to spark conversation and debate on the matter which is why I thought we are all here. And agreement on status does not make or negat3e something from being what it is so the lack of uniformity on even what atheism is or stands for leave tons of room for interpretation. Let me ask this if you do not like a subject or the basis why bother discussing it? The classification and religious status holds even more significane when we are discussing it here in this forum because if it is not a type of religion and defintely not a race then why is it even discussed in this forum???

the Irony as I see multiple threads on the topic and your presented and self inclusion as a Atheist that seems to lean more towards agnostics, here is the point in which you showed disdain about the subject discussion...

Again...

There are many sports fanatics that treat the respective sport of their obsession as a religion, I do not disagree about the divisiveness of many religions nor the hypocritcal stances many of them take at times. Hell I made a point of that throughout the thread I pointed out simple traits of Uniformity that Atheists share amongst themselves and how the trains of thought, Identification and belief are parallel to most other religions in their own ways. Ultimate point being that it should be acknowledge as a religion and that those posting in its support here validate that status with every post in the religion section of this and other sites...

Then you have completely missed the point of the thread as Fiat Broke nothing down but how he felt about the subject. Theism is a component of many religions and so is atheism. That said atheism is as much religion as theism is there is no way to seperate it and if it is not religion as some who are offended by that label inisist then this is the wrong forum section and site to discuss it...

I got my defintition from dictionary.com

re·li·gion
Origin:
1150–1200; Middle English religioun (< Old French religion ) < Latin religiōn- (stem of religiō ) conscientiousness, piety, equivalent to relig ( āre ) to tie, fasten ( re- re- + ligāre to bind, tie; compare ligament) + -iōn- -ion; compare rely

–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

—Idiom 9. get religion, Informal . a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.

b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.

So running further on this does Atheism adhere to these more accurrate and encompassing definitions of Religion???

Alll that said again the question should be if Atheism is not a religion then why discuss it here? Even though I have shown why it should be considered a religion I still stress this point...

 

[fiat_money]

I wonder how much searching you had to do to find such a biased and exclusive defintion...
...
I got my defintition from dictionary.com
...
So running further on this does Atheism adhere to these more accurrate and encompassing definitions of Religion???

I typically use Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary when citing definitions, for consistency.

But your definition is fine too. Since atheism is neither a "set of beliefs" or a "set of practices"; according to the Dictionary.com definition you posted, atheism is not a religion:

re·li·gion
Origin:
1150–1200; Middle English religioun (< Old French religion ) < Latin religiōn- (stem of religiō ) conscientiousness, piety, equivalent to relig ( āre ) to tie, fasten ( re- re- + ligāre to bind, tie; compare ligament) + -iōn- -ion; compare rely

–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

—Idiom 9. get religion, Informal . a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.

b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.

So, since atheism doesn't fit the definition of "religion" and it is not exclusive to religion, atheism is not a religion.

 

[Knives Amilli]

I wonder how much searching you had to do to find such a biased and exclusive defintion...

I got my defintition from dictionary.com

Alll that said again the question should be if Atheism is not a religion then why discuss it here? Even though I have shown why it should be considered a religion I still stress this point...

You just shot yourself in the foot since atheism has no set of beliefs or practices. Its a rejection of a belief in a deity. THATS IT.

 

[fiat_money]

...Alll that said again the question should be if Atheism is not a religion then why discuss it here?...

I don't know about other people, but I discuss atheism here for the same reason I discuss it in G&S, AKA Donkey, and the main Social Lounge forum.

 

[VIBE]

I can't believe this thread is still going as it is. Who cares, fuck let's just say it is and Fazeem can move on.

 

[fiat_money]

I can't believe this thread is still going as it is. Who cares, fuck let's just say it is and Fazeem can move on.

That doesn't seem like a very interesting/amusing way to do things.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

I typically use Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary when citing definitions, for consistency.

But your definition is fine too. Since atheism is neither a "set of beliefs" or a "set of practices"; according to the Dictionary.com definition you posted, atheism is not a religion:So, since atheism doesn't fit the definition of "religion" and it is not exclusive to religion, atheism is not a religion.

You just shot yourself in the foot since atheism has no set of beliefs or practices. Its a rejection of a belief in a deity. THATS IT.

I can't believe this thread is still going as it is. Who cares, fuck let's just say it is and Fazeem can move on.

Lets correct another fallacy being perpetuated and define Atheism...

a·the·ism

/ˈeɪ

θiˌɪz

əm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uh

m] Show IPA
–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Origin:
1580–90; < Greek áthe ( os ) godless + -ism

—Related forms
an·ti·a·the·ism, adjective, noun
pro·a·the·ism, noun

World English Dictionary
atheism (ˈeɪθɪˌɪzəm) — n rejection of belief in God or gods [C16: from French athéisme, from Greek atheos godless, from a- 1 + theos god]

Cultural Dictionary
atheism [( ay -thee-iz-uhm)]

Denial that there is a God. ( Compare agnosticism.)

Word Origin & History

atheism

1580s, from Fr. athéisme (16c.), from Gk. atheos "without god" (see atheist).

Now given the defintion of shared set of Beliefs as a defining point of relgion Atheist share a Belief that there is no God and there is no Supernatural Correct? That being the case they qualify as a set of Beliefs given there is more then 1 shared belief...

 

[fiat_money]

...Now given the defintion of shared set of Beliefs as a defining point of relgion Atheist share a Belief that there is no God and there is no Supernatural Correct? That being the case they qualify as a set of Beliefs given there is more then 1 shared belief...

No, the belief or position that there is nothing "supernatural" is metaphysical naturalism or just naturalism, atheism is the lack of belief or disbelief in gods/deities (which are also called "supreme beings", "the creator", etc). Because of this, atheism is not a "set of beliefs", since it is only a lack of belief or disbelief in one thing, the existence of god(s); whether these proposed god(s) are called "gods", "deities" "supreme beings" or "the creator".

So, since atheism doesn't fit the definition of "religion" and it is not exclusive to religion, atheism is not a religion.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

You're all fukin wrong, atheism means without deity, godless, it's french. And unable to be a religion.