Misogynoir: Black women are placed at the bottom because of anti-Blackness (long read)

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".

Yeah so ???? We collectively expect women to make that sacrifice.The same way we expect men to give up bonding time with our kids to ensure the economic health of of our families.

And what is wrong with expecting men to fill the "provider" role

 

[desertrain10]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".

Yeah so ???? We collectively expect women to make that sacrifice.The same way we expect men to give up bonding time with our kids to ensure the economic health of of our families.

And what is wrong with expecting men to fill the "provider" role

If the mother of ur child asked, would you be willing to be a stay at home dad while she worked?

That is she was making just as much if not more money than you were

 

[desertrain10]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

I agree to a certain extent but you have to consider what is natural first. Most women if you told them to give up their child and go back to work after giving will not want to do it. Their is a natural bonding that they will want to do and the child needs.

Men on the other hand didn't have a little person growing inside them for 9 months.

So, why would men sacrifice their career when it actually doesn't help women ultimately. Consider bonding, recovery, what is inherently best for the child. Then you would expect the child to be with mom.

Would you be willing to support policy that guaranteed every working mother maternity leave and affordable day care services?

 

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".

Yeah so ???? We collectively expect women to make that sacrifice.The same way we expect men to give up bonding time with our kids to ensure the economic health of of our families.

And what is wrong with expecting men to fill the "provider" role

If the mother of ur child asked, would you be willing to be a stay at home dad while she worked?

That is she was making just as much if not more money than you were

It depends on the circumstances, if I am sick yes I would stay home. If she psychologically needs to feel more fulfilled by getting a job then I would stay home if necessary for a while.

 

[Shuffington]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".

Yeah so ???? We collectively expect women to make that sacrifice.The same way we expect men to give up bonding time with our kids to ensure the economic health of of our families.

And what is wrong with expecting men to fill the "provider" role

If the mother of ur child asked, would you be willing to be a stay at home dad while she worked?

That is she was making just as much if not more money than you were

Where in the black community does that happen ?!?!?

 

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".

Yeah so ???? We collectively expect women to make that sacrifice.The same way we expect men to give up bonding time with our kids to ensure the economic health of of our families.

And what is wrong with expecting men to fill the "provider" role

If the mother of ur child asked, would you be willing to be a stay at home dad while she worked?

That is she was making just as much if not more money than you were

Where in the black community does that happen ?!?!?

Right?? That shit almost never happens

 

[BEAM]

Where in the black community does that happen ?!?!?

Right?? That shit almost never happens

And, what's your point?

Stay at Home Fathers are only less prevalent because they aren't status quo, not because they're any less efficient or capable.

These discussions always flesh out in the exact same ways. You have open-minded progressives that suggest new ways of doing things, and you've got closed-minded conservative thinkers that argue simply because change makes them uncomfortable.

You niggas have no point. You never do.

 

[zzombie]

Where in the black community does that happen ?!?!?

Right?? That shit almost never happens

And, what's your point?

Stay at Home Fathers are only less prevalent because they aren't status quo, not because they're any less efficient or capable.

These discussions always flesh out in the exact same ways. You have open-minded progressives that suggest new ways of doing things, and you've got closed-minded conservative thinkers that argue simply because change makes them uncomfortable.

You niggas have no point. You never do.

Did you read his post carefully??? He asked when do a black woman ask their Men to stay home. he never questioned the ability of men to be good stay at home fathers you liberal idiot.

New ways of doing things are not always the best.

 

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

I agree to a certain extent but you have to consider what is natural first. Most women if you told them to give up their child and go back to work after giving will not want to do it. Their is a natural bonding that they will want to do and the child needs.

Men on the other hand didn't have a little person growing inside them for 9 months.

So, why would men sacrifice their career when it actually doesn't help women ultimately. Consider bonding, recovery, what is inherently best for the child. Then you would expect the child to be with mom.

Would you be willing to support policy that guaranteed every working mother maternity leave and affordable day care services?

Not with my fucking tax money

 

[BEAM]

Did you read his post carefully??? He asked when do a black woman ask their Men to stay home. he never questioned the ability of men to be good stay at home fathers you liberal idiot.

New ways of doing things are not always the best.

Stop being so literal to hold on to your point, because it isn't there.

The question represented a role reversal, not a literal question and answer model.

And old ways of doing things aren't always best either, so again.. What's your point?

 

[LPast]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

I agree to a certain extent but you have to consider what is natural first. Most women if you told them to give up their child and go back to work after giving will not want to do it. Their is a natural bonding that they will want to do and the child needs.

Men on the other hand didn't have a little person growing inside them for 9 months.

So, why would men sacrifice their career when it actually doesn't help women ultimately. Consider bonding, recovery, what is inherently best for the child. Then you would expect the child to be with mom.

Would you be willing to support policy that guaranteed every working mother maternity leave and affordable day care services?

100% should be at least 1 full year. I would be all for it. I think Virgin is doing that for some their employees now.

 

[taeboo]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".

Yeah so ???? We collectively expect women to make that sacrifice.The same way we expect men to give up bonding time with our kids to ensure the economic health of of our families.

And what is wrong with expecting men to fill the "provider" role

Because the man being simply the provider and the woman being at home doesn't always work. What if the woman has the better career path? What if the man is the more nurturing parent? There are many people who feel like they don't feel like they have a real relationship with their fathers because he sacrificed too much of his time to work. And part of the reason our family law is so lopsided is because of these traditional roles.

 

[BEAM]

^

But traditional gender roles allow men to stay in positions of power and authority, so all of the other common sense considerations you've mentioned are simply out of the question, unfortunately.

 

[Shuffington]

Where in the black community does that happen ?!?!?

Right?? That shit almost never happens

And, what's your point?

Stay at Home Fathers are only less prevalent because they aren't status quo, not because they're any less efficient or capable.

These discussions always flesh out in the exact same ways. You have open-minded progressives that suggest new ways of doing things, and you've got closed-minded conservative thinkers that argue simply because change makes them uncomfortable.

You niggas have no point. You never do.

haha dude.. relax.. geezus..….

to ALOT of women….… a stay at home dad is just a "N*gga that can't find a job" …. lol

Trust a lot of women get pressure from other women (including there moms!) to find the richest ballling'est dude out their.

They'll get laughed out of the inner circle messing with a dude who is perceived to not be financially providing.

I'm not knocking a SAHD at all but… i RARELY, IF EVER hear, see , or read about black women being Ok with a man being a stay at home dad. That sh*t is super rare. Kudos to the ones who are tho.

 

[kingblaze84]

When I was in undergrad at Spelman College, taking a sociology course, we had some black male students from Morehouse in the course. Can't remember what the topic was, but it was about rape, in a way. It caused me to be instantly amazed how many black men lack, or didn't understand a womans right to exist, and to control her mind and body.

I later learned that many black men view black women the same way white men viewed black women on slave plantations. The problem is black men are coddled in the black community, we place value more so on the life of black men than black women, due to the projection from the outside world. Many black women value the lives of the black men in their life, than their own or the women in their lives.

The more darker you are the less human you are too many. Your worth as a woman is largely judge and valued based on your approximate to non-blackness. This why a lot of these fuck boys are obsessed with non-black women. They lack the power to exalt a black woman, unless she mixed with the genes from another race. Because we view darkskin as masculine, and light skin as feminine.

Many love to deny it but its the truth. You get attacked for stating this stuff, even black men who state this stuff are often attacked but its the truth. We are the only race on the planet thats against our "root" mother. If you are of the black race, no matter what your mother looked like, or grandmother, the first woman you came from was a dark skin charcoal black woman. Yet, we place no value on woman who are such. We think our mother was Lena Horne.

Wrong on the generalizations but I see your point. SOME Black men are sexist and don't value a woman's body but you can't say most are, come on.

And many Black men love dark skin women, plenty of dark skin women get play from what I see. If a chick is dark skin and happens to NOT get play, it's probably because she's just not that attractive or has a weight problem.

 

[BEAM]

haha dude.. relax.. geezus..….

to ALOT of women….… a stay at home dad is just a "N*gga that can't find a job" …. lol

Trust a lot of women get pressure from other women (including there moms!) to find the richest ballling'est dude out their.

They'll get laughed out of the inner circle messing with a dude who is perceived to not be financially providing.

I'm not knocking a SAHD at all but… i RARELY, IF EVER hear, see , or read about black women being Ok with a man being a stay at home dad. That sh*t is super rare. Kudos to the ones who are tho.

Again, this is all rooted in long standing status quo / tradition.

Besides, women don't know what they want anyways. lol

 

[kingblaze84]

Where in the black community does that happen ?!?!?

Right?? That shit almost never happens

And, what's your point?

Stay at Home Fathers are only less prevalent because they aren't status quo, not because they're any less efficient or capable.

These discussions always flesh out in the exact same ways. You have open-minded progressives that suggest new ways of doing things, and you've got closed-minded conservative thinkers that argue simply because change makes them uncomfortable.

You niggas have no point. You never do.

haha dude.. relax.. geezus..….

to ALOT of women….… a stay at home dad is just a "N*gga that can't find a job" …. lol

Trust a lot of women get pressure from other women (including there moms!) to find the richest ballling'est dude out their.

They'll get laughed out of the inner circle messing with a dude who is perceived to not be financially providing.

I'm not knocking a SAHD at all but… i RARELY, IF EVER hear, see , or read about black women being Ok with a man being a stay at home dad. That sh*t is super rare. Kudos to the ones who are tho.

That's so true, I rarely have heard Black women support a man being a stay at home dad and not working. It does happen, I've seen Black women support their man if he isn't doing anything. But way too many times I've seen these same women talk shit and be willing to give it up to the next man because she's tired of being broke.

 

[MR.CJ]

Black excellence

 

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".

Yeah so ???? We collectively expect women to make that sacrifice.The same way we expect men to give up bonding time with our kids to ensure the economic health of of our families.

And what is wrong with expecting men to fill the "provider" role

Because the man being simply the provider and the woman being at home doesn't always work. What if the woman has the better career path? What if the man is the more nurturing parent? There are many people who feel like they don't feel like they have a real relationship with their fathers because he sacrificed too much of his time to work. And part of the reason our family law is so lopsided is because of these traditional roles.

like I said in my response to @desertrain10 it depends on "circumstances" and we all have different relationship circumstances. But generally speaking the ideal is "man provides and woman takes care of baby" that Is the better system because it has been proven to work for a long time and has a better track record and history of producing a powerful and wealthy society.

is that patriarchal??? it can be but so what patriarchy is not necessarily a bad thing it's just another form of human social organization and indeed it's been proven to be the most successful human organization and before you feminist both male and female cry about how abuse such societies are you might want to think about how patriarchy benefits females and ennobles men

 

[zzombie]

there is a reason why all the really successful peoples and nations in history have been patriarchal and it's because men seek to do better and create better for their women and children, and we aggressively do what we have to do to better our situation in a way that women simply don't seem as well equipped to do this.

yeah I know correlation is not causation but sometimes it should be enough