Misogynoir: Black women are placed at the bottom because of anti-Blackness (long read)

[Colin$mackabi$h]

So I guess i was wrong again sorry.

Wont you remind me please then.

 

[Purr]

So I guess i was wrong again sorry.

Wont you remind me please then.

Nah.

I literally broke this topic down to where a 6th grader can understand the points that I am making.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Its one thing to listen to one's problems, its a whole other thing coming up with solutions.

Idk if there is a way for bw to get they message across without mentioning the things bm are not doing for them but we are always in the position to help.

We gotta find common ground as men and women before we extend to fighting for bm and bw.

Like I keep fucking mentioning this thread is not anti-black men.

READ & COMPREHEND

The opening post....

Sorry you took all you wanted from my helpful post.

Goes back to read the first part again now....

Nah cause it had reiterated stupidity that you keep posting.

The thread isnt called for "unity" amongst black people because we are not monolithic; however, it is calling for the examination and analysis of why there is a hard time for black men to dismantle their white Christian patriarchal hierarchical gaze on black women.

Or to be emphatic to the issues solely regarding black women without the input of "what about black men?", "we need black unity", and "why are you attacking black men?".

The point is that being a black woman, we are placed in a unique position: should we hold alliance with our gender or our culture first?

Yet, if we do hold our gender before our culture, our voices and concerns gets trampled on or stolen by other women who do not share our unique position in society. Please refer to Rachel Dolezal for a modern example of black womanhood being stolen and accepted by BM and BW for the sacred protection of white womanhood.

Or if we put our culture first before our gender, where we fight first and hard for our brothas on the front line, write motivating think pieces for black people as a group, create a whole campaign Black Lives Matter just to be co-opt by Black men and pushed aside for their agenda of their cause of blackness.

I thank you with my small man brain for now telling me that your leg is on fire on the sixth page.

What if I told you that bm and bw both need to ask themselves what is a greater issue to work on? gender or skin color.

Imo I doubt the answer lies deep within the opposite sex but support from all being mistreated under cavepeople power is needed like a heartbeat.

 

[D. Morgan]

We already know black women have it hard. We have sisters

You sure about that? Because alotta niggas feel that Black women have it soooooo much easier than niggas and are quick to point several statistics such as the graduation rate for Black women and the lack of police killings, while simultaneously ignoring all the other bad shit that happens to Black women.

I remember the Kendrick Lamar ROlling Stone Cover discussion we had on here a while back, where somehow the plight of Black Women came up for discussion and I made a post saying that Black Women have just as hard if not MORE difficult than Black men. Post was wacked, feelings, and trolled just as much as it was cosigned.

IM not sure if it was said on here, but someone made the excellent point that Oppression is viewed as a zero sum game by black men where Black men in particular tend to minimize the plight of other minorities in order to ensure our own plight is considered the "worst" and therefore the one injustice that needs to be corrected first (even though it doesn't work like that).

While I don't think anyone should be at fault for being sensitive about their own plight, its a bit of a problem when you become blind about the plight of others, especially the ones who are your partners in the struggle.

Who has it harder is impossible to quantify. black people shouldn't worry about the suffering of others. These others don't worry about our problems But black women are not "others".

The black community is basically ruled by black women so I don't agree with the claim that no one pays attention to their suffering. if their pain is ignored it's by mainstream society or by black female themselves not black men.

Don't you think bm know the trouble bw face??? We have sisters, we know. our inability to always change their plight does cause some of us pain. Men who don't feel that bw are there's by right and should be taken care of are victims of feminism.

Well that's kind of the problem isn't it? Black women are primarily our caretakers and support systems defined moreso by "holding down" Black men (whether it be in the form of our mother figure or mate) than their own person with their own problems. Due to inheriting the burden of the household, Black women dont have anyone to fight for them or anyone to act as their emotional outlet. They've always been the ones doing the fighting.

Disagree with the bold. Why would any person look and their household as a burden?

Jesus crust!! Please use context clues! Reading is fundamental & taking time to understand the sentence structure makes it even more fun... -___-

The burden --> the brunt --> the responsibility

LLS at you thinking I didn't get what was said.

Just that I could never see me doing what I need to for my family as a burden.

 

[Purr]

Its one thing to listen to one's problems, its a whole other thing coming up with solutions.

Idk if there is a way for bw to get they message across without mentioning the things bm are not doing for them but we are always in the position to help.

We gotta find common ground as men and women before we extend to fighting for bm and bw.

Like I keep fucking mentioning this thread is not anti-black men.

READ & COMPREHEND

The opening post....

Sorry you took all you wanted from my helpful post.

Goes back to read the first part again now....

Nah cause it had reiterated stupidity that you keep posting.

The thread isnt called for "unity" amongst black people because we are not monolithic; however, it is calling for the examination and analysis of why there is a hard time for black men to dismantle their white Christian patriarchal hierarchical gaze on black women.

Or to be emphatic to the issues solely regarding black women without the input of "what about black men?", "we need black unity", and "why are you attacking black men?".

The point is that being a black woman, we are placed in a unique position: should we hold alliance with our gender or our culture first?

Yet, if we do hold our gender before our culture, our voices and concerns gets trampled on or stolen by other women who do not share our unique position in society. Please refer to Rachel Dolezal for a modern example of black womanhood being stolen and accepted by BM and BW for the sacred protection of white womanhood.

Or if we put our culture first before our gender, where we fight first and hard for our brothas on the front line, write motivating think pieces for black people as a group, create a whole campaign Black Lives Matter just to be co-opt by Black men and pushed aside for their agenda of their cause of blackness.

I thank you with my small man brain for now telling me that your leg is on fire on the sixth page.

What if I told you that bm and bw both need to ask themselves what is a greater issue to work on? gender or skin color.

Imo I doubt the answer lies deep within the opposite sex but support from all being mistreated under cavepeople power is needed like a heartbeat.

Meh. I cant keep breaking my points down for you, while youre purposely ignoring them, carry on with your foolishness.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Its one thing to listen to one's problems, its a whole other thing coming up with solutions.

Idk if there is a way for bw to get they message across without mentioning the things bm are not doing for them but we are always in the position to help.

We gotta find common ground as men and women before we extend to fighting for bm and bw.

Like I keep fucking mentioning this thread is not anti-black men.

READ & COMPREHEND

The opening post....

Sorry you took all you wanted from my helpful post.

Goes back to read the first part again now....

Nah cause it had reiterated stupidity that you keep posting.

The thread isnt called for "unity" amongst black people because we are not monolithic; however, it is calling for the examination and analysis of why there is a hard time for black men to dismantle their white Christian patriarchal hierarchical gaze on black women.

Or to be emphatic to the issues solely regarding black women without the input of "what about black men?", "we need black unity", and "why are you attacking black men?".

The point is that being a black woman, we are placed in a unique position: should we hold alliance with our gender or our culture first?

Yet, if we do hold our gender before our culture, our voices and concerns gets trampled on or stolen by other women who do not share our unique position in society. Please refer to Rachel Dolezal for a modern example of black womanhood being stolen and accepted by BM and BW for the sacred protection of white womanhood.

Or if we put our culture first before our gender, where we fight first and hard for our brothas on the front line, write motivating think pieces for black people as a group, create a whole campaign Black Lives Matter just to be co-opt by Black men and pushed aside for their agenda of their cause of blackness.

I thank you with my small man brain for now telling me that your leg is on fire on the sixth page.

What if I told you that bm and bw both need to ask themselves what is a greater issue to work on? gender or skin color.

Imo I doubt the answer lies deep within the opposite sex but support from all being mistreated under cavepeople power is needed like a heartbeat.

Meh. I cant keep breaking my points down for you, while youre purposely ignoring them, carry on with your foolishness.

No need to think me btw for trying to help out, I am just fool a who cares too much

 

[D. Morgan]

Its one thing to listen to one's problems, its a whole other thing coming up with solutions.

Idk if there is a way for bw to get they message across without mentioning the things bm are not doing for them but we are always in the position to help.

We gotta find common ground as men and women before we extend to fighting for bm and bw.

Like I keep fucking mentioning this thread is not anti-black men.

READ & COMPREHEND

The opening post....

Sorry you took all you wanted from my helpful post.

Goes back to read the first part again now....

Nah cause it had reiterated stupidity that you keep posting.

The thread isnt called for "unity" amongst black people because we are not monolithic; however, it is calling for the examination and analysis of why there is a hard time for black men to dismantle their white Christian patriarchal hierarchical gaze on black women.

Or to be emphatic to the issues solely regarding black women without the input of "what about black men?", "we need black unity", and "why are you attacking black men?".

The point is that being a black woman, we are placed in a unique position: should we hold alliance with our gender or our culture first?

Yet, if we do hold our gender before our culture, our voices and concerns gets trampled on or stolen by other women who do not share our unique position in society. Please refer to Rachel Dolezal for a modern example of black womanhood being stolen and accepted by BM and BW for the sacred protection of white womanhood.

Or if we put our culture first before our gender, where we fight first and hard for our brothas on the front line, write motivating think pieces for black people as a group, create a whole campaign Black Lives Matter just to be co-opt by Black men and pushed aside for their agenda of their cause of blackness.

Doesn't the bold encompass black men and black women?

It does because it was created by three black women who are LGBT; however, when this slogan rings only black men and young boys are mentioned in this movement created by black women.

This is why there is a movement called: remember her name. Because black women & girls, who were killed and abused by police brutality, were lost in the shuffle of Eric Garner, Mike Brown and others.

That is bullshit. I have heard plenty of black men mention Reniesha McBride, Reykia Boyd, Ayiana Jones, etc right alongside of Garner, Brown and the other black PEOPLE who have lost their lives unjustly by the hands of police officers.

If its really about "black lives matter" and black men & women are supposed to be and need to be a team then why do some black women care about who gets the shine if in the end the goal is to improve ALL black lives?

 

[Purr]

Its one thing to listen to one's problems, its a whole other thing coming up with solutions.

Idk if there is a way for bw to get they message across without mentioning the things bm are not doing for them but we are always in the position to help.

We gotta find common ground as men and women before we extend to fighting for bm and bw.

Like I keep fucking mentioning this thread is not anti-black men.

READ & COMPREHEND

The opening post....

Sorry you took all you wanted from my helpful post.

Goes back to read the first part again now....

Nah cause it had reiterated stupidity that you keep posting.

The thread isnt called for "unity" amongst black people because we are not monolithic; however, it is calling for the examination and analysis of why there is a hard time for black men to dismantle their white Christian patriarchal hierarchical gaze on black women.

Or to be emphatic to the issues solely regarding black women without the input of "what about black men?", "we need black unity", and "why are you attacking black men?".

The point is that being a black woman, we are placed in a unique position: should we hold alliance with our gender or our culture first?

Yet, if we do hold our gender before our culture, our voices and concerns gets trampled on or stolen by other women who do not share our unique position in society. Please refer to Rachel Dolezal for a modern example of black womanhood being stolen and accepted by BM and BW for the sacred protection of white womanhood.

Or if we put our culture first before our gender, where we fight first and hard for our brothas on the front line, write motivating think pieces for black people as a group, create a whole campaign Black Lives Matter just to be co-opt by Black men and pushed aside for their agenda of their cause of blackness.

Doesn't the bold encompass black men and black women?

It does because it was created by three black women who are LGBT; however, when this slogan rings only black men and young boys are mentioned in this movement created by black women.

This is why there is a movement called: remember her name. Because black women & girls, who were killed and abused by police brutality, were lost in the shuffle of Eric Garner, Mike Brown and others.

That is bullshit. I have heard plenty of black men mention Reniesha McBride, Reykia Boyd, Ayiana Jones, etc right alongside of Garner, Brown and the other black PEOPLE who have lost their lives unjustly by the hands of police officers.

If its really about "black lives matter" and black men & women are supposed to be and need to be a team then why do some black women care about who gets the shine if in the end the goal is to improve ALL black lives?

Oh. Lol

 

[R0mp]

Under the large black umbrella, there are subsets, each with distinct concerns by its members. Since humans are ultimately for themselves first, even if two individuals are of the same race, they may not be empathetic towards the major concerns of the subsets each may belong to. Some may even be scathingly dismissive.

 

[MistyKnight]

Ofcourse we all have our own opinions (whether they're right or wrong), and chances are most of us won't ever see eye to eye.

It's like a relationship when you're both screaming and firmly believe that you're right but NOBODY is listening. This is why "change" may never be a reality.

We each have our own life experiences, and many may not be able to experience what you have experienced because either they are completely blinded or ignorant to it or because they simply have not been placed in that same situation.. but I say this because our experiences (& upbringing) shape what we believe in. Along with our surrounding culture/environment.

Black men are not all the same.

Black women are not all the same.

We are not all the same.

But our issues as a black community, are the same.

 

[Ajackson17]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

 

[Purr]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

 

[PapaDoc223]

Read the paragraph and it made alot sense tho. I always say black women suffer the most of any people in history. Getting raped, seeing their husband and children killed etc. The reason the community is in disarray is because we black men failed to lead. We dont build an economy to take care of our own people and that is why black women dont respect us. They see asian, arabs and whites taking care of their women while we are bullshitting. Our black women are vulnerable.

 

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

 

[D. Morgan]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

 

[Ajackson17]

If a woman can make some beer cheddar soup she is wife material.

 

[Purr]

If a woman can make some beer cheddar soup she is wife material.

@Ajackson17 dead ass. Fuck out my thread derailing a d trollinh it, breh. Im not here for your fuck shit, nigga.

Make your own thread about kitchen economics and how the smell of pussy that you havent had since you were overseas working in Asia...

 

[Ajackson17]

Alright see you later Charlie

 

[a.mann]

Another anti-black mans thread

Feminists will be the death knee of the black community

:-L

 

[Ubuntu1]

Funny thing is that most of you men on hefe did not read the whole post or comprehend it.

You don’t care about what’s true or reasonable. Feminists are completely hypocritical and out of touch with reality and although I don’t care whether or not that offends you I’m not trying to. I mean all ‘feminists’, people who believe that women are uniquely discriminated against in a way that men can not be (they might generously concede that men can, ironically, be the victims of anti-female sexism but the concept of anti-male sexism and female privilege is considered invalid, what would consistently be regarded as anti-male sexism is just a by-product of anti-female sexism in the feminist view). This applies to anyone who uses an inherently gender biased term (‘feminist’, ‘womanist’) to represent supposedly egalitarian positions. You’ve stated that this isn’t an anti-black male thread but an attitude doesn’t have to be overtly anti-male in order to be biased against men. I know I’m not really giving a good argument, and what I address won't be the best counter, but I don’t want to go deep into this, there’s no point in arguing beyond just expressing my opinion about something because trying to reason with people is usually a waste of time. Some of your claims are so baseless I wouldn’t know where to begin. You might not wrong about everything.

You’re out of your mind if you think that women don’t objectify men. Men are also pressured into meeting social standards of beauty (which aren't promoted by some secret organization trying to keep men down, they're largely dictated by the preferences of heterosexual women and gay men). It is not “sexist” that the same men who probably criticize black men for dating non-black women regard black women who wear their hair naturally as “better” or more pro-black than back women who straighten their hair, not if they regard black men who wear their hair naturally as "better" or more pro-black than black men who straighten their hair. The inherent nature of sexual attraction is objectifying. It’s not dehumanizing and it’s only a problem if it’s not coupled with empathy, women do not always care about the people they’re attracted to just as some men don’t. The fact that *some* women actually resent the men of their ethnic group dating outsiders speaks to their sense of entitlement, the same sense of entitlement feminists often criticize in men. I’m almost certain that the 97% of rapists not being punished claim has been debunked or put into context (when rapists get away it's not due to some general apathy toward female rape victims that 'society' has, rape can be difficult to prove). Actually, the majority of rapists are already in jail since the majority of rape is male prisoner on male prisoner. Rape is not normalized in modern Western culture, it has always been considered one of the worst crimes someone can commit (at least when the perpetrator is male and the victim is female, female on male rape is taken far less seriously, in general).

I would agree with you and Peeny_Wally that black women not wearing their hair naturally does not necessarily indicate some self-hatred that stems from being brainwashed by white supremacy but considering that most black women naturally have tightly curled hair and that they alter their hair to resemble the straight hair of non-black women (yes, some Africans naturally have straight hair but it is due to European influence that most black women who don’t straighten their hair– you can’t live in a Western country and not be influenced by European culture, ‘white supremacist brainwashing’ aside-) I find it ironic that some women who straighten their hair consider a preference for non-black partners or non-black features to be coonish . I also think it's strange what passes for 'natural nappy hair' with a lot of black women (frizzy, loosely curled but not actually tightly curled).

Men don't pride themselves on being stronger or more dominant than women because it makes them "better" than them, it's what, traditionally, they usually bring to the table when it comes to relationships. The damsel in distress trope doesn't stem from some contempt based stereotype of women being weak, inferior beings (weaker, maybe, but not 'inferior'), it stems from women being attracted to men who can be strong protectors/providers. Positions of leadership aren't filled primarily by men because of discrimination against women, men are more likely to be valued for what they can do/contribute/produce and admired for being strong, assertive, dominant etc. and women tend to be valued for other reasons. Men are arguably the primary victims of the worst sexism because men's *lives* tend to hold less weight than women's lives (evolutionary psychology might have something to say about this). Men are the primary victims of workplace deaths, the primary victims of violence, traditionally only men have been required to serve in the military (Israel, if I'm not mistaken, is the only country I know of where military conscription is mandatory for men and women), they receive harsher sentences for the same crimes committed by women (including the death penalty) and in general, violence against men is more acceptable. Even in places like the Middle East, the Western media harps on female victims ignoring that men are the primary victims of violence there and often as punishment for lesser offenses. Feminists either ignore this or attribute it to the patriarchy, there is clearly an advantage to being a woman in some circumstances just as there is an advantage to being a man in some circumstances. Some first wave feminists actually shamed men during the first world war for not fighting, all while advocating that women be given the right to vote without the accompanying responsibility of military service.

I'll leave it at that. I've wasted enough time.