Misogynoir: Black women are placed at the bottom because of anti-Blackness (long read)

[jetlifebih]

The op wasn't a black male bash but got dam we can't even pull together because people are like

"I have it bad"

"no I have it worst"

"Not as bad as me"

"I know, I have it 5 times as bad"

"No I have it worser than worse"...

 

[jono]

"You cannot hold a man down without staying down with him"-BookerT Washington.

The same logic applies across gender.

 

[Purr]

@ubuntu1 black women do not consider themselves as feminist. So your argument is invalid.

They are seen as a womanist.

 

[zzombie]

@ubuntu1 black women do not consider themselves as feminist. So your argument is invalid.

They are seen as a womanist.

Please.... I know many black women that identify as feminist not womanist and really in application there's very little difference between the two anyway.

 

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

Women are more than tools to make babies, but the most important thing a woman can do in her life is help make and raise a baby.

Children and religious obligation are the only reasons may men settle down in the first place. If women want to go to work after the children reach school age it's cool. But motherhood should be given more praise by these so called pro- black female activists

 

[Ubuntu1]

@ubuntu1 black women do not consider themselves as feminist. So your argument is invalid.

They are seen as a womanist.

Funny thing is that you did not read the whole post or comprehend it.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Ofcourse we all have our own opinions (whether they're right or wrong), and chances are most of us won't ever see eye to eye.

It's like a relationship when you're both screaming and firmly believe that you're right but NOBODY is listening. This is why "change" may never be a reality.

We each have our own life experiences, and many may not be able to experience what you have experienced because either they are completely blinded or ignorant to it or because they simply have not been placed in that same situation.. but I say this because our experiences (& upbringing) shape what we believe in. Along with our surrounding culture/environment.

Black men are not all the same.

Black women are not all the same.

We are not all the same.

But our issues as a black community, are the same.

You're not black tho

 

[MrMinimalist]

You can't lead if someone doesn't understand logic and can't communicate without being emotional.

 

[desertrain10]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

 

[LPast]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

I agree to a certain extent but you have to consider what is natural first. Most women if you told them to give up their child and go back to work after giving will not want to do it. Their is a natural bonding that they will want to do and the child needs.

Men on the other hand didn't have a little person growing inside them for 9 months.

So, why would men sacrifice their career when it actually doesn't help women ultimately. Consider bonding, recovery, what is inherently best for the child. Then you would expect the child to be with mom.

 

[D. Morgan]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Traditional gender roles being exploitive and oppressive is subjective to the couple involved IMO. If those things are discussed and known beforehand and someone switches up that then can become exploitive and oppressive.

I agree that it is usually the woman who puts her dreams on hold for the family. In the early stages of the childs life I think that makes more sense for it to be that way.

Leaving work I will finish this post tomorrow. But I respect and agree with some of what you are saying!

 

[a.mann]

You can't lead if someone doesn't understand logic and can't communicate without being emotional.

Exactly!

A lot of peoples think they are emotional,but in reality they just sensitive

 

[Purr]

@ubuntu1 black women do not consider themselves as feminist. So your argument is invalid.

They are seen as a womanist.

Funny thing is that you did not read the whole post or comprehend it.

Im sorry that i dont read wall of texts by self-proclaim pedophiles.

 

[kzzl]

Article suspiciously leaves out the sexualized, objectifying, and poor representation of black males as well. Black women were not singled out while black men had it easy, as the article tries to convey. And leaves out the connection of post slavery results that inflicted black women as well.

You can't solve this problem by conveniently dodging accountability. That makes you look dishonest and manipulative.

Then this chick took the personal experience of three posters, none of which she was there for personally, added a whole bunch of other shit at her convenience, and made up a mile with it.

And lets be honest here. She got engaged to an Mexican, filmed herself with a light skin nigga, and makes every other post about not dating dark skin men. Then turns around and wants to make a thread like this?

She's cried wolf too much to be taken seriously.

And the only rape culture that exist in this country is in the prison system. But that's just booty warrior jokes to most.

And lets look at the REAL issues of sexism and racism here. I don't see no black men in power with the power to solve and enforce these issues on an effective scale. So why blame us when it's not our finger on the button?

But lets say we were the gate keepers or needed to rise up against the gate keepers in a womans stead.Why expect support when you shame us and separate from us? Nobody does shit like that for people when they don't appreciate them and are not reputable themselves.

Y'all ain't looking like sista souljahs, y'all just looking trained well. Chop that up how y'all want to.

 

[BEAM]

One thing niggas never seem to understand, is that we've quite literally never been in the situations necessary to form a credible opinion and/or course of action for women attempting to combat social injustice.

Niggas don't see the injustice and oppression at play, nor do we understand women's reactions to it, because we've never had to experience ( endure ) it ourselves.

It's quite laughable to see niggas try to argue against a shorty's perspective simply because it doesn't align with their own, all while failing to realize that the male perspective is why women are rebelling in the first place. We ( men ) have always had the liberty of having our opinion matter, regardless of what's being discussed, and in most cases having the final say, even when ignorance is rampant..

Just like Whites don't get to tell Blacks what to be mad about.

Niggas don't get to tell femmes what to be upset about either..

But niggas ain't tryna hear none of that, because entitlement.

 

[Ubuntu1]

@ubuntu1 black women do not consider themselves as feminist. So your argument is invalid.

They are seen as a womanist.

Funny thing is that you did not read the whole post or comprehend it.

Im sorry that i dont read wall of texts by self-proclaim pedophiles.

I am not a pedophile, self-proclaimed or otherwise, and even if I were that wouldn't detract from my argument. Come up with a real argument that doesn't rely on some silly ad hominem.

A cornerstone of feminist theory is the ability to choose what you want to do without hindrance;

If by 'hindrance' you mean physical coercion, I think this is the cornerstone of libertarianism. In Western societies, women can do almost everything a man can do (the one exception that comes to mind is walking around topless, in some places), maybe not without criticism but the same goes for men. The vast majority of complaints feminists have don't involve the violation of women's autonomy (very often they are the ones undermining women's autonomy). Women are slightly more than half of the voting population, there is no power that men, as a 'group' have over them. If 'feminism' refers to something other than gender equality (which I'm for but is egalitarianism, not feminism or masculinism) or patriarchy theory and the invalidation of anti-male sexism and female privilege, like just being 'pro-female', then that 'feminism' I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with.

 

[Ajackson17]

For real women should have the ability to have a career and a family if they so choose to. Just discuss with your mate and you two work things out. Shit, I cook, clean, know how to change diapers, the whole nine yards. We both can make it happen and achieve our goals and dreams working as a team not me ruling with an iron fist.

 

[zzombie]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

 

[leftcoastkev]

Let's simplify this.

What is the thread title?

Misogynoir: Black women are placed at the bottom because of anti-Blackness

Assuming every word in the title is true, the next question is "who or what" controls Anti-blackness?

Media mechanisms (the mediums in which social concepts are conveyed to society at large)

How can you stop anti-blackness?

Creating an equally powerful counter mechanism to anti-blackness or by destroying the existing one.

Logically, per the thread title, if anti-blackness is impacted, then black women will not be perceived to be at the bottom.

Until you address that, you will be analyzing and bitching about this subject for ever. Without destroying or creating an equally powerful anti-blackness counter mechanism, the existing just needs to be amplified and adjusted to do its existing job, better (which has been happening over the past 50 years).

Collectively blacks don't control their image so collectively you are viewed as whatever they tell everybody you are.

Again (from the OP):

To mask these relationships, supporters of slavery created controlling images whose effects persist even today. For example, objectifying Black women agricultural workers as mules justified working them as if they were animals. The institutionalized rape of enslaved Black women spawned the controlling image of the Jezebel or sexually wanton Black woman.

They had the power to create and control your imagery from your inception in America because during this time you had no power, a slave. Address and execute a plan against the root cause (imagery) or complain and talk in circles about it until it's addressed.

 

[taeboo]

Men need to lead with logic and women need to tend the kids and the kitchen with emotional grace. Problem solved.

If you dont get the fuck out my thread with this bullshit.

Serious question what is wrong with what he said.

Not that I disagree with it and my wife doesn't mind being barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen either. But the answer to your question was in the OP.

Some women seem to have a problem now with only being a great homemaker. Being a great homemaker isn't equality to some women and they see it as not being good enough IMO. A household is a burden now the shit has been devalued by who and for what reason I will never understand.

IMO I see nothing better than properly rearing your children and making the most comfortable home you can for your husband as a woman's first priority.

First I'll begin by saying womanism, feminism and motherhood are compatible

And for the individuals who decide to have children, parenthood should be there top priority

The problem is the exploitative, oppressive nature of traditional gender roles

For ex, the nuclear family consists of traditional roles for the man and woman - breadwinner and caregiver/mother respectively, with the woman staying at home etc etc...

If a woman has aspirations outside of her household this arrangement can be extremely stifling

Like men women too have dreams outside of parenthood

And once married or cohabiting women have children they are much more likely pressured to sacrifice their dreams/career prospects in the interests of their husbands' career prospects/dreams

Men traditionally have been reluctant, to say the least, to share domestic, child rearing duties in a substantial way...

Men don't pressure women to sacrifice their careers for us we ask you to sacrifice your careers for something more important our children.

Let's not act as if people don't assume that if a couple had children, that the mother is the one who is going to put her career on hold or that society strongly connects manhood to his ability to be "the provider".