Message from Dr. Umar Johnson

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I think niggas should hold off on the whole " we moors" thing. Black americans are the descendants of lost tribes. Focus on finding out YOUR ancestry. Your tribal heritage. If its even possible for us to go back that far.

It could lead you to find that your ancestors were victims of islamization at the hands of moor invasion/slave trade. Them muslims had them chain gangs popping centuries before the white folks got put on. You'd just be trading one devil for another.

Also, it seems that the term moor was mainly used to describe the non-european. A generalization. They didnt care to take into the account the vast amount of diversity in africa for the most part. The word could even be considered deragatroy for some. Like me calling all hispanics mexican.

If the shoe fits where it. But for some of us, it might be deeper than that.
 
kzzl;5670994 said:
I think niggas should hold off on the whole " we moors" thing. Black americans are the descendants of lost tribes. Focus on finding out YOUR ancestry. Your tribal heritage. If its even possible for us to go back that far.

It could lead you to find that your ancestors were victims of islamization at the hands of moor invasion/slave trade. Them muslims had them chain gangs popping centuries before the white folks got put on. You'd just be trading one devil for another.

Also, it seems that the term moor was mainly used to describe the non-european. A generalization. They didnt care to take into the account the vast amount of diversity in africa for the most part. The word could even be considered deragatroy for some. Like me calling all hispanics mexican.

If the shoe fits where it. But for some of us, it might be deeper than that.

More misleading information... You may not be doing it intentionally; maybe that is what you were taught in school. But what you said here is not true and misleading.

For one, slavery was not always whips, chains, and degradation of a people. That is American slavery. American slavery was very unique.

African and Muslim slavery was vastly different. Allow me to give you an excerpt out of the book "Servants of Allah: African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas" by Sylviane A. Diouf. There is a section in this book talking about Islamic law and African slavery, I will type up a few excerpts:

"African slaves were used as porters, soldiers, palace guards, domestics, and concubines but mostly as agricultural laborers. They either lived with their owner's family and worked partly for their master and partly for themselves or were settled in slave villages to work as sharecroppers. In these arrangements, their status resembled that of the European serf, as historian John Thorton points out: "African slaves were often treated no differently from peasant cultivators, as indeed they were the functional equivalent of free tenants and hired workers in Europe." In addition, "slaves were often employed as administrators, soldiers, and even royal advisors, thus enjoying great freedom of movement and elite lifestyles." The absolute chasm that existed between the slave and the slaveholder in the Americas was unknown in Africa. Several European travelers who were familiar with the American system expressed surprise at the "leniency" of the African model."

"The adoption of Islamic law had a decisive effect on slavery in West Africa, for it significantly reduced the causes for enslavement while at the same time encouraging manumission. Islam neither condemned nor forbade slavery but stated that enslavement was lawful under only two conditions: if the slave was born of slave parents or if he or she had been a "pagan" prisoner of war."

"The application of Islamic law concerning slavery had a profound effect on manumission. The Koran makes ample provisions for the freeing of slaves, as a mark of piety or charity or for expiation. Therefore, the manumission rate in the Islamic world was systematically higher than anywhere else. Conversion to Islam was a prerequisite for emancipation, though it did not result automatically in liberation. However, once a Muslim, the slave could use channels of liberation defined by Islamic law: ransom, self-redemption, exchange, or manumission."

ok i dont feel like typin any more but yeah, there are alot more differences that could be listed but maybe this will intrigue you and encourage you to do some of your own research.

 
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As for finding your ancestry, if your ancestors were brought as slaves, there is a VERY HIGH CHANCE that you came from West Africa. But if you refuse to believe that and want to trace your history yourself, I wish you luck. They did not keep good records of slaves (understatement). Very rarely did families stay together. That shyt that happened in Roots was mere luck.

Chances are, your great great great grandfather was listed as "1 Negro" along with "3 chickens and 2 cows". They didn't care about birthdate, real name, where you from, all that shyt. You were just property. A thing. An animal.
 
And might I add, Europeans were enslaving each other as well. Slavery didn't become strictly for blacks until the 1500s. Where do you think my avatar comes from? That is a European slave bitch if you can't tell. Serving a (uhhhh ohhhh here comes that word...!)...........Moor!
 
they conveniently skipped over this period in World History

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I respect any so called "black" who educates themselves on their own history. It should be used to empower us and reaffirm that we are capable of great things. It makes no sense to exaggerate the accomplishments of the past if we aren't actively striving to achieve great things in the present. As a supporter of Pan-Africanism, I believe we as a people share a common problem and an common enemy. We all want what is best for our people but have different means of acquiring it. Lets us not allow these "labels" to divide nor confuse us. Malcolm X said it best when he made a point that we aren't victimized because of the religion we practice but because of the color of our skin.

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Here is some documents on Morocco in the 1774 Journal of the Continental Congress.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/bdsbib:@field(SUBJ+@od1(Morocco--Foreign+relations--United+States+))

The Moors say that they have records that prove that we where Moors. In 1774 they took away our feathers,turbins, and religion, according to the Moors. In 1779 we where legally branded as Black, negro, colored etc... A brand, mark is something that is placed on merchandise to designate ownership.

The Moors say that they have
 
Can one of the so called moors link me to any proof that the usa or the united nations have accepted the black "moors" as a real ethic group.
 
hadn't seen those photos, those are dope. awesome drop @Jungz . its like i seen them muhfuckas before yo, like in my neighborhood, in my family, etc.. not wearing all those garments of course, but those faces.

heres the painting i always reference. used to be my avi.

"Portrait of a Moor" (cerca 1520) by Jan Mostaert

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zombie;5670389 said:
Perfect;5670362 said:
zombie;5670349 said:
indyman87;5670335 said:
zombie;5670307 said:
indyman87;5670218 said:
I agree with what he's saying but there is no negro, black, colored race. There has never been a country called 'Black'. Most of us are Moors. Converting to a Moor through the Moorish Science Temple will help alot. There's a community of Moors in Philadelphia. And they are recognized by the United Nations.



you miss the whole fucking point. We are not fucking moors the moorish science is a fucking cult. We are africans


Well if you look at the youtube video you will see that the Moors comes from Africa, specifically Morocco. The rapper French Montanna came from Morocco. The Moors came in America waay before the Europeans. Being Moorish is a nationality. Moorish nationality is recognized by the Unite Nations. Black is not a nationality it's just a mark that the powers that be put on us. I urge you to look at the second youtube video.


We don't come from morocco we came from ghana nigeria and the nations in west africa. The proof that the so called moors came to america before whites is sketchy at best. Nations come and go, if there was ever a nation founded by the moorish ethic group it faded into history a long time ago.

black= black african without knowledge of his ancestors ethic ties or tribal group.


The Morroccan empire covered a large portion of west Africa.


even if that was true it still would not make all the conquered people moors


A crazy nigga named sara suten seti destroyed the moors in a debate if that nigga could poke holes in the african= black theory anybody can. we are not moors


I just saw the youtube video.


All 'black' people didn't come out of Africa. For instance there are some people in the South American country of Suriname that claim they are indigeneous and was there before the slaves came. This is the same place that rapper Rick Ross was going to perform.


 
indyman87;5672184 said:
zombie;5670389 said:
Perfect;5670362 said:
zombie;5670349 said:
indyman87;5670335 said:
zombie;5670307 said:
indyman87;5670218 said:
I agree with what he's saying but there is no negro, black, colored race. There has never been a country called 'Black'. Most of us are Moors. Converting to a Moor through the Moorish Science Temple will help alot. There's a community of Moors in Philadelphia. And they are recognized by the United Nations.



you miss the whole fucking point. We are not fucking moors the moorish science is a fucking cult. We are africans


Well if you look at the youtube video you will see that the Moors comes from Africa, specifically Morocco. The rapper French Montanna came from Morocco. The Moors came in America waay before the Europeans. Being Moorish is a nationality. Moorish nationality is recognized by the Unite Nations. Black is not a nationality it's just a mark that the powers that be put on us. I urge you to look at the second youtube video.


We don't come from morocco we came from ghana nigeria and the nations in west africa. The proof that the so called moors came to america before whites is sketchy at best. Nations come and go, if there was ever a nation founded by the moorish ethic group it faded into history a long time ago.

black= black african without knowledge of his ancestors ethic ties or tribal group.


The Morroccan empire covered a large portion of west Africa.


even if that was true it still would not make all the conquered people moors


A crazy nigga named sara suten seti destroyed the moors in a debate if that nigga could poke holes in the african= black theory anybody can. we are not moors


I just saw the youtube video.


All 'black' people didn't come out of Africa. For instance there are some people in the South American country of Suriname that claim they are indigeneous and was there before the slaves came. This is the same place that rapper Rick Ross was going to perform.


all black people came out of africa all people period came out of africa, just at different times the reason why there are other black people in places like papua new guines is because they left africa thousands of years before every one else did. African americans and all there related groups come from west africa not from the groups who left africa thousands of years ago. we are not fucking moors being a black muslim alone does not make you a moor.

It's 2013 and africans outside of africa are still confused about their origins this shit is so sad.
 
You are talking about the very beginning of time. I'm talking about the fact that some people think that all Blacks came to the Americas (North and South) as a result of slavery. I believe that that is false.
 
@Perfect I'll admit my use of "chain gang" was me being light hearted about it. Coffles of captured/purchased/imprisoned slaves being marched across the desert wasteland and killed off as cattle on their way to allah is more fitting. It wasn't a pleasant road trip to get there for many. The eastern slave trade has a death toll reaching into the millions too.

But I'm well aware of all that information you posted as well. Seen it many times, but regardless of the quality of life they provided for some, the moors still participated in it. You could say that every country has participated in it. But people should know that the moors hands ain't as clean as they'd have you think.

I'm not just trying to take the chair and whip away so that we can be the new master. I'm against the slave trade as a whole. So I say they all should be held responisble for what they robbed of africa. Even the ones that betrayed their own. And I don't see anything in those post that proves what I posted wrong. But I can't call what you posted it incorrect, either. Just more detail than I'm willing to bother with, but info I've come across in my time, too.
 
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