Lyricism as a Gimmick, Why is it not as ridiculed as other perceived Gimmicks?

[a_list]

being lyrical is a gimmick?.....thats new to me....lol

 

[GSonII]

Yes, it is a gimmick if you say this is the reason you should listen to me. Yes, you have failed if someone listens to you and thinks youre not some great lyricist that they should listen to because you are so superior in that aspect.

 

[1of1]

I feel like I understood what you typed but...

Name more names

Simplify that shit

Are they doing it for the fame

Or cuz their nice wit it?

 

[1of1]

I truly regret reading that wall of text...

LMAO. He's not an effective lyricist.

 

[5th Letter]

being lyrical is a gimmick?.....thats new to me....lol

same thing i'm saying. lyricism is a skill.

 

[bignorm73]

Lyricists who have had mainstream success:

Rakim, Eminem, Nas, KRS, Scarface, etc.

They can do it.

 

[a_list]

ehh...this some new shyt....lol never heard anyone say anything like this but i never thought that redman or rakim wanting to be more than basic rappers was a gimmick......people that listen to say slaughterhouse know that they are lyrical, i dont care if you like the music or not...........if 100k copped their shit or if 1mill cop they shit they still will be seen as lyrical........

 

[GSonII]

Saying you are lyrically superior is just like saying you are King or Greatest Rapper Alive or just the hardest nigga in it. So,why don't these lyrically superior rappers get the same type of hate, especially when you consider the fact that most of them fail to ever make any impact on the mainstream level.

 

[GSonII]

Lyricists who have had mainstream success:

Rakim, Eminem, Nas, KRS, Scarface, etc.

They can do it.

Most people on a site like this will claim there is nothing technically outstanding about Scarface.

 

[GSonII]

but they do get hate (I'm looking at you South)...

They get a very small level of hate or ridicule as opposed to that aimed at people claiming to be Kings,Greatest Alive, Greatest of All time, Hardest Nigga in It, Realist Nigga in it, etc. Why are these guys given such a big pass when most of them make just as ridiculous or even more ridiculous claims? Is it that this is the safe and preferred claim in hip hop?

 

[1of1]

Most people on a site like this will claim there is nothing technically outstanding about Scarface.

Lyricism is about expressing emotion skillfully. Scarface is great at that.

Technical wordplay isn't outstanding from him but the lyricism is there in many cases.

 

[1of1]

They get a very small level of hate or ridicule as opposed to that aimed at people claiming to be Kings,Greatest Alive, Greatest of All time, Hardest Nigga in It, Realist Nigga in it, etc. Why are these guys given such a big pass when most of them make just as ridiculous or even more ridiculous claims? Is it that this is the safe and preferred claim in hip hop?

How many people care about being the best at technical wordplay? Most of these people just care about money and fame and having a sing along so they don't care about someone saying they're the best at technical wordplay. They want to make songs that stick...whether they're corny or wack or not.

 

[GSonII]

Lyricism is about expressing emotion skillfully. Scarface is great at that.

Technical wordplay isn't outstanding from him but the lyricism is there in many cases.

That's not the hip hop definition of lyricism and we have been through this multiple times. Half of these so-called hip hop heads say 2Pac was not a lyricist and he did that which you describe better than Scarface

 

[GSonII]

claims and gimmicks are not interchangeable terms...

Rather they are interchangeable terms in most situations is debatable and I will concede that to you, but in this case when a lot of people make there claims, they then become the reason for some people to listen to them, just to see if there is anything to there claims. To me, that is how claims turn into gimmicks or marketing schemes. The same goes for rappers who claim to be superior to others lyrically.

 

[a_list]

Saying you are lyrically superior is just like saying you are King or Greatest Rapper Alive or just the hardest nigga in it. So,why don't these lyrically superior rappers get the same type of hate, especially when you consider the fact that most of them fail to ever make any impact on the mainstream level.

i really dont agree with this......mainstream level is not really focusing on lyrics with a few exceptions.....now if kweli was the highest selling rapper and everyone started to step it up lyrically to try to sell records then you might be on to something, but being lyrical today is going against the grain when it comes to the mainstream...now if slaughterhouse dumbed down to double their dollars and failed.... then its just that, they tried to follow what was popular and you kno ther rest

 

[Lab Baby]

Some cats use that word lyrical as a crutch to compensate for their lack of ability. Some cats just know how to use big words and string together multisyllables, and people confuse that with lyricism. Cats like Canibus, Papoose, and various other mixtape rappers pride themselves on being lyrical, but if no one gives a fuck about your lyrics, then your lyrical ability is greatly exaggerated. That's why that "lyrical miracle spiritual" line that Em spat in the BET cypher was funny as fuck... that summed up every mixtape rapper tryna bring lyricism back, but don't be saying shit behind all those multis.

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

i've only seen that on here where they claim being lyrical in today's climate is a gimmick because it makes them standout... smh

 

[bignorm73]

Most people on a site like this will claim there is nothing technically outstanding about Scarface.

Those are people who mistake speed rappin with lyricism.

 

[GSonII]

Gimmick?

Niggu that's like telling Stevie Wonder it's "a gimmick" that's he's out there blind...so let us 20/20 niggz get together and heckle that dude

I respectively think what you just typed is stupid. Just because a rapper claims to be lyrically superior does not make it the truth. Stevie Wonder is blind, that is a it is what it is situation. A rapper claiming to be lyrically superior is not a it is what it is situation. It is a claim in which can very well turn into a attention grabbing gimmick.

 

[ibedamned]

maybe you worded your argument wrong but it just sounds well, dumb.