Let's End The Debate: Kareem Abdul Jabbar vs Michael Jordan

[NothingButTheTruth]

Bigs need a player to deliver the ball. Only reason why they will never be consider the GOAT!They rely on their teammates.

No they don't. Don't confuse the format or the way the game is played with actual talent or skill level. A lot of bigs, especially all-time great bigs can bring the ball up the court with no problem.

Bill Russell

Kareem

Hakeem

Ewing

David Robinson

Wilt

Shaquille

Bring the ball up huh?

YES!!! Point guards bring up the ball because that's their role, to get the team in formation, and start the offense. Guards usually bring the ball up because they're bigger threats than most big man on the outside, as they've practiced a particular skill set where they can generally make 2s and 3s off the dribble at a much higher percentage, while the big man has the highest percentage of getting rebound position and snatching the offensive board, which is why they're usually in the paint somewhere. It's THE WAY the game is played to maximize efficiency.

All of those big man you've listed have the basic basketball skills to dribble up and down, switch hands and bring the ball up the court, and make a simple turn of the body to stop the defender from taking the ball if necessary, don't be silly. It's just not a very efficient way to start the offense, and it will tire the big man out as most of their energy is needed for help defense and boxing out against other players of strength.

You must not realize how good these guys are at the game. This ain't open gym bruh.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Example: Bill Russell

 

[caddo man]

Bigs need a player to deliver the ball. Only reason why they will never be consider the GOAT!They rely on their teammates.

No they don't. Don't confuse the format or the way the game is played with actual talent or skill level. A lot of bigs, especially all-time great bigs can bring the ball up the court with no problem.

Bill Russell

Kareem

Hakeem

Ewing

David Robinson

Wilt

Shaquille

Bring the ball up huh?

YES!!! Point guards bring up the ball because that's their role, to get the team in formation, and start the offense. Guards usually bring the ball up because they're bigger threats than most big man on the outside, as they've practiced a particular skill set where they can generally make 2s and 3s off the dribble at a much higher percentage, while the big man has the highest percentage of getting rebound position and snatching the offensive board, which is why they're usually in the paint somewhere. It's THE WAY the game is played to maximize efficiency.

All of those big man you've listed have the basic basketball skills to dribble up and down, switch hands and bring the ball up the court, and make a simple turn of the body to stop the defender from taking the ball if necessary, don't be silly. It's just not a very efficient way to start the offense, and it will tire the big man out as most of their energy is needed for help defense and boxing out against other players of strength.

You must not realize how good these guys are at the game. This ain't open gym bruh.

You just proved my point!

I never said they were not the GOAT. They rely on players to deliver the ball. You just typed that in that essay.

 

[T. Sanford]

MJ was robbed out of 2 MVPs. One was in the 97' season. I still smh to this day that LA got embarrassed by Detroit in 89' on the biggest stage

 

[gns]

The argument is legit

I remember smh'ing when magic said kobe was the best Laker ever

I was like, tf?

 

[its....JOHN B]

Example: Bill Russell

But Wilt scored 100 against a 6'1 white center so he's better than Russ

 

[CapitalB]

This won't end the debate as Jordan is more popular, so Jordan will win EVERY poll no matter who he's put against. That's why Jordan is considered the GREATEST player, and not the most-skilled or simply the best player ever.

It's like arguing Biggie or Pac vs. a rapper who is a clearly better MC. Those 2 rappers are going to beat out everyone except each other.

Micheal Jackson is also on that level of popularity in his field. Muhammad Ali is the same in the field of boxing. The funny thing is, it's all a product of marketing and promotion, that the average viewer falls victim to.

... With that said, Jordan was extremely skilled, so he's easily the best combination of true skill mixed with a ridiculously amount of marketing and promotion. Jordan is truly better than 99.99% of the competition.

totally agree..

and Billfigger is still an idiot.

 

[PanchoYoSancho]

Example: Bill Russell

But Wilt scored 100 against a 6'1 white center so he's better than Russ

Russell played those same white centers and averaged 15 ppg on 44% shooting.

 

[its....JOHN B]

Example: Bill Russell

But Wilt scored 100 against a 6'1 white center so he's better than Russ

Russell played those same white centers and averaged 15 ppg on 44% shooting.

You know what those centers averaged against him?

 

[5 Grand]

There's really no wrong answer

If there was a draft and you could choose Kareem or Jordan, I don't think there's a wrong choice. You could build a team around either player.

I think Kareem did better in his later years because he had that skyhook that was just unstoppable. Then again, MJ had that fade away jump shot.

 

[_Lefty]

He's the most fundamentally sound player to ever play.

Niggas wanna say things about marketing and timing on his part. But Michael Jordan's game stands on its own. The numbers, and his peers speak for themselves.

He did what Kareem did in 7 less years.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

stop making cheap seats threads

Go watch WWE.

 

[PanchoYoSancho]

Example: Bill Russell

But Wilt scored 100 against a 6'1 white center so he's better than Russ

Russell played those same white centers and averaged 15 ppg on 44% shooting.

You know what those centers averaged against him?

Nope, do you?

But I do know he played with like 10 Hall of Famers with 7 on one team at a time.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

the better player?? Kareem..

the greater player to the game of basketball?? Jordan..

i came to this conclusion and have gotten closure on this issue debating boxing (which im a casual fan of) wit a friend over Mayweather and Ali...

i argued Ali bein greater and better..

but because my boy was a lil bit more knowledgable then me in the sport i conceded.. but Mayweather will never mean as much to the sport of boxing and reach that status of Ali..

same wit basketball..

as dominant as Kareem was on every level.. nigga balled since YMCA, lol he'll never mean to basketball what Jordan does..

and also Billfiger sounds like an idiot..

if im not mistaken he's from chicago so i guess its to be expected in a thread like this..

but there is no way to logically argue Jordan bein the better player.. thats jus emotions talking..

i have no comment in this debate im just curious

how do u logically argue kareem being better?

 

[CapitalB]

the better player?? Kareem..

the greater player to the game of basketball?? Jordan..

i came to this conclusion and have gotten closure on this issue debating boxing (which im a casual fan of) wit a friend over Mayweather and Ali...

i argued Ali bein greater and better..

but because my boy was a lil bit more knowledgable then me in the sport i conceded.. but Mayweather will never mean as much to the sport of boxing and reach that status of Ali..

same wit basketball..

as dominant as Kareem was on every level.. nigga balled since YMCA, lol he'll never mean to basketball what Jordan does..

and also Billfiger sounds like an idiot..

if im not mistaken he's from chicago so i guess its to be expected in a thread like this..

but there is no way to logically argue Jordan bein the better player.. thats jus emotions talking..

i have no comment in this debate im just curious

how do u logically argue kareem being better?

first logically argue jordan bein better witout usin media talkin points??

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

like i said i have no comment in this debate

ur the one that brought up that it was impossible arguing jordan was better, yet no one has logically argued why kareem is better.

 

[CapitalB]

how bout stay out the debate then??

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

lol im not in it

i just asked a question. i dont have a problem if u are unable to answer but dont snap at me cuz u cant lol

 

[its....JOHN B]

Example: Bill Russell

But Wilt scored 100 against a 6'1 white center so he's better than Russ

Russell played those same white centers and averaged 15 ppg on 44% shooting.

You know what those centers averaged against him?

Nope, do you?

But I do know he played with like 10 Hall of Famers with 7 on one team at a time.

Would TP and Manu be hall of famers without Duncan?

 

[#1hiphopjunki3]

It's a shame people don't bring Kareem up more. The guy most definitely deserves to be brought up when you talk about the best ever NBA players of all time. I caught a few games of his on his retirement season so I can't really say honestly how great he was but I remember him still being effective.

Jordan is the best player I've actually ever seen play the game.

I honestly believe that Kareem doesn't get much love because he mad a lot of enemies within the media and he played when media coverage wasn't so vast. I mean you rarely hear this man mentioned when the best of all time is mentioned