Lebron will retire with 4 rings , that trumps kobes 5 rings

[rapmusic]

Well he better get to work then because this game/league is passing him by right now.

 

[the_focused_one]

4 rings to trump Kobe? How about 3 rings that trumps EVERYBODY?

Only in the NBA do rings count as a personal accomplishment. A real head has to acknowledge the teams he's taken to the Finals.

I know people love to talk about 2011, and I'm still puzzled as to what happen to LeBron after Game 3 of that series, but nevermind that. The Mavs were deeper and were getting more points off the bench. Also, Jason Terry turned into a precursor of Steph Curry for that series.

For me, LeBron's finest moments were in 2007 and 2015. Especially 2007. He took THAT Cavs squad to the FINALS- Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, old Eric Snow, Pavlovic, Varejao, etc. That team was GARBAGE. MJ never did that, Kobe never did that, Magic never did that, not Bird- NO ONE. Yeah San Antonio swept, but that was a performance for the ages getting the scrubs there in the first please- even in the weak East.

In 2015 Bron put up 35/13/8 against the Warriors- the #1 defense in the league last season. Not only that, but he did it playing with Hellafellova and J.ust R.egular Smith & Co. Another garbage team- and this time he manage to put up 2 Ws in the process.

The man is doing everything we give MJ and Kobe credit for, but with 1/3 of the talent around him. If LeBron just keeps doing him, he's gonna retire as the GOAT. Shit, anyone who can bring a championship to Cleveland should automatically qualify as a candidate for GOAT status at this point LoL.

 

[_God_]

4 rings to trump Kobe? How about 3 rings that trumps EVERYBODY?

Only in the NBA do rings count as a personal accomplishment. A real head has to acknowledge the teams he's taken to the Finals.

I know people love to talk about 2011, and I'm still puzzled as to what happen to LeBron after Game 3 of that series, but nevermind that. The Mavs were deeper and were getting more points off the bench. Also, Jason Terry turned into a precursor of Steph Curry for that series.

For me, LeBron's finest moments were in 2007 and 2015. Especially 2007. He took THAT Cavs squad to the FINALS- Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, old Eric Snow, Pavlovic, Varejao, etc. That team was GARBAGE. MJ never did that, Kobe never did that, Magic never did that, not Bird- NO ONE. Yeah San Antonio swept, but that was a performance for the ages getting the scrubs there in the first please- even in the weak East.

In 2015 Bron put up 35/13/8 against the Warriors- the #1 defense in the league last season. Not only that, but he did it playing with Hellafellova and J.ust R.egular Smith & Co. Another garbage team- and this time he manage to put up 2 Ws in the process.

The man is doing everything we give MJ and Kobe credit for, but with 1/3 of the talent around him. If LeBron just keeps doing him, he's gonna retire as the GOAT. Shit, anyone who can bring a championship to Cleveland should automatically qualify as a candidate for GOAT status at this point LoL.

Exactly , I only said 4 to appease the heads that will argue against Lebron because of rings but I've followed his career and it's obvious

 

[DR. JEK]

4 rings to trump Kobe? How about 3 rings that trumps EVERYBODY?

Only in the NBA do rings count as a personal accomplishment. A real head has to acknowledge the teams he's taken to the Finals.

I know people love to talk about 2011, and I'm still puzzled as to what happen to LeBron after Game 3 of that series, but nevermind that. The Mavs were deeper and were getting more points off the bench. Also, Jason Terry turned into a precursor of Steph Curry for that series.

For me, LeBron's finest moments were in 2007 and 2015. Especially 2007. He took THAT Cavs squad to the FINALS- Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, old Eric Snow, Pavlovic, Varejao, etc. That team was GARBAGE. MJ never did that, Kobe never did that, Magic never did that, not Bird- NO ONE. Yeah San Antonio swept, but that was a performance for the ages getting the scrubs there in the first please- even in the weak East.

In 2015 Bron put up 35/13/8 against the Warriors- the #1 defense in the league last season. Not only that, but he did it playing with Hellafellova and J.ust R.egular Smith & Co. Another garbage team- and this time he manage to put up 2 Ws in the process.

The man is doing everything we give MJ and Kobe credit for, but with 1/3 of the talent around him. If LeBron just keeps doing him, he's gonna retire as the GOAT. Shit, anyone who can bring a championship to Cleveland should automatically qualify as a candidate for GOAT status at this point LoL.

You make a somewhat compelling case but if that Cavs team that you guys wanna give him so much credit for in 07 was in the western conference they dont make it past the second round so you gotta grade that feet on a curve. You guys are so amazed by

"oh he took garbage to the finals yada yada yada"

Well shit, who the fuck was really in his way? The heat won the year before I think and the next year Wade had a bum knee. I mean its not like Bron did something that aint been done before in a conference that wasnt that deep to be honest, Iverson also took bums to the finals in 01 but it all goes for not if you get annihilated in the finals by actual good basketball teams instead of having the luxury of having to go through the Milwaukee buck's of the world and the Washington wizards when Arenas was too busy pulling guns on teammates to stop you type of shit. The confence finals over there was gift wrapped if you played any Defense at all which Mike Brown had them a juggernaut at doing and uglying up grind out eastern conference type of games

 

[_God_]

4 rings to trump Kobe? How about 3 rings that trumps EVERYBODY?

Only in the NBA do rings count as a personal accomplishment. A real head has to acknowledge the teams he's taken to the Finals.

I know people love to talk about 2011, and I'm still puzzled as to what happen to LeBron after Game 3 of that series, but nevermind that. The Mavs were deeper and were getting more points off the bench. Also, Jason Terry turned into a precursor of Steph Curry for that series.

For me, LeBron's finest moments were in 2007 and 2015. Especially 2007. He took THAT Cavs squad to the FINALS- Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, old Eric Snow, Pavlovic, Varejao, etc. That team was GARBAGE. MJ never did that, Kobe never did that, Magic never did that, not Bird- NO ONE. Yeah San Antonio swept, but that was a performance for the ages getting the scrubs there in the first please- even in the weak East.

In 2015 Bron put up 35/13/8 against the Warriors- the #1 defense in the league last season. Not only that, but he did it playing with Hellafellova and J.ust R.egular Smith & Co. Another garbage team- and this time he manage to put up 2 Ws in the process.

The man is doing everything we give MJ and Kobe credit for, but with 1/3 of the talent around him. If LeBron just keeps doing him, he's gonna retire as the GOAT. Shit, anyone who can bring a championship to Cleveland should automatically qualify as a candidate for GOAT status at this point LoL.

You make a somewhat compelling case but if that Cavs team that you guys wanna give him so much credit for in 07 was in the western conference they dont make it past the second round so you gotta grade that feet on a curve. You guys are so amazed by

"oh he took garbage to the finals yada yada yada"

Well shit, who the fuck was really in his way? The heat won the year before I think and the next year Wade had a bum knee. I mean its not like Bron did something that aint been done before in a conference that wasnt that deep to be honest, Iverson also took bums to the finals in 01 but it all goes for not if you get annihilated in the finals by actual good basketball teams instead of having the luxury of having to go through the Milwaukee buck's of the world and the Washington wizards when Arenas was too busy pulling guns on teammates to stop you type of shit. The confence finals over there was gift wrapped if you played any Defense at all which Mike Brown had them a juggernaut at doing and uglying up grind out eastern conference type of games

What if Cleveland was in the west.... I stopped reading right there

 

[the_focused_one]

4 rings to trump Kobe? How about 3 rings that trumps EVERYBODY?

Only in the NBA do rings count as a personal accomplishment. A real head has to acknowledge the teams he's taken to the Finals.

I know people love to talk about 2011, and I'm still puzzled as to what happen to LeBron after Game 3 of that series, but nevermind that. The Mavs were deeper and were getting more points off the bench. Also, Jason Terry turned into a precursor of Steph Curry for that series.

For me, LeBron's finest moments were in 2007 and 2015. Especially 2007. He took THAT Cavs squad to the FINALS- Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, old Eric Snow, Pavlovic, Varejao, etc. That team was GARBAGE. MJ never did that, Kobe never did that, Magic never did that, not Bird- NO ONE. Yeah San Antonio swept, but that was a performance for the ages getting the scrubs there in the first please- even in the weak East.

In 2015 Bron put up 35/13/8 against the Warriors- the #1 defense in the league last season. Not only that, but he did it playing with Hellafellova and J.ust R.egular Smith & Co. Another garbage team- and this time he manage to put up 2 Ws in the process.

The man is doing everything we give MJ and Kobe credit for, but with 1/3 of the talent around him. If LeBron just keeps doing him, he's gonna retire as the GOAT. Shit, anyone who can bring a championship to Cleveland should automatically qualify as a candidate for GOAT status at this point LoL.

You make a somewhat compelling case but if that Cavs team that you guys wanna give him so much credit for in 07 was in the western conference they dont make it past the second round so you gotta grade that feet on a curve. You guys are so amazed by

"oh he took garbage to the finals yada yada yada"

Well shit, who the fuck was really in his way? The heat won the year before I think and the next year Wade had a bum knee. I mean its not like Bron did something that aint been done before in a conference that wasnt that deep to be honest, Iverson also took bums to the finals in 01 but it all goes for not if you get annihilated in the finals by actual good basketball teams instead of having the luxury of having to go through the Milwaukee buck's of the world and the Washington wizards when Arenas was too busy pulling guns on teammates to stop you type of shit. The confence finals over there was gift wrapped if you played any Defense at all which Mike Brown had them a juggernaut at doing and uglying up grind out eastern conference type of games

I actually agree with most of your points. But while the East was pretty weak in 2007, the CAVS were SCRUBS.

Look at this roster of the top 8 players from each team (season total minutes played- keeping it simple) the Cavs went up against in the playoffs:

Round 1 (def. 4-0)

Washington Wizards:

Gilbert Arenas

Antawn Jamison

Caron Butler

DeShawn Stevenson

Antonio Daniels

Brendan Haywood

Jarvis Hayes

Etan Thomas

Round 2 (def. 4-2)

New Jersey Nets

Vince Carter

Jason Kidd

Mikki Moore (Yeah I don't know how... but Mikki Moore; as a Kings fan I cringe saying his name)

Richard Jefferson

Jason Collins

Bostjan Nachbar

Marcus Williams

Antoine Wright

Round 3 (def. 4-2)

Detroit Pistons

Tayshaun Prince

Richard Hamilton

Chauncey Billups

Rasheed Wallace

Antonio McDyess

Ronald Murray

Carlos Delfino

Chris Webber

Now look at the Cavs Top 8:

LeBron James

Larry Hughes

Drew Gooden

Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Anderson Varejao

Eric Snow

Sasha Pavlovic

Donyell Marshall

You can't tell me, even with the intangibles and injuries and whatnot, that the Cavs weren't hot garbage as a roster. I know everyone's bench gets spread thin (it's only natural unless you're the Golden State Warriors), but this is pretty bad. Obviously they played great defense against a hurt/ weak East to get to the Finals, but LeBron carried this team.

You pointed out Iverson, and I 100% agree with that, but Iverson was never compared to Jordan and Kobe the way LeBron has been since he turned 18, nor has anyone ever been so criticized for losing in the Finals the way LeBron has. The dude is fucking Atlas of the NBA.

 

[international]

At the end of the day, star players only get remembered and measured for the rings that they won on the court.

 

[Knightryder]

Nigga said lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals as if no other players in the nba

aint do the same........

didnt allen iverson carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2001

didnt jason kidd not carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2002 and 2003

Dont compare what lebron did in the east to what kobe did in the west.......its

a well known fact that kobe deals with tougher competition, plus career wise

kobe took on juggernauts through his career ...

 

[PanchoYoSancho]

Nigga said lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals as if no other players in the nba

aint do the same........

didnt allen iverson carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2001

didnt jason kidd not carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2002 and 2003

Dont compare what lebron did in the east to what kobe did in the west.......its

a well known fact that kobe deals with tougher competition, plus career wise

kobe took on juggernauts through his career ...

They did have elite defenses tho. As did the 07 Cavs.

Just speaks to how trash the East was from 2001-2007. The Pistons and Heat were the only teams worth a damn during that whole era.

 

[TheBoyRo]

I think lebrons cavs from 07 were the worst team to ever get to the finals. That 01 sixers team had the mvp, Coach of the year, defensive player of the year, and 6th man of the year. 22 yr old lebron willed that pitiful team and had an epic series in the ecf vs Detroit

 

[DR. JEK]

Nigga said lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals as if no other players in the nba

aint do the same........

didnt allen iverson carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2001

didnt jason kidd not carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2002 and 2003

Dont compare what lebron did in the east to what kobe did in the west.......its

a well known fact that kobe deals with tougher competition, plus career wise

kobe took on juggernauts through his career ...

They did have elite defenses tho. As did the 07 Cavs.



Just speaks to how trash the East was from 2001-2007. The Pistons and Heat were the only teams worth a damn during that whole era.

Was just gonna tell the The Focus one that but you beat me to it.

 

[_God_]

Lebron was pulling from 35 feet on the ref at one point

 

[the_focused_one]

Nigga said lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals as if no other players in the nba

aint do the same........

didnt allen iverson carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2001

didnt jason kidd not carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2002 and 2003

Dont compare what lebron did in the east to what kobe did in the west.......its

a well known fact that kobe deals with tougher competition, plus career wise

kobe took on juggernauts through his career ...

They did have elite defenses tho. As did the 07 Cavs.



Just speaks to how trash the East was from 2001-2007. The Pistons and Heat were the only teams worth a damn during that whole era.

Was just gonna tell the The Focus one that but you beat me to it.

Like I don't already know. LoL. Still doesn't brush off what LeBron did and with that roster no less.

Also, Kobe has NEVER singlehandedly carried a team. EVER. Kobe and Mike have always had BIG 3s and a solid bench when they've won their championships PLUS Phil Jackson.

Hypothetically speaking, give LeBron a team with say Chris Paul, Durant, AND Popovich and watch him steamroll the West. 7 rings would attainable if you gave LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe or MJ had.

BTW, I'm not homer. This is all coming from a Kings fan... *prepares the roast shield*

 

[KamPushMe]

Nigga said lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals as if no other players in the nba

aint do the same........

didnt allen iverson carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2001

didnt jason kidd not carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2002 and 2003

Dont compare what lebron did in the east to what kobe did in the west.......its

a well known fact that kobe deals with tougher competition, plus career wise

kobe took on juggernauts through his career ...

They did have elite defenses tho. As did the 07 Cavs.



Just speaks to how trash the East was from 2001-2007. The Pistons and Heat were the only teams worth a damn during that whole era.

Was just gonna tell the The Focus one that but you beat me to it.

Like I don't already know. LoL. Still doesn't brush off what LeBron did and with that roster no less.

Also, Kobe has NEVER singlehandedly carried a team. EVER. Kobe and Mike have always had BIG 3s and a solid bench when they've won their championships PLUS Phil Jackson.

Hypothetically speaking, give LeBron a team with say Chris Paul, Durant, AND Popovich and watch him steamroll the West. 7 rings would attainable if you gave LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe or MJ had.

BTW, I'm not homer. This is all coming from a Kings fan... *prepares the roast shield*

smh

 

[the_focused_one]

Nigga said lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals as if no other players in the nba

aint do the same........

didnt allen iverson carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2001

didnt jason kidd not carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2002 and 2003

Dont compare what lebron did in the east to what kobe did in the west.......its

a well known fact that kobe deals with tougher competition, plus career wise

kobe took on juggernauts through his career ...

They did have elite defenses tho. As did the 07 Cavs.



Just speaks to how trash the East was from 2001-2007. The Pistons and Heat were the only teams worth a damn during that whole era.

Was just gonna tell the The Focus one that but you beat me to it.

Like I don't already know. LoL. Still doesn't brush off what LeBron did and with that roster no less.

Also, Kobe has NEVER singlehandedly carried a team. EVER. Kobe and Mike have always had BIG 3s and a solid bench when they've won their championships PLUS Phil Jackson.

Hypothetically speaking, give LeBron a team with say Chris Paul, Durant, AND Popovich and watch him steamroll the West. 7 rings would attainable if you gave LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe or MJ had.

BTW, I'm not homer. This is all coming from a Kings fan... *prepares the roast shield*

smh

LoL I know you're thinking of the heat. Besides Bosh and Wade, that squad wasn't deep enough to contend with Spurs or even the Maverick's second units.

 

[DR. JEK]

Nigga said lebron carried a bunch of bums to the finals as if no other players in the nba

aint do the same........

didnt allen iverson carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2001

didnt jason kidd not carried a bunch of bums to the finals in 2002 and 2003

Dont compare what lebron did in the east to what kobe did in the west.......its

a well known fact that kobe deals with tougher competition, plus career wise

kobe took on juggernauts through his career ...

They did have elite defenses tho. As did the 07 Cavs.



Just speaks to how trash the East was from 2001-2007. The Pistons and Heat were the only teams worth a damn during that whole era.

Was just gonna tell the The Focus one that but you beat me to it.

Like I don't already know. LoL. Still doesn't brush off what LeBron did and with that roster no less.

Also, Kobe has NEVER singlehandedly carried a team. EVER. Kobe and Mike have always had BIG 3s and a solid bench when they've won their championships PLUS Phil Jackson.

Hypothetically speaking, give LeBron a team with say Chris Paul, Durant, AND Popovich and watch him steamroll the West. 7 rings would attainable if you gave LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe or MJ had.

BTW, I'm not homer. This is all coming from a Kings fan... *prepares the roast shield*

Kobe never caried a team?

(BTW that Kings fan shit explains your position alot. Yall know yall hate anything laker related but ima still entertain this)

For the bolded He put the Lakers up 3-1 in a playoff series where they shoulda got sweep. Nigga put a very high powered Suns team in some real danger and coulda been the third or forth biggest upset in a series in playoff history and you know who he was running with when the Lakes snuck in the back door of the playoffs that year? Kwame Brown Cris Mims and Lamar Odom. I would hardly call that a big 3. If he was in the eastern conference with that trash ass roster that year he WOULDA been able to get to ECF atleast like the rest of them cats yall glorify.

 

[PanchoYoSancho]

Biggest difference between Kobe and Lebron is Kobe got drafted and traded to the premier NBA franchise who had the best player in basketball in his prime waiting for him. LeBron got drafted by the worst team in basketball in a city where no big name free agents wanted to come to or stay in (Boozer).

Kobe had Phil Jackson. LeBron had Mike Brown.

Kobe had Shaq. LeBron had Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

Kobe had Gasol. LeBron had Mo Williams.

I'm not gonna bring up the Cavs going to the Finals in 07 cause the East was garbage, but Kobe had a team full of role players and the best he ever carried em to was 45 wins. LeBron had a team full of role players and carried em to 66 and 62 win seasons. You can say Cleveland had better role players and the East was weak, but the Cavs overachieved and had the best record in basketball over those 2 years. LeBron went to Miami, where free agents actually want to play, and won 2 rings in 4 years with the level of talent around him Kobe had for most of his career and might've won 3 in 5 if he had Love/Kyrie in last year's Finals.

Kobe's a legend and got the best out of his teams, but he was constantly put in situations to succeed where Lebron for the first half of his career was put in situations to fail.

 

[DR. JEK]

Biggest difference between Kobe and Lebron is Kobe got drafted and traded to the premier NBA franchise who had the best player in basketball in his prime waiting for him. LeBron got drafted by the worst team in basketball in a city where no big name free agents wanted to come to or stay in (Boozer).

Kobe had Phil Jackson. LeBron had Mike Brown.

Kobe had Shaq. LeBron had Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

Kobe had Gasol. LeBron had Mo Williams.

I'm not gonna bring up the Cavs going to the Finals in 07 cause the East was garbage, but Kobe had a team full of role players and the best he ever carried em to was 45 wins. LeBron had a team full of role players and carried em to 66 and 62 win seasons. You can say Cleveland had better role players and the East was weak, but the Cavs overachieved and had the best record in basketball over those 2 years. LeBron went to Miami, where free agents actually want to play, and won 2 rings in 4 years with the level of talent around him Kobe had for most of his career and might've won 3 in 5 if he had Love/Kyrie in last year's Finals.

Kobe's a legend and got the best out of his teams, but he was constantly put in situations to succeed where Lebron for the first half of his career was put in situations to fail.

For the bolded he also coulda lost both finals he won if Harden dont choke and Jesus Shuttlesworth miss that 3 pointer. And when you said Kobe only won 45 games that year all the west teams he had to play alteast 4 times each. Lebron got to play those same teams only twice (must be nice) a year so if you woulda traded Lebron for Kobe in 05-06 and had James playing wit smush, Cris Mims, and Slava Medvedenko or some shit, I bet you Bron only win 45 too and Kobe go to the finals wit Varajo and Mo Williams and them guys to atleast ECF.

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

I dunno if Kobe would've gotten to the finals with them Cleveland niggas. Bron is way more of a team player than Kobe. Plus Kobe NEEDS a talented big man, which Cleveland didn't have.

 

[804]

I dunno if Kobe would've gotten to the finals with them Cleveland niggas. Bron is way more of a team player than Kobe. Plus Kobe NEEDS a talented big man, which Cleveland didn't have.

And LeBron needs a gang of shooters and 2 other All Star caliber players in order to win a title, and even then he's only 2-2.