Is Kobe Bryant Top 5 All Time? (List ur top 5)

[Peace_79]

Who cares about MVPs? Nash has 2......... does that make him better than John Stockton? Can't talk ball with some of you niggas b lol

My guy, you are using rings as the end all be all ...

You can make the same argument. Dozens of no-name players have more rings than either Kobe or Lebron.

It's not one thing, it's everything-

MVPs, Finals MVPs, Stats, Total Impact, All around game etc.

When you take everything into consideration, the argument for Lebron becomes much more clear.

 

[_Goldie_]

Rings aren't the end all be all, but it's the largest part of the equation.

 

[_Goldie_]

Just like having a classic album isn't everything, but it's a large part of it.

 

[Peace_79]

But unlike a classic hiphop album, NBA championships have countless factors that influence a player's ability to attain them

-Team chemistry

-Coaching

-Talent

-Versatility

-Longevity

- etc

The list goes on ...

You cannot evaluate a player's greatness without using context.

"Kobe's got 5 rings, case closed!!!!"

Ain't that simple, brotha.

 

[Shizlansky]

But unlike a classic hiphop album, NBA championships have countless factors that influence a player's ability to attain them

-Team chemistry

-Coaching

-Talent

-Versatility

-Longevity

- etc

The list goes on ...

You cannot evaluate a player's greatness without using context.

"Kobe's got 5 rings, case closed!!!!"

Ain't that simple, brotha.

MJ has 6

Magic has 5

Duncan has 5

Russell has 11

KAJ has 6

 

[5 Grand]

But unlike a classic hiphop album, NBA championships have countless factors that influence a player's ability to attain them

-Team chemistry

-Coaching

-Talent

-Versatility

-Longevity

- etc

The list goes on ...

You cannot evaluate a player's greatness without using context.

"Kobe's got 5 rings, case closed!!!!"

Ain't that simple, brotha.

MJ has 6

Magic has 5

Duncan has 5

Russell has 11

KAJ has 6

Robert Horry has 7

Your point?

 

[804]

^^^Sams case can be made for Bron too, I don't get what's so hard for these nig nogs to understand it's many players with just as strong if not a stronger argument. That's why I can't stand Kobe-Tards they literally shit on every other great player to big him up.

Like this nigga Goldie, bruh Bron got as many MVP trophies as Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan COMBINED you know 3 other top 10 all time greats along with 3 rings to go along with it, how does he not have an argument for being better than Kobe?

Kobe got a few monster years on shitty squads though. The context of the year means a lot, and if the MVP is a popularity contest when someone like Curry wins it back to back, then the same can be said for LeBron winning it way too many times. All these guys who vote get into group think mode, and it's a wrap after that.

LeBron numbers in most years should have gotten him more MVPs

That year Rose won I think LBJ should have gotta that one.

He averaged more

Points

Assist

Rebounds

Steals

Blocks

Than Rose

Was also the 2nd seed in the East

But the Bulls had a great regular season, and finished ahead of the Heat that year. That's my point about context, because his numbers aren't vastly better than Kobe's in any year. As much as LeBron is gassed as being able to do it all, he's barely a better passer and rebounder season to season than most tier 1 wings over the years. I just think the aura of "King James" inflates his numbers in a lot of folks minds.

 

[_Goldie_]

But unlike a classic hiphop album, NBA championships have countless factors that influence a player's ability to attain them

-Team chemistry

-Coaching

-Talent

-Versatility

-Longevity

- etc

The list goes on ...

You cannot evaluate a player's greatness without using context.

"Kobe's got 5 rings, case closed!!!!"

Ain't that simple, brotha.

Nigga what? lol

The producers, Label push/advertising, the features, etc, there's alot that goes into making an album and if that album sells good.

But that's besides the point, Rings is 2/3's if not more of the equation.

Marino's numbers shit on Montana's , but he will never .... ever ever ever , be considered a better QB than Montana.

Same with Payton Manning , his number's shit on Brady's, but he will never be considered a better QB than Brady.

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

^^^Sams case can be made for Bron too, I don't get what's so hard for these nig nogs to understand it's many players with just as strong if not a stronger argument. That's why I can't stand Kobe-Tards they literally shit on every other great player to big him up.

Like this nigga Goldie, bruh Bron got as many MVP trophies as Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan COMBINED you know 3 other top 10 all time greats along with 3 rings to go along with it, how does he not have an argument for being better than Kobe?

Kobe got a few monster years on shitty squads though. The context of the year means a lot, and if the MVP is a popularity contest when someone like Curry wins it back to back, then the same can be said for LeBron winning it way too many times. All these guys who vote get into group think mode, and it's a wrap after that.

LeBron numbers in most years should have gotten him more MVPs

That year Rose won I think LBJ should have gotta that one.

He averaged more

Points

Assist

Rebounds

Steals

Blocks

Than Rose

Was also the 2nd seed in the East

But the Bulls had a great regular season, and finished ahead of the Heat that year. That's my point about context, because his numbers aren't vastly better than Kobe's in any year. As much as LeBron is gassed as being able to do it all, he's barely a better passer and rebounder season to season than most tier 1 wings over the years. I just think the aura of "King James" inflates his numbers in a lot of folks minds.

Yea this is bullshit.Lebron is an elite passer and only larry bird can compare name these other 'tier 1'wings lebron barely is a better at rebounding and passing than."The aura of king james" isnt the reason lebron led the nba finals in literally every statistical category for both teams.What an awful post

 

[804]

^^^Sams case can be made for Bron too, I don't get what's so hard for these nig nogs to understand it's many players with just as strong if not a stronger argument. That's why I can't stand Kobe-Tards they literally shit on every other great player to big him up.

Like this nigga Goldie, bruh Bron got as many MVP trophies as Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan COMBINED you know 3 other top 10 all time greats along with 3 rings to go along with it, how does he not have an argument for being better than Kobe?

Kobe got a few monster years on shitty squads though. The context of the year means a lot, and if the MVP is a popularity contest when someone like Curry wins it back to back, then the same can be said for LeBron winning it way too many times. All these guys who vote get into group think mode, and it's a wrap after that.

LeBron numbers in most years should have gotten him more MVPs

That year Rose won I think LBJ should have gotta that one.

He averaged more

Points

Assist

Rebounds

Steals

Blocks

Than Rose

Was also the 2nd seed in the East

But the Bulls had a great regular season, and finished ahead of the Heat that year. That's my point about context, because his numbers aren't vastly better than Kobe's in any year. As much as LeBron is gassed as being able to do it all, he's barely a better passer and rebounder season to season than most tier 1 wings over the years. I just think the aura of "King James" inflates his numbers in a lot of folks minds.

Yea this is bullshit.Lebron is an elite passer and only larry bird can compare name these other 'tier 1'wings lebron barely is a better at rebounding and passing than."The aura of king james" isnt the reason lebron led the nba finals in literally every statistical category for both teams.What an awful post

Relax homie, I'm speaking strictly from a raw statistics perspective. Look at Kobe, Jordan, D-Wade numbers. He averages 1-2 more assists and boards a game than those guys, that's not far and away better in my opinion. The NBA finals this year has nothing to do with my post, but ok I guess lol.

I don't think LeBron is any more elite at passing then the three guys I named, I just think he chooses to pass more. I'm gonna chalk you up as another guy caught up in the aura.

 

[Peace_79]

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[Peace_79]

But unlike a classic hiphop album, NBA championships have countless factors that influence a player's ability to attain them

-Team chemistry

-Coaching

-Talent

-Versatility

-Longevity

- etc

The list goes on ...

You cannot evaluate a player's greatness without using context.

"Kobe's got 5 rings, case closed!!!!"

Ain't that simple, brotha.

MJ has 6

Magic has 5

Duncan has 5

Russell has 11

KAJ has 6

What do most of these players have in common?

Transcendent greatness in multiple areas.

They also had exceptional teams that were a part of historic franchises.

-Lakers

-Celtics

-Spurs

Best to ever do it.

Btw, despite all those rings, where is the bolded player in your Top 5?

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

^^^Sams case can be made for Bron too, I don't get what's so hard for these nig nogs to understand it's many players with just as strong if not a stronger argument. That's why I can't stand Kobe-Tards they literally shit on every other great player to big him up.

Like this nigga Goldie, bruh Bron got as many MVP trophies as Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan COMBINED you know 3 other top 10 all time greats along with 3 rings to go along with it, how does he not have an argument for being better than Kobe?

Kobe got a few monster years on shitty squads though. The context of the year means a lot, and if the MVP is a popularity contest when someone like Curry wins it back to back, then the same can be said for LeBron winning it way too many times. All these guys who vote get into group think mode, and it's a wrap after that.

LeBron numbers in most years should have gotten him more MVPs

That year Rose won I think LBJ should have gotta that one.

He averaged more

Points

Assist

Rebounds

Steals

Blocks

Than Rose

Was also the 2nd seed in the East

But the Bulls had a great regular season, and finished ahead of the Heat that year. That's my point about context, because his numbers aren't vastly better than Kobe's in any year. As much as LeBron is gassed as being able to do it all, he's barely a better passer and rebounder season to season than most tier 1 wings over the years. I just think the aura of "King James" inflates his numbers in a lot of folks minds.

Yea this is bullshit.Lebron is an elite passer and only larry bird can compare name these other 'tier 1'wings lebron barely is a better at rebounding and passing than."The aura of king james" isnt the reason lebron led the nba finals in literally every statistical category for both teams.What an awful post

Relax homie, I'm speaking strictly from a raw statistics perspective. Look at Kobe, Jordan, D-Wade numbers. He averages 1-2 more assists and boards a game than those guys, that's not far and away better in my opinion. The NBA finals this year has nothing to do with my post, but ok I guess lol.

I don't think LeBron is any more elite at passing then the three guys I named, I just think he chooses to pass more. I'm gonna chalk you up as another guy caught up in the aura.

That's career numbers lebron has 12 seasons of 6+ assists,Wade has 6,Jordan 5 kobe 3.Lebron has 6 seasons wit 7+ assists,Wade 2,Jordan 1,Kobe 0.

I'm goin off watching games not numbers.Lebron is more willing and better passer than all of them.I can see if you knock lebrons offensive game but passing nah he's a level above the rest and only larry bird at the 3 is close

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

Kobe is top 5, Hall of Fame opinions trump all pundits opinions

 

[dalyricalbandit]

Post Jordan era 00s I have it

Duncan

Shaq

Kobe

Bron

 

[_Menace_]

@_Goldie_ you're wasting your time.

Kobe gets too much hate here.

BEAN is top 5. How Lebron top 5 when he's been on SUPER TEAMS?

Bron is top 10 no doubt. But ahead of BEAN??? no

 

[its....JOHN B]

Lol at super teams, fuck you call them teams Kobe was on?

 

[king hassan]

Kobe and LeBron are both top 5. No discussion. Those old niggas wasn't on they shit like that. Dominating 16 team leagues filled with white boys who can't dribble with their left hand, gets you no points.

The only footage of a nigga playing being youtube highlight reels, does not give the viewer a fair and real evaluation of the nigga's game. It's just more media fuck shit molding the minds of the casual fan.

There's actually full game footage of them playing back then. They've showed them quite a few times on hardwood classics. It's like watching the spurs play with no Tony Parker and Ginobili lol. All fundamentals and it takes a minute to adapt to that style, but their shooting, ball movement, and bball IQ was high.

The same thing you're doing knocking the old school era is the same thing these younger kids going to be doing 15-20 years from now to knock Lebron and Kobe. The game will change, players will be bigger, stronger, and more athletic so they will discredit the previous players accomplishments based off the era they played in.

The same way how they try to knock Jordan and his era because they weren't as athletic as the current era of NBA players.

Lol @ the last statement, they were just as athletic then

 

[its....JOHN B]

So Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Artest along with Kobe doesn't qualify as a superteam? Playing with Shaq in his prime period doesn't qualify as a superteam? He played on more talented teams than Bron did in Miami and PLEASE don't call this Cleveland team a superteam, not even a playoff team without Bron

 

[Inglewood_B]

So Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Artest along with Kobe doesn't qualify as a superteam? Playing with Shaq in his prime period doesn't qualify as a superteam? He played on more talented teams than Bron did in Miami and PLEASE don't call this Cleveland team a superteam, not even a playoff team without Bron

Bynum and Odom were out of the league 2 years after the championships. And Artest was already washed when he joined. He was role player status... I wouldn't call that a superteam.

Miami (like Boston) was a superteam. Cleveland is about as close to a superteam without being a superteam as you can get. They just don't use Kevin Love effectively

The team with Shaq definitely wasn't a superteam in the sense that generally "superteams" are a team with 3 all star/superstar caliber players. But I'll let that slide because I feel like they were 1 and 2 best players in the league at that point