Is hov officially the GROAT?

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

 

[CoolJoe]

4 good songs out of 14 isn't an "alright" album, it's a trash album.

 

[DR. JEK]

4 good songs out of 14 isn't an "alright" album, it's a trash album.

well since you put it that way, ehh...

 

[Tymoney19]

for everybody who said pac over jay. Whos career would you rather have minus the death?

 

[a_list]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Smoothe The Hustler said he wrote that verse

 

[a_list]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Smoothe The Hustler said he wrote that verse

Heard that too, but I can hear jay as she's spittn....

 

[Olorun22]

for everybody who said pac over jay. Whos career would you rather have minus the death?

Whenever someone is considered the greatest they get people compared to them.. You he's he's the next pac artist wanting be the next pac

In basketball people want too say who's the next Jordan. I.E kobe, lbj

Hockey you got wanye grezkys.. Sidney Crosby

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

 

[a_list]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

NOPE

He is

Nas, & Common made better albums. Jay just making a completely deep album. Nas & Common been did that a long time ago.

Niggas repeat this like it invalidates his previous albums just because them niggas made "deep" albums before Jay doesn't mean any of them where better than Jay attempt or it invalidates jay greatness before hand like Jay was spitting candy filled ABC bars

I know y'all seen this dumbass naserlite mean floating around like this nigga post

Jay been doing what nas and common been speaking about before they have let's. It forgot common was looking suspect with some of his comments. Or too long ago

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

Y'all hold Pac line in place because he passed early but he produced what 5 studio albums if I'm correct that's more than enough to.hold against 5 Jay albums and properly judge but It some of yall.woild get your feelings hurt

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I'm not going through this thread but this x100

This is really one of the dumbest arguments ever.

Michael Jackson is without a doubt the biggest artist of all time and even he didn't stop anybody from selling records.

Y'all telling me Pac and Big were just so successful that they would've single handedly stopped Jay from having a career?

Did Cube stop Pac from shining in 91 because of Death Certificate?

Jay the only rapper that get shitted on for going gold on his debut. Everybody was not flying off the shelves like y'all say they was.

 

[GetoBoy]

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I'm not going through this thread but this x100

This is really one of the dumbest arguments ever.

Michael Jackson is without a doubt the biggest artist of all time and even he didn't stop anybody from selling records.

Y'all telling me Pac and Big were just so successful that they would've single handedly stopped Jay from having a career?

Did Cube stop Pac from shining in 91 because of Death Certificate?

Jay the only rapper that get shitted on for going gold on his debut. Everybody was not flying off the shelves like y'all say they was.

Exactly how long DMX been rapping for you never hear "it took for Pac and Big to die for X to blow".... This weak argument is literally only used for Jay like ppl were just copping his joints by default

 

[R2_163]

I always had this feeling that pac would be irrelevant if he's still around now. As great as he was

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

How niggas consider Pac the GOAT? I don't get that.

BIG in the convo despite only two albums is a plus for him, it's not a negative on other rappers. Maybe only Nas would have a similar legacy if he'd died after two albums.

I don't get why these discussions always turn into name callin' and other such rubbish. You may not believe Jay's the GOAT, but you're not a hip hop guy if you can't accept he's in the convo. By every available metric he's up there

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

How do we know that for sure? That is the issue when niggas try to use the small sample size of big and pac and assume they would have still kill it for another few decades in rap. During the small period of time they were alive both were flawless in many ways. But we have seen many top notch MC's fall off of break up with a group (NWA and Tribe) and some of those parts didn't continue to be consistent.

Shit Nas had one of the best 2 out the gate start in hip hop history with illmatic and IWW and even he couldn't keep up that quality for the 3rd and 4th and 5th album front to back.

You do realize that the 5th album was called "Stillmatic" right?? You didn't think IAM was a good album?? C'mon my nigga...You tripping saying that he couldn't keep up that quality work.

I am is a good album it just isn't as good as the first 2 which like I said may have been the best one/two punch to start a career. I think stillmatic is dope but slightly below IWW and illmatic and still isn't on the same level.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I don't think it's far fetched at all. He is a worthy person to throw out there. The problem is really there is no consistent definition of what being the GROAT entails. Some might argue the most important thing is skill as a rapper (i.e. lyrics, wordplay, flow, etc...). Others might say its strength of catalog. Others might say its sales and presence. Still others might think its all of that in equal measure.

To me, the people that are saying Jay is without a doubt the GROAT are leaning heavily on sales and presence. To me that's like the weakest of the three metrics, but if no one has set any rules people are going to measure it how they want.

 

[a_list]

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I'm not going through this thread but this x100

This is really one of the dumbest arguments ever.

Michael Jackson is without a doubt the biggest artist of all time and even he didn't stop anybody from selling records.

Y'all telling me Pac and Big were just so successful that they would've single handedly stopped Jay from having a career?

Did Cube stop Pac from shining in 91 because of Death Certificate?

Jay the only rapper that get shitted on for going gold on his debut. Everybody was not flying off the shelves like y'all say they was.

Sometimes I just laugh at this shyt.....I never heard anybody say Master P or DMX only blew up because Big and Pac wont around....Right on with that Michael Jackson thing, he didnt stop Whitney or Prince from moving units....Some of these cats will say anything....

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I don't think it's far fetched at all. He is a worthy person to throw out there. The problem is really there is no consistent definition of what being the GROAT entails. Some might argue the most important thing is skill as a rapper (i.e. lyrics, wordplay, flow, etc...). Others might say its strength of catalog. Others might say its sales and presence. Still others might think its all of that in equal measure.

To me, the people that are saying Jay is without a doubt the GROAT are leaning heavily on sales and presence. To me that's like the weakest of the three metrics, but if no one has set any rules people are going to measure it how they want.

Yea, I kinda got that from a few of the posts that I've read...Thats a go to thing for some people to make their point...But Jay's talent alone has him in the conversation