Is hov officially the GROAT?

[CeLLaR-DooR]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

How do we know that for sure? That is the issue when niggas try to use the small sample size of big and pac and assume they would have still kill it for another few decades in rap. During the small period of time they were alive both were flawless in many ways. But we have seen many top notch MC's fall off of break up with a group (NWA and Tribe) and some of those parts didn't continue to be consistent.

Shit Nas had one of the best 2 out the gate start in hip hop history with illmatic and IWW and even he couldn't keep up that quality for the 3rd and 4th and 5th album front to back.

FOH

I Am was dope

Stillmatic is a classic

I'll give you Nastradamus being mediocre.

Not that its relevant to the discussion but I just listened to I Am today at work (on Tidal)

I Am is weak

 

[BedStuy]

I have ghostface, nas, sean price, and killah priest ahead of him but overall jigga is the best.

95% of Jay Z fans are cocksuckers anyway. Respect to the objective 5%

Jigga warriors>>>>> nastralites

Jigga warriors, hate these niggas with all my heart. I made an oath to myself to rob them niggas if they are in my presence.

 

[Trillaaaaaa]

There's no goat, but if there ever was a list for one you know even Jay would put BIG on it before himself

Thats just Jay being humble.

He knows he's better than BIG

 

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Wasn't Jay pretty much independent in 96 and still went gold. Got to get him his props

 

[jim1000]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

How do we know that for sure? That is the issue when niggas try to use the small sample size of big and pac and assume they would have still kill it for another few decades in rap. During the small period of time they were alive both were flawless in many ways. But we have seen many top notch MC's fall off of break up with a group (NWA and Tribe) and some of those parts didn't continue to be consistent.

Shit Nas had one of the best 2 out the gate start in hip hop history with illmatic and IWW and even he couldn't keep up that quality for the 3rd and 4th and 5th album front to back.

You do realize that the 5th album was called "Stillmatic" right?? You didn't think IAM was a good album?? C'mon my nigga...You tripping saying that he couldn't keep up that quality work.

 

[jim1000]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

How do we know that for sure? That is the issue when niggas try to use the small sample size of big and pac and assume they would have still kill it for another few decades in rap. During the small period of time they were alive both were flawless in many ways. But we have seen many top notch MC's fall off of break up with a group (NWA and Tribe) and some of those parts didn't continue to be consistent.

Shit Nas had one of the best 2 out the gate start in hip hop history with illmatic and IWW and even he couldn't keep up that quality for the 3rd and 4th and 5th album front to back.

FOH

I Am was dope

Stillmatic is a classic

I'll give you Nastradamus being mediocre.

He still made albums that were dope and great. But no album in Nasir's catalog is on the same level of IWW or illmatic.

Stillmatic aint on the same level as the first 2 albums??

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

 

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Bruh wtf do that gotta do with anything??? So since Big is considered the GROAT at 2 albums and Jay wasn't after 2 albums that's suppose to prove overall who the GROAT is??? For all we know Jay would have passed Big if Big never died can you say for sure he wouldn't have you can't so all this grading on a curve don't work..... In the end Big ain't put in enough work to be the GROAT no matter how you spin it I mean shit at least Pac had 6 albums to go off of you not finna be the greatest off 2 albums under a whole bunch of "ifs" and "could of been" scenarios

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Bruh wtf do that gotta do with anything??? So since Big is considered the GROAT at 2 albums and Jay wasn't after 2 albums that's suppose to prove overall who the GROAT is??? ,For all we know Jay would have passed Big if Big never died can you say for sure he wouldn't have you can't so all this grading on a curve don't work..... In the end Big ain't put in enough work to be the GROAT no matter how you spin it I mean shit at least Pac had 6 albums to go off of you not finna be the greatest off 2 albums under a whole bunch of "ifs" and "could of been" scenarios

The bolded is laughable. Big was on another level compared to your boy and there is no way around that. What makes you think Big wouldna stayed blazing a trail for your boy since he was always a step ahead of him anyway? Y'all can get on that revisionist stuff all you want to but I was around back when both was alive. Back when there was talks of Big coming out wit "The Commission" wit Jay and Charlie B More which woulda been a bad idea because it woulda just turned into Big sonning Jay Z every song like he did on BK's finest and like Kanye sonned Jay on nearly every song on watch the throne! Y'all niggas will never trick me like I didn't know what was going on. What's a better mainstream single "Hypnotize" or "Sunshine"? Biggie's commercial attempts were even head and shoulders better than Jay's. Come on now.

 

[a_list]

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

 

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Bruh wtf do that gotta do with anything??? So since Big is considered the GROAT at 2 albums and Jay wasn't after 2 albums that's suppose to prove overall who the GROAT is??? ,For all we know Jay would have passed Big if Big never died can you say for sure he wouldn't have you can't so all this grading on a curve don't work..... In the end Big ain't put in enough work to be the GROAT no matter how you spin it I mean shit at least Pac had 6 albums to go off of you not finna be the greatest off 2 albums under a whole bunch of "ifs" and "could of been" scenarios

The bolded is laughable. Big was on another level compared to your boy and there is no way around that. What makes you think Big wouldna stayed blazing a trail for your boy since he was always a step ahead of him anyway? Y'all can get on that revisionist stuff all you want to but I was around back when both was alive. Back when there was talks of Big coming out wit "The Commission" wit Jay and Charlie B More which woulda been a bad idea because it woulda just turned into Big sonning Jay Z every song like he did on BK's finest and like Kanye sonned Jay on nearly every song on watch the throne! Y'all niggas will never trick me like I didn't know what was going on. What's a better mainstream single "Hypnotize" or "Sunshine"? Biggie's commercial attempts were even head and shoulders better than Jay's. Come on now.

I "slightly" took you seriously till you said that dumb shit about Kanye sonning Jay on every song on WTT then I knew you was just on sum hater shit and everything started to make more sense so ok bruh you right lol

 

[KamPushMe]

The 18th letter>>> reasonable doubt

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

 

[blackamerica]

i personally wouldn't say it but i really want to know a valid reason why he shouldn't be considered

Lyrics

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Bruh wtf do that gotta do with anything??? So since Big is considered the GROAT at 2 albums and Jay wasn't after 2 albums that's suppose to prove overall who the GROAT is??? ,For all we know Jay would have passed Big if Big never died can you say for sure he wouldn't have you can't so all this grading on a curve don't work..... In the end Big ain't put in enough work to be the GROAT no matter how you spin it I mean shit at least Pac had 6 albums to go off of you not finna be the greatest off 2 albums under a whole bunch of "ifs" and "could of been" scenarios

The bolded is laughable. Big was on another level compared to your boy and there is no way around that. What makes you think Big wouldna stayed blazing a trail for your boy since he was always a step ahead of him anyway? Y'all can get on that revisionist stuff all you want to but I was around back when both was alive. Back when there was talks of Big coming out wit "The Commission" wit Jay and Charlie B More which woulda been a bad idea because it woulda just turned into Big sonning Jay Z every song like he did on BK's finest and like Kanye sonned Jay on nearly every song on watch the throne! Y'all niggas will never trick me like I didn't know what was going on. What's a better mainstream single "Hypnotize" or "Sunshine"? Biggie's commercial attempts were even head and shoulders better than Jay's. Come on now.

I "slightly" took you seriously till you said that dumb shit about Kanye sonning Jay on every song on WTT then I knew you was just on sum hater shit and everything started to make more sense so ok bruh you right lol

It ain't like I said something that ain't the truth so whatever works bruh.

 

[blackamerica]

Listening to Jay & Nas last album, the nigga is nowhere near Nas. Jayz say something halfway insightful niggaz act like hes a great philosopher or something. Nas been kickin knowledge since day one, and he does it better lyrically. Nas is the GOAT

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

 

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Bruh wtf do that gotta do with anything??? So since Big is considered the GROAT at 2 albums and Jay wasn't after 2 albums that's suppose to prove overall who the GROAT is??? ,For all we know Jay would have passed Big if Big never died can you say for sure he wouldn't have you can't so all this grading on a curve don't work..... In the end Big ain't put in enough work to be the GROAT no matter how you spin it I mean shit at least Pac had 6 albums to go off of you not finna be the greatest off 2 albums under a whole bunch of "ifs" and "could of been" scenarios

The bolded is laughable. Big was on another level compared to your boy and there is no way around that. What makes you think Big wouldna stayed blazing a trail for your boy since he was always a step ahead of him anyway? Y'all can get on that revisionist stuff all you want to but I was around back when both was alive. Back when there was talks of Big coming out wit "The Commission" wit Jay and Charlie B More which woulda been a bad idea because it woulda just turned into Big sonning Jay Z every song like he did on BK's finest and like Kanye sonned Jay on nearly every song on watch the throne! Y'all niggas will never trick me like I didn't know what was going on. What's a better mainstream single "Hypnotize" or "Sunshine"? Biggie's commercial attempts were even head and shoulders better than Jay's. Come on now.

I "slightly" took you seriously till you said that dumb shit about Kanye sonning Jay on every song on WTT then I knew you was just on sum hater shit and everything started to make more sense so ok bruh you right lol

It ain't like I said something that ain't the truth so whatever works bruh.

Bruh you just said Kayne sonned Jay on every song on WTT and were serious so Ye washed Jay on New Day??? How Ye wash Jay when Ye don't even write all his shit hell Jay probably helped ye write most of his stuff on that album lol??? Smmfh I know there's a lot of hate in you but at least don't make it so obvious