Is hov officially the GROAT?

[i ro ny]

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I'm not going through this thread but this x100

This is really one of the dumbest arguments ever.

Michael Jackson is without a doubt the biggest artist of all time and even he didn't stop anybody from selling records.

Y'all telling me Pac and Big were just so successful that they would've single handedly stopped Jay from having a career?

Did Cube stop Pac from shining in 91 because of Death Certificate?

Jay the only rapper that get shitted on for going gold on his debut. Everybody was not flying off the shelves like y'all say they was.

Sometimes I just laugh at this shyt.....I never heard anybody say Master P or DMX only blew up because Big and Pac wont around....Right on with that Michael Jackson thing, he didnt stop Whitney or Prince from moving units....Some of these cats will say anything....

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I don't think it's far fetched at all. He is a worthy person to throw out there. The problem is really there is no consistent definition of what being the GROAT entails. Some might argue the most important thing is skill as a rapper (i.e. lyrics, wordplay, flow, etc...). Others might say its strength of catalog. Others might say its sales and presence. Still others might think its all of that in equal measure.

To me, the people that are saying Jay is without a doubt the GROAT are leaning heavily on sales and presence. To me that's like the weakest of the three metrics, but if no one has set any rules people are going to measure it how they want.

Yea, I kinda got that from a few of the posts that I've read...Thats a go to thing for some people to make their point...But Jay's talent alone has him in the conversation

its not about sales or presence alone.

its about his contribution to the culture since 96. like someone else said already, he checks ALL the boxes.

no one is saying that hes the most GIFTED rapper ever....but he is the GREATEST, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

To those that have him as the number 1 GROAT.....whose number 2 through 10??

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I'm not going through this thread but this x100

This is really one of the dumbest arguments ever.

Michael Jackson is without a doubt the biggest artist of all time and even he didn't stop anybody from selling records.

Y'all telling me Pac and Big were just so successful that they would've single handedly stopped Jay from having a career?

Did Cube stop Pac from shining in 91 because of Death Certificate?

Jay the only rapper that get shitted on for going gold on his debut. Everybody was not flying off the shelves like y'all say they was.

Sometimes I just laugh at this shyt.....I never heard anybody say Master P or DMX only blew up because Big and Pac wont around....Right on with that Michael Jackson thing, he didnt stop Whitney or Prince from moving units....Some of these cats will say anything....

I dont think he is, but cats in here acting like it far fetched....500K sold in a few months is good in any era especially independently....you niggas in here trippn...How is it that Jay is the only one that benefited from Big and Pac's demise?....Say what yall want, but wont nothing stopping that Annie sample from blowing up....

I don't think it's far fetched at all. He is a worthy person to throw out there. The problem is really there is no consistent definition of what being the GROAT entails. Some might argue the most important thing is skill as a rapper (i.e. lyrics, wordplay, flow, etc...). Others might say its strength of catalog. Others might say its sales and presence. Still others might think its all of that in equal measure.

To me, the people that are saying Jay is without a doubt the GROAT are leaning heavily on sales and presence. To me that's like the weakest of the three metrics, but if no one has set any rules people are going to measure it how they want.

Yea, I kinda got that from a few of the posts that I've read...Thats a go to thing for some people to make their point...But Jay's talent alone has him in the conversation

its not about sales or presence alone.

its about his contribution to the culture since 96. like someone else said already, he checks ALL the boxes.

no one is saying that hes the most GIFTED rapper ever....but he is the GREATEST, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

That's a fair argument. I know people are going to shit on me for saying this, but I don't think he's contributed that much to the culture. What exactly has Jay added to it? It's not like he's innovated anything. He basically just takes what people are already doing and does it better. That of course is great for his presence, but doesn't really do much for HipHop in general.

To me Jay is a top tier marketer and self promoter. What he's been able to do is take leg work that others have done and maximize it's payout for him. That's respectable for sure, but honestly that's more a credit to Jay the businessman than Jay the rapper.

As a rapper, I do think he has all the boxes checked, so that put him in the discussion, but he's not the only one that can say that so he can't possibly be far and away the best candidate for GROAT.

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

 

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

That's why I just stop taking him seriously becuz clearly he has a deep rooted issue with that man that causes him to lose all hip hop common sense

 

[a_list]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

 

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

He thinks everyone sonned Jay on everything nigga real life said Ye sonned Jay on EVERY song on WTT smh

 

[texasdaking88]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

He thinks everyone sonned Jay on everything nigga real life said Ye sonned Jay on EVERY song on WTT smh

I wanna hear those songs that happened

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

He thinks everyone sonned Jay on everything nigga real life said Ye sonned Jay on EVERY song on WTT smh

I wanna hear those songs that happened

Otis (for sure)

Niggas in paris

Murder to excellence (even tho this was a little closer)

Who gonna stop me

Gotta have it (even tho that one was close too)

New day

No church (definitely without a doubt)

LMAO @ you telling me I wanna hear which songs. like I won't fuckin just tell you or something! No prob nigga!

Ouuu....put me on the spot didn't you? I'm sure you thought you did.

 

[GetoBoy]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

He thinks everyone sonned Jay on everything nigga real life said Ye sonned Jay on EVERY song on WTT smh

I wanna hear those songs that happened

Otis (for sure)

Niggas in paris

Murder to excellence (even tho this was a little closer)

Who gonna stop me

Gotta have it (even tho that one was close too)

New day

No church (definitely without a doubt)

LMAO @ you telling me I wanna hear which songs. like I won't fuckin just tell you or something! No prob nigga!

Ouuu....put me on the spot didn't you? I'm sure you thought you did.

Lmao at you really believing this tho lololololol

 

[DR. JEK]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

I refuse to do a line for line break down for a simp anthem that I don't fuck wit. Foxy was more remembered off the strength people liked her looks probably. Other people told me they felt foxy stole the show, I personally don't like any verse from either, only brown nosing niggas get wit it.

 

[DR. JEK]

Y'all niggas act like its impossible to out rap Jay tho when people do a track wit him. Next thing y'all gonna revise is Eminem sonning him.

Look go head and bow to your king Hov. Ima deal with how people actually think away from Ill community

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

any great in any other music genre of outside music is in demand coast to coast. What other rapper has had such a tenured career and has a large following across the entire country 20 years in the game? Add that to his solid catalog to compliment the fanfare and international popularity.

 

[DR. JEK]

and even tho it's not on WTT

Ye also got Jay on "run this town"

But whatever, y'all just gonna disagree to save face

 

[texasdaking88]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

He thinks everyone sonned Jay on everything nigga real life said Ye sonned Jay on EVERY song on WTT smh

I wanna hear those songs that happened

Otis (for sure)

Niggas in paris

Murder to excellence (even tho this was a little closer)

Who gonna stop me

Gotta have it (even tho that one was close too)

New day

No church (definitely without a doubt)

LMAO @ you telling me I wanna hear which songs. like I won't fuckin just tell you or something! No prob nigga!

Ouuu....put me on the spot didn't you? I'm sure you thought you did.

Boy if u don't gtfoh.. Lol

 

[Lefty_]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

He thinks everyone sonned Jay on everything nigga real life said Ye sonned Jay on EVERY song on WTT smh

I wanna hear those songs that happened

Otis (for sure)

Niggas in paris

Murder to excellence (even tho this was a little closer)

Who gonna stop me

Gotta have it (even tho that one was close too)

New day

No church (definitely without a doubt)

LMAO @ you telling me I wanna hear which songs. like I won't fuckin just tell you or something! No prob nigga!

Ouuu....put me on the spot didn't you? I'm sure you thought you did.

Boy if u don't gtfoh.. Lol

Jay lost his mind on who gon stop me.

 

[R2_163]

Features Outrapping Jay z? That's the angle y'all going with?? Lol

 

[Swiffness!]

HOV would be borderline Jadakiss status had Biggie lived IMHO.

 

[a_list]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Well then how come Jay wasn't doing that when Big was alive? How come when they was both here Jay of the two of them was considered more of the low level street nigga? Even when Big died Big was ahead of Jay in mainstream success so if Big wouldna died I have every reason to believe everything Jay has and accomplished woulda been Biggie's legacy instead. Nigga died and Jay saw what Big was tryna do and put his blinker on in his car and switched to that Lane and that's how he got to the top. If Big and Pac were alive Jay never gets this far.

Niggas need to stop w/ this retarded ass, dumb ass "When Pac/Big was alive, Jay....." or "If Pac/Big was still alive Jay....."

Reasonable Doubt dropped 3 months before Pac died and 9 months before Big.

Fuck, I'm surprised you niggas haven't pinned their deaths on Jay, since you know, he wouldn't have been shit if they were still alive.

Shit makes no sense plus they was putting all they own money into their label for them to go gold in the mist of both 2pac and Biggie being alive shows you ppl was fucking with him the way niggaz be acting you would think Jay was on a major dropped his album and sold like 1000 copies..... Niggas be goofy with this "if Big and Pac didn't die blah blah blah" like ppl bought Jay albums becuz there was nothing else to cop you think if hard knock life came out on def jam and big and pac were still alive Jay wouldn't have sold??? Then the funny thing is if you don't agree don't agree with them you being a Jay warrior or whatever corny jokes niggas tell like them same fools won't take a real life bullet for Nas Big or Pac the way they stan for them..... Stans who always stan for other rappers shouldn't complain about stans smh

Right Jay was such a nobody Pac felt the need to diss him and Big collaborated TWICE w/ him before he died.

But you know, he wasn't shit back then.

Must be nice to bite the fuck outta somebody who when they was alive you was considered their little manz type nigga. And all the hundreds of times you used his lyrics you can always stick it under the umbrella of "I'm just big upping my brother". Jay wouldn't have been considered GROAT if he woulda Died after VOL 1. The fact that Big is still getting that consideration after getting murk after just his first two speaks to the how much higher a level he was on. Jay gets Capped after 97 he might be as popular as Big L but that's about it and you and @GetoBoy know it too, stop playing games!

Nigga you ethering your own post.

Big L got more praise and shine AFTER he died. So by your reasoning Jay might have has well if he died after Vol.1

After Big died he had a two classic albums and or one classic and one near classic ('depending on how you look at it)

If Jay woulda died he woulda had two alright albums

Reasonable Doubt was just a alright album??? Cam'ron is that you nigga becuz yo hate for Jay is strong lololololol

Four good songs on there and the first single from it was a simp Anthem that Fox destroyed him on. I'm good brotha you can keep that, I'll take Blueprint, the Black Album, and American Gangster over that revisionist classic any day of the week.

And with Watch the throne clearly you heard a damn different album than I did. Don't act like Jays verses was super amazing on that shit.

Yo do know that Jay wrote that verse, right?...lol

Well that makes it even more crazy, why didn't he write a better two verses for himself?

B if u think Jay's verses werent on par with what she spit then aint no need to talk about this shyt lol....Seems like you really have something against Jay....

If I had a real problem with the guy I wouldn't give his actual good albums props. I've never said anything negative about American Gangster, about the Black Album, about the first Blueprint. I'm just honest with the fact that some of his shit is overrated too tho. I can admit that, you cats can't! Whenever I talk to anybody offline away from the I.C about "ain't no nigga" most times people only remember Foxy going off. I don't even like the song anyway but if something good had to be said about it is atleast Foxy had a good flow on it, Real talk. If you waiting on me to give that song that is an anthem for simp niggas anymore shine than that then you gonna be waiting forever. I'm a damn truth teller. Those other three albums is cool, reasonable dought had dead Presidents, D'evils, BK finest (where Big was killing Jay) and friend or foe was cool, the rest was a damn weed plate over 70's beats and boring as fuck. Don't like it, whatever, I don't know what to tell you. Ask me about any of his albums or songs and I will tell you the truth whether it's contrary to your opinion or not.

Lol...iight homie so I guess Mary bodied Jay on Cant Knock The Hustle, Mecca bodied him on Feelin It and Bleek did the same on Coming of Age....You dont have to like the album it can be wack, overrated etc but yo, drop those song stealing bars that Foxy was spitting that you think really separated the two on that track...lol

I refuse to do a line for line break down for a simp anthem that I don't fuck wit. Foxy was more remembered off the strength people liked her looks probably. Other people told me they felt foxy stole the show, I personally don't like any verse from either, only brown nosing niggas get wit it.

Yea, I figured you wouldnt....lol...You know that a line break down wouldnt bode too well for you....You talkn crazy....You can take that verse and apply it to 95% of Foxy's songs you acting like she was something that we'd never heard from her...lol....Oh now she was more remembered for her looks and not the bars? But you spent the day talkn bout how she out-shined Jay rapping...lol...Im done homie, you got it....lol

 

[Trillaaaaaa]

Listening to Jay & Nas last album, the nigga is nowhere near Nas. Jayz say something halfway insightful niggaz act like hes a great philosopher or something. Nas been kickin knowledge since day one, and he does it better lyrically. Nas is the GOAT

Fuck you