Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[kingblaze84]

Leader of ISIS dead or seriously wounded???
http://news.yahoo.com/iraqi-officials-leader-wounded-airstrike-191131502.html

BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraqi officials said Sunday that the head of the Islamic State group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was wounded in an airstrike in western Anbar province. Pentagon officials said they had no immediate information on such an attack or on the militant leader being injured.

Iraq's Defense and Interior ministries both issued statements saying al-Baghdadi had been wounded, without elaborating, and the news was broadcast on state-run television Sunday night.

--Huge victory for the White House and Iraq's govt if this is true (short term victory of course)

 

[janklow]

Amazing right? Especially after 10K American troops are still in Afghanistan and some died last month. I think it's because Iraq is where the real action was and Obama took most of the troops there out. That calmed down a lot of people, but some like Code Pink still protest John Kerry and interrupted Obama several times for him leaving troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Occupy Wall Street also saw a whole lot of anti-war stuff, I went to several of those protests, and most were anti-govt. A lot of people ignored the protests but many of Obama's base was there and they were definitely not happy with Obama, and we see clearly how much the base is disgusted with Democrats now. They didn't show up for Dems, as I predicted.

going to be honest: i think what calmed down most people was that a Democrat became president, wherein he immediately got credit for being a paragon of peace because he wasn't Bush/a Republican. this is why you get guys like Michael Moore who will rail against Bush/Cheney and then, when you hit 2008, get mysteriously muted or frame all their criticism in terms of US policy and never the president himself.

 

[kingblaze84]

Amazing right? Especially after 10K American troops are still in Afghanistan and some died last month. I think it's because Iraq is where the real action was and Obama took most of the troops there out. That calmed down a lot of people, but some like Code Pink still protest John Kerry and interrupted Obama several times for him leaving troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Occupy Wall Street also saw a whole lot of anti-war stuff, I went to several of those protests, and most were anti-govt. A lot of people ignored the protests but many of Obama's base was there and they were definitely not happy with Obama, and we see clearly how much the base is disgusted with Democrats now. They didn't show up for Dems, as I predicted.

going to be honest: i think what calmed down most people was that a Democrat became president, wherein he immediately got credit for being a paragon of peace because he wasn't Bush/a Republican. this is why you get guys like Michael Moore who will rail against Bush/Cheney and then, when you hit 2008, get mysteriously muted or frame all their criticism in terms of US policy and never the president himself.

Yes I agree but to be fair, Michael Moore and others on the anti-war side have criticized Obama brutally the last 3 years or so. Michael Moore correctly said Obama's main legacy when he leaves office is being the first Black president, which is an accomplishment but there's nothing else to him now for the most part. He's been a huge disappointment to the anti-war crowd.

Occupy Wall Street was a big anti-war movement though, if you went to the protests (some were very large), you would think you were in the middle of a Vietnam War protest. Occupy Wall Street protests nationwide criticized Obama for his war mongering ways but you're right that too many blamed the system, and not enough blame went to Obama himself. I remember once going to an Occupy Wall Street protest in Manhattan and I argued with some woman who thought I was dissing Obama too much for being a bloodthirsty corporatist. The crowd shouted her down though, thankfully

 

[janklow]

Yes I agree but to be fair, Michael Moore and others on the anti-war side have criticized Obama brutally the last 3 years or so. ... He's been a huge disappointment to the anti-war crowd.

undoubtedly, there are people who criticized Bush, criticize Obama, and will criticize others. but there's no disputing that much of the vitrol that was lofted at Bush & Friends mysteriously vanished when a Democrat took office. not even saying whether or not it was warranted then or not, just tell me what the difference is.

preemptively, i will concede it'd be fair to stop protesting if your complain was, say, a specific war (if, say, your outrage was specific to Iraq). but if it wasn't...

Occupy Wall Street was a big anti-war movement though, if you went to the protests (some were very large), you would think you were in the middle of a Vietnam War protest. Occupy Wall Street protests nationwide criticized Obama for his war mongering ways but you're right that too many blamed the system, and not enough blame when to Obama himself.

just going to point out that Occupy Wall Street's name alone gives a strong indication of what is was seen as.

 

[kingblaze84]

As I predicted would happen, ISIS and Al-Qaeda have been united due to American air strikes targeting both groups in Iraq and Syria.....The war just got a lot more expensive and longer. No way moderate rebels can take on ISIS and Al-Qaeda fighting together. OH, and Khorosan agreed to join as well lol. If Obama tries to force out Assad, ISIS is gonna win this fight. And rumor has it Obama wants to attempt to take Assad out soon, due to Saudi Arabian and Turkish pressure smh....America's road to bankruptcy continues!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-sources-al-qaida-reach-accord-syria-190921017.html

ISTANBUL (AP) — Militant leaders from the Islamic State group and al-Qaida gathered at a farm house in northern Syria last week and agreed on a plan to stop fighting each other and work together against their opponents, a high-level Syrian opposition official and a rebel commander have told The Associated Press.

Such an accord could present new difficulties for Washington's strategy against the IS group. While warplanes from a U.S.-led coalition strike militants from the air, the Obama administration has counted on arming "moderate" rebel factions to push them back on the ground. Those rebels, already considered relatively weak and disorganized, would face far stronger opposition if the two heavy-hitting militant groups now are working together.

According to the opposition official, the meeting included an IS representative, two emissaries from Nusra Front, and attendees from the Khorasan Group, a small but battle-hardened band of al-Qaida veterans from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Also reported present at the meeting was Jund al-Aqsa, a hard-line faction that has sworn allegiance to IS; and Ahrar al-Sham, a conservative Muslim rebel group.

The official said IS and the Nusra Front agreed to work to destroy the Syrian Revolutionaries Front, a prominent rebel faction armed and trained by the United States and led by a fighter named Jamal Maarouf. They agreed to keep fighting until all of the force, estimated to be 10,000 to 12,000 fighters, was eliminated, the official said.

 

[kingblaze84]

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

 

[zombie]

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

You have to be fucking kidding me has anti-americanism finally rotted your sick brain. america technically speaking if it really wanted to could fight even more wars if the people wanted to, no one is bombing america nor are they in a position to do so.

who taught you history at hunter that motherfucker failed you

 

[kingblaze84]

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

You have to be fucking kidding me has anti-americanism finally rotted your sick brain. america technically speaking if it really wanted to could fight even more wars if the people wanted to, no one is bombing america nor are they in a position to do so.

who taught you history at hunter that motherfucker failed you

LOL do you remember reading about the last few years of the Third Reich? It started LOSING its wars, just like America has been losing its wars. America isn't getting bombed the way Nazi Germany did in the 1940s but it's losing its wars in a similar fashion. Afghanistan is a disaster, we have power over Kabul and the Taliban own the rest of the nation.

We took out Gaddafi, and now anti-American jihadists are the ones running wild in Libya. In fact, to this day, American embassies are not allowed to open there, that's how strong the hate is against Americans there. And we all know how Iraq is turning out, a complete disaster that is slowly bankrupting America silly. America can fight more wars against 3rd world nations if it chooses, but notice it won't dare fuck with a real powerful military, like Russia's. Russia is invading Ukraine RIGHT NOW, and despite the "protection deal" Ukraine signed with America, America ain't doing shit lol. And Americans in govt don't really want troops fighting ISIS head on, so don't get too arrogant over there. America isn't winning ANYTHING lately. NOTHING, except bankruptcy, inflation, and more enemies in the region.

 

[kingblaze84]

America has been at war against Iraq for 11 years and Afghanistan for 13 years LOL.....HILARIOUS. We can't even beat guys with sandals and robes, often without armor AND outnumbered. YES, America losing all these wars lately does remind me of the Third Reich losing its wars (against 6 nations I believe) the last few years of its existence. I watched a History Channel special on the Fall of the Third Reich just yesterday, and the similarities are frighteningly similar.

 

[zombie]

America has been at war against Iraq for 11 years and Afghanistan for 13 years LOL.....HILARIOUS. We can't even beat guys with sandals and robes, often without armor AND outnumbered. YES, America losing all these wars lately does remind me of the Third Reich losing its wars (against 6 nations I believe) the last few years of its existence. I watched a History Channel special on the Fall of the Third Reich just yesterday, and the similarities are frighteningly similar.

germany lost that war because germany itself was under actual attack their ability to fight was destroyed our ability to fight is not nor can it be the american people may lose the desire to fight but we are far far far from losing the ability. and we beat those guys in sandals already we are not actively fighting in iraq now and afghanistan is not in a revolt. Stop watching the history and read a history book

 

[zombie]

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

You have to be fucking kidding me has anti-americanism finally rotted your sick brain. america technically speaking if it really wanted to could fight even more wars if the people wanted to, no one is bombing america nor are they in a position to do so.

who taught you history at hunter that motherfucker failed you

LOL do you remember reading about the last few years of the Third Reich? It started LOSING its wars, just like America has been losing its wars. America isn't getting bombed the way Nazi Germany did in the 1940s but it's losing its wars in a similar fashion. Afghanistan is a disaster, we have power over Kabul and the Taliban own the rest of the nation.

We took out Gaddafi, and now anti-American jihadists are the ones running wild in Libya. In fact, to this day, American embassies are not allowed to open there, that's how strong the hate is against Americans there. And we all know how Iraq is turning out, a complete disaster that is slowly bankrupting America silly. America can fight more wars against 3rd world nations if it chooses, but notice it won't dare fuck with a real powerful military, like Russia's. Russia is invading Ukraine RIGHT NOW, and despite the "protection deal" Ukraine signed with America, America ain't doing shit lol. And Americans in govt don't really want troops fighting ISIS head on, so don't get too arrogant over there. America isn't winning ANYTHING lately. NOTHING, except bankruptcy, inflation, and more enemies in the region.

America has not lost iraq when we departed things were under control it's the iraqi government that fucked up and lost iraq. germany lost it's wars by invasion. it's not like there is actually anything worth holding onto in afghanistan anyway. america never went to war in libya and russia has traditionally had it's sphere of influence over ukraine so them taking parts of it makes perfect sense to me and ukraine is not part of nato so tuff shit for them ,who cares how much eneimes in the region we make they can't step on and american ant.

Stop with the bankruptcy myth please i went over this with you at least twice

 

[zombie]

I really think you underestimate the level of power america has both on the battlefield and in economics. THE NATIONS that can fuck with us either don't have a motivation to go to actual war with us or are so tied to us economically that they would only be hurting themselves it they destroyed us. @kingblaze84

 

[kingblaze84]

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

You have to be fucking kidding me has anti-americanism finally rotted your sick brain. america technically speaking if it really wanted to could fight even more wars if the people wanted to, no one is bombing america nor are they in a position to do so.

who taught you history at hunter that motherfucker failed you

LOL do you remember reading about the last few years of the Third Reich? It started LOSING its wars, just like America has been losing its wars. America isn't getting bombed the way Nazi Germany did in the 1940s but it's losing its wars in a similar fashion. Afghanistan is a disaster, we have power over Kabul and the Taliban own the rest of the nation.

We took out Gaddafi, and now anti-American jihadists are the ones running wild in Libya. In fact, to this day, American embassies are not allowed to open there, that's how strong the hate is against Americans there. And we all know how Iraq is turning out, a complete disaster that is slowly bankrupting America silly. America can fight more wars against 3rd world nations if it chooses, but notice it won't dare fuck with a real powerful military, like Russia's. Russia is invading Ukraine RIGHT NOW, and despite the "protection deal" Ukraine signed with America, America ain't doing shit lol. And Americans in govt don't really want troops fighting ISIS head on, so don't get too arrogant over there. America isn't winning ANYTHING lately. NOTHING, except bankruptcy, inflation, and more enemies in the region.

America has not lost iraq when we departed things were under control it's the iraqi government that fucked up and lost iraq. germany lost it's wars by invasion. it's not like there is actually anything worth holding onto in afghanistan anyway. america never went to war in libya and russia has traditionally had it's sphere of influence over ukraine so them taking parts of it makes perfect sense to me and ukraine is not part of nato so tuff shit for them ,who cares how much eneimes in the region we make they can't step on and american ant.

Stop with the bankruptcy myth please i went over this with you at least twice

LOL things were under control when America left Iraq? That's a Fox News LIE, Americans were being shot and killed and blown up right up until the time American forces left in 2011. Things did calm down a bit but Americans were still being hunted down there in 2011. And the war in Iraq was lost because all the gains that were made have been...

**DRUM ROLL**

LOST lol. Of course, Americans are slowly being sent there again and it's only a matter of time before all out shooting takes place btw ISIS, Al-Qaeda and American troops, so what did America really gain from Iraq? As far as America in Libya, we took out Gaddafi, only to create ANOTHER terrorist safe haven. And Yemen is slowly becoming an anti-American terror safe haven too. See the pattern?

With Russia and Ukraine, yeah Ukraine isn't a NATO member but America and Ukraine still signed a protection deal that said Ukraine would be protected in the event Russia invades. WELLL.....Russia has invaded, and Americans ain't gonna do shit militarily, don't think Putin and the world haven't noticed. They know America is so tied down losing in the Middle East that it doesn't have the time to fight a REAL military power. And considering ISIS is now a real military power too, things are messier then ever. This is the losing I am talking about, the strategy is a complete failure so far. And with the bankruptcy mess, America is spending money it really doesn't have to wage this war. Or did you forget America is 17 trillion in debt? This money we're spending isn't being used to pay down the debt, that's for sure lol

 

[kingblaze84]

I really think you underestimate the level of power america has both on the battlefield and in economics. THE NATIONS that can fuck with us either don't have a motivation to go to actual war with us or are so tied to us economically that they would only be hurting themselves it they destroyed us. @kingblaze84

I'm aware America still has lots of leverage around the world of course but that leverage isn't getting us anywhere in the Middle East, is it? Plus, America will not have the reserve currency forever, that 17 trillion in debt, if not put under control, will fall on America's lap pretty hard one day. According to most American economists I've read up on, it already is hurting America. Cost of living isn't getting any cheaper, word to the food and housing prices that go up every year. Spending money non stop on fighting never ending wars isn't helping America get anywhere.

 

[zombie]

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

You have to be fucking kidding me has anti-americanism finally rotted your sick brain. america technically speaking if it really wanted to could fight even more wars if the people wanted to, no one is bombing america nor are they in a position to do so.

who taught you history at hunter that motherfucker failed you

LOL do you remember reading about the last few years of the Third Reich? It started LOSING its wars, just like America has been losing its wars. America isn't getting bombed the way Nazi Germany did in the 1940s but it's losing its wars in a similar fashion. Afghanistan is a disaster, we have power over Kabul and the Taliban own the rest of the nation.

We took out Gaddafi, and now anti-American jihadists are the ones running wild in Libya. In fact, to this day, American embassies are not allowed to open there, that's how strong the hate is against Americans there. And we all know how Iraq is turning out, a complete disaster that is slowly bankrupting America silly. America can fight more wars against 3rd world nations if it chooses, but notice it won't dare fuck with a real powerful military, like Russia's. Russia is invading Ukraine RIGHT NOW, and despite the "protection deal" Ukraine signed with America, America ain't doing shit lol. And Americans in govt don't really want troops fighting ISIS head on, so don't get too arrogant over there. America isn't winning ANYTHING lately. NOTHING, except bankruptcy, inflation, and more enemies in the region.

America has not lost iraq when we departed things were under control it's the iraqi government that fucked up and lost iraq. germany lost it's wars by invasion. it's not like there is actually anything worth holding onto in afghanistan anyway. america never went to war in libya and russia has traditionally had it's sphere of influence over ukraine so them taking parts of it makes perfect sense to me and ukraine is not part of nato so tuff shit for them ,who cares how much eneimes in the region we make they can't step on and american ant.

Stop with the bankruptcy myth please i went over this with you at least twice

LOL things were under control when America left Iraq? That's a Fox News LIE, Americans were being shot and killed and blown up right up until the time American forces left in 2011. Things did calm down a bit but Americans were still being hunted down there in 2011. And the war in Iraq was lost because all the gains that were made have been...

**DRUM ROLL**

LOST lol. Of course, Americans are slowly being sent there again and it's only a matter of time before all out shooting takes place btw ISIS, Al-Qaeda and American troops, so what did America really gain from Iraq? As far as America in Libya, we took out Gaddafi, only to create ANOTHER terrorist safe haven. And Yemen is slowly becoming an anti-American terror safe haven too. See the pattern?

With Russia and Ukraine, yeah Ukraine isn't a NATO member but America and Ukraine still signed a protection deal that said Ukraine would be protected in the event Russia invades. WELLL.....Russia has invaded, and Americans ain't gonna do shit militarily, don't think Putin and the world haven't noticed. They know America is so tied down losing in the Middle East that it doesn't have the time to fight a REAL military power. And considering ISIS is now a real military power too, things are messier then ever. This is the losing I am talking about, the strategy is a complete failure so far. And with the bankruptcy mess, America is spending money it really doesn't have to wage this war. Or did you forget America is 17 trillion in debt? This money we're spending isn't being used to pay down the debt, that's for sure lol

There are people being shot right now in america when i said things were under control i did not mean shit was perfect but generally speaking things were within limits. bands of crazy arabs were not chopping heads off.

THE GAINS WERE LOST BUT NOT BY US. The iraqi government fucked up what we gave them. i see the pattern of america not engaging fully as we should and leaving too soon thats what i see had we never left iraq there would be no isis there today.

do you have the details of that protection deal??? i don't think europe wants us to deal with this situation i think they are more than willing to sacrafice ukraine. america will never fight russia never has except through proxy which we might be seeing shortly. Isis a real military power LOL THEY would have been washed the fuck up long ago is there were fighting the american military.

You keep talking about that 17 trillion debt i am sick of it when i told you already most of that debt we owe to our fucking self. You think if we were not at war that money would be spent on reducing the debt??? lol fuck no.

i respond to you because your comment that america was like nazis or that we would end it like germany was total utter bullshit, we could lose ten more wars in the middle east and still not end up like germany.

 

[zombie]

And the american dollar is trending up thank you very fucking much

 

[kingblaze84]

And the american dollar is trending up thank you very fucking much

Okay, let's see how the rest of this operation works out and affects the national debt. I predict it will increase it, like the last war did. And yes most American debt is owned by American corporations and individuals, but American debt holders are quite ruthless in America, word to all the people with eviction notices on their homes and apartments. Word to all the people who go bankrupt in the nation because American hospitals are brutal to those who go through accidents and worse. Americans mostly owning the debt means more cutbacks for states and federal limits on what it wants to spend money on and not spend money on (social security increases are at record lows compared to inflation).

Now I'll be honest and say, if the war in Iraq was beneficial in a way that we GAINED enough to pay down the debt or at least not have it be as expensive as it has been so far, I wouldn't talk about it as much. But the Saudi Arabians and Turks don't seem to be paying for this war, despite it being in their own region. So in the end this is all wasteful, it's digging a pit of more and more unified enemies.

 

[kingblaze84]

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

You have to be fucking kidding me has anti-americanism finally rotted your sick brain. america technically speaking if it really wanted to could fight even more wars if the people wanted to, no one is bombing america nor are they in a position to do so.

who taught you history at hunter that motherfucker failed you

LOL do you remember reading about the last few years of the Third Reich? It started LOSING its wars, just like America has been losing its wars. America isn't getting bombed the way Nazi Germany did in the 1940s but it's losing its wars in a similar fashion. Afghanistan is a disaster, we have power over Kabul and the Taliban own the rest of the nation.

We took out Gaddafi, and now anti-American jihadists are the ones running wild in Libya. In fact, to this day, American embassies are not allowed to open there, that's how strong the hate is against Americans there. And we all know how Iraq is turning out, a complete disaster that is slowly bankrupting America silly. America can fight more wars against 3rd world nations if it chooses, but notice it won't dare fuck with a real powerful military, like Russia's. Russia is invading Ukraine RIGHT NOW, and despite the "protection deal" Ukraine signed with America, America ain't doing shit lol. And Americans in govt don't really want troops fighting ISIS head on, so don't get too arrogant over there. America isn't winning ANYTHING lately. NOTHING, except bankruptcy, inflation, and more enemies in the region.

America has not lost iraq when we departed things were under control it's the iraqi government that fucked up and lost iraq. germany lost it's wars by invasion. it's not like there is actually anything worth holding onto in afghanistan anyway. america never went to war in libya and russia has traditionally had it's sphere of influence over ukraine so them taking parts of it makes perfect sense to me and ukraine is not part of nato so tuff shit for them ,who cares how much eneimes in the region we make they can't step on and american ant.

Stop with the bankruptcy myth please i went over this with you at least twice

LOL things were under control when America left Iraq? That's a Fox News LIE, Americans were being shot and killed and blown up right up until the time American forces left in 2011. Things did calm down a bit but Americans were still being hunted down there in 2011. And the war in Iraq was lost because all the gains that were made have been...

**DRUM ROLL**

LOST lol. Of course, Americans are slowly being sent there again and it's only a matter of time before all out shooting takes place btw ISIS, Al-Qaeda and American troops, so what did America really gain from Iraq? As far as America in Libya, we took out Gaddafi, only to create ANOTHER terrorist safe haven. And Yemen is slowly becoming an anti-American terror safe haven too. See the pattern?

With Russia and Ukraine, yeah Ukraine isn't a NATO member but America and Ukraine still signed a protection deal that said Ukraine would be protected in the event Russia invades. WELLL.....Russia has invaded, and Americans ain't gonna do shit militarily, don't think Putin and the world haven't noticed. They know America is so tied down losing in the Middle East that it doesn't have the time to fight a REAL military power. And considering ISIS is now a real military power too, things are messier then ever. This is the losing I am talking about, the strategy is a complete failure so far. And with the bankruptcy mess, America is spending money it really doesn't have to wage this war. Or did you forget America is 17 trillion in debt? This money we're spending isn't being used to pay down the debt, that's for sure lol

There are people being shot right now in america when i said things were under control i did not mean shit was perfect but generally speaking things were within limits. bands of crazy arabs were not chopping heads off.

THE GAINS WERE LOST BUT NOT BY US. The iraqi government fucked up what we gave them. i see the pattern of america not engaging fully as we should and leaving too soon thats what i see had we never left iraq there would be no isis there today.

do you have the details of that protection deal??? i don't think europe wants us to deal with this situation i think they are more than willing to sacrafice ukraine. america will never fight russia never has except through proxy which we might be seeing shortly. Isis a real military power LOL THEY would have been washed the fuck up long ago is there were fighting the american military.

You keep talking about that 17 trillion debt i am sick of it when i told you already most of that debt we owe to our fucking self. You think if we were not at war that money would be spent on reducing the debt??? lol fuck no.

i respond to you because your comment that america was like nazis or that we would end it like germany was total utter bullshit, we could lose ten more wars in the middle east and still not end up like germany.

I'll have to look up the details but I'm 100% sure America signed a military protection deal with Ukraine after it agreed to give up its nukes.

And I didn't say America WILL end up like Germany's Third Reich, but the path it's on is very similar. Germany was at war with 6 or so nations during the 1940s: Czechoslovakia, Russia, France, England, America and parts of northern Africa. Eventually, Germany got tied down fighting all these wars and it was Nazi arrogance that put them down. They thought they could take on the world, and they couldn't. America is on a similar track because it is spending WAAAYY too much money fighting all these operations, and eventually it can break us because it leaves us open to other threats. You underestimate the anger America is creating with all these policies, it's spreading across the world AND many of these angry people are pledging allegiance to ISIS. Do you know how scary this could be? You saw what happened in Egypt 2 weeks ago? A huge terror attack killed a bunch of Egyptian soldiers, soldiers who get funding from America. That's in an America allied nation, with terrorists ALLIED with ISIS. And look what happened in Turkey the other day, ANOTHER America allied nation....Germany thought they were invincible until it was too late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sq7M4z0wJK0

 

[kingblaze84]

US Military is considering sending the troops Obama sent to Iraq last week DIRECTLY into battle
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/13/us-military-considers-troops-iraq-general

The top-ranking officer in the American military said on Thursday that the US is actively considering the direct use of troops in the toughest upcoming fights against the Islamic State (Isis) in Iraq, less than a week after Barack Obama doubled troop levels there.

General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, indicated to the House of Representatives armed services committee that the strength of Isis relative to the Iraqi army may be such that he would recommend abandoning Obama’s oft-repeated pledge against returning US ground troops to combat in Iraq.

With last week’s ordered US troop increases, designed to aid Iraqi campaign planning against Isis and to prop up 12 Iraqi and Kurdish brigades, US troop levels in Iraq will soon stand at 3,000.

Dempsey and Hagel were more definitive about a looming expansion of the US air war, which has delivered approximately 800 air strikes since August. Hagel told the panel that “the tempo and intensity of our coalition’s air campaign will accelerate” as the Iraqi forces “build strength” under renewed US mentorship.

Representative Walter Jones, a North Carolina Republican who opposes a new congressional war authorization, said Hagel’s rhetoric about Isis was reminiscent of 2002 arguments for invading Iraq.

“It looks like we’re going down the same road that Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told us that we had to do,” Jones said.

In a 17-minute audio recording released online on Thursday, which could not be independently verified, Isis leader Baghdadi cited Obama’s deployment orders for an additional 1,500 troops in Iraq last week as evidence that the US campaign was failing.

--Obama, one of the better liars I have seen in my time. Props.

 

[janklow]

As I predicted would happen, ISIS and Al-Qaeda have been united due to American air strikes targeting both groups in Iraq and Syria...

okay, let's get some quotes from AQ proper instead of the local branch now.

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

seriously, this is the worst, stupidest analogy you have ever used. it has the whole Godwin's Law thing AND the part where the comparison fails on multiple levels. jesus christ.

America isn't getting bombed the way Nazi Germany did in the 1940s but it's losing its wars in a similar fashion.

no, it isn't losing its wars "in a similar fashion." Germany lost its wars to a worldwide alliance of the USSR and the US. is it not IMMEDIATELY apparent to you how this comparison is fucking TRASH?

=but notice it won't dare fuck with a real powerful military, like Russia's.

wait, who are these powerful nations that want to fuck with the US's military?

also, here's your reminder that Russia THEMSELVES signed a deal to protect Ukraine's sovereignty.

YES, America losing all these wars lately does remind me of the Third Reich losing its wars (against 6 nations I believe)

against a lot more than six nations, actually. i'm not sure you were actually paying attention to this documentary.

And I didn't say America WILL end up like Germany's Third Reich, but the path it's on is very similar.

because the US spent years annexing territory it had lost to its neighbors in prior war, then made an alliance to carve up Poland? also the Holocaust?

THIS REMAINS THE STUPIDEST FUCKING ANALOGY

Germany was at war with 6 or so nations during the 1940s: Czechoslovakia, Russia, France, England, America and parts of northern Africa. Eventually, Germany got tied down fighting all these wars and it was Nazi arrogance that put them down.

...where to begin with this:

-it was more than "6 or so nations," France is more complicated than this, why did Poland get skipped, what does "parts of northern Africa mean," do we remember there we colonies during this war, did you notice Germany didn't get "tied down" so much as exhausted fighting to the extreme? ugh.

America is on a similar track because it is spending WAAAYY too much money fighting all these operations, and eventually it can break us because it leaves us open to other threats.

America did not invade a neighboring nation to start the conflict while running the Holocaust and acting on other full-scale invasions of neighboring nations. NOT A SIMILAR TRACK.