If you believe the Devil will punish you in hell..

[Bodhi]

If there was a god who was going to let me do as I choose, I should hope that, that god gave me full compass of choices, good and evil. If that god only created good, how could I choose evil?

The problem is that the god is omni benevolent. A totally omni benevolent god would not, under any circumstance, create a condition for evil to thrive. If evil exists, and there is a god, that god cannot be omni benevolent. If one were to give up the theory of a purely benevolent god, one could reconcile this issue.

 

[zombie]

IF THE FUTURE has not come into existence then it is not real. all the video proves is that there is a relationship between space and time not that the future exist as a actualized thing.

Then we simply don't agree here.

a caterpillar and a butterfly are the same species but like i said their fundamental nature is totally different unlike that of a calf and a cow. the calf and the cow have the same form and nature. God did not make the devil the devil made himself into the devil.

If they are the same species, how can their "fundamental nature" be totally different? It's a fact. Caterpillars are no more than the larval form of butterflies.

If god didn't create the devil, god is not the supreme creator.

God is the supreme creator the greatest creator but he is not the only creator because man creates his own future by obedience to him or disobedience to him.

the nature of a caterpillar and the nature of a butterfly are totally different because their behaviors are totally different, their ways of life are totally different, like look radically different from each other they do not even eat the same food.

God would be a terrible creator if he existed. Especially being all knowing yet continuing to create evil entities like Satan.

The behavior, way of life, appearance, and diet of a fetus is vastly different from an adult human. But they are still the same thing.

God did not create satan lucifer became satan

A fetus is just a small human but a butterfly looks nothing like a catterpillar. in gods eyes a reborn man looks nothing like he did before and is totally changed. This is what the bible states you either accept it or you do not.

 

[zombie]

If there was a god who was going to let me do as I choose, I should hope that, that god gave me full compass of choices, good and evil. If that god only created good, how could I choose evil?

God has made you with power of your own. you create what you wish. from your own mind and your own actions you make this world a good one or a bad one.

what god has done is create the situation in which you can choose to do otherwise would be evil.

 

[Bodhi]

God did not create satan lucifer became satan

Same person.

A fetus is just a small human but a butterfly looks nothing like a catterpillar. in gods eyes a reborn man looks nothing like he did before and is totally changed. This is what the bible states you either accept it or you do not.

A caterpillar is just a young butterfly.

A fetus looks nothing like an elderly person.

 

[beenwize]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7

Amos 3:6

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Deuteronomy 28:63

And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

1 Samuel 19:9

And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Samuel 16:14

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

1 Samuel 18:10

The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully on Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the lyre, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand

1 Kings 22:22

"'By what means?' the LORD asked. "'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. "'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

 

[Bodhi]

That's that shit that make ya soul spirit burn slow

 

[alissowack]

There is the impression that we know the depths in which evil can go. We think that evil is as obvious as watching a thief taking an old lady's purse. There is a verse in the Bible in which the Devil masquerades as an angel of light...meaning the Devil knows how to do "good". Evil can be disguised in charitable giving, being honest, acts of heroism, acts of kindness...anything we consider to be good. It is the intentions that determines what it is meant for and given our limited understanding, we will never fully grasp this. It just might be that in saving someone's life, we are actually killing them...who knows? But, we think that when God creates "evil", it is for the intentions of producing evil ultimately.

 

[zombie]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7

Amos 3:6

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

The word evil in the bible in those passages is translated from the word "raah" it's meaning is calamity not evil, in context those verses are about god bring judgment not creating evil

Deuteronomy 28:63

And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Yeah like i said in my first post god will destroy evil that does not mean he created it only that he destroys it.

1 Samuel 19:9

And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Samuel 16:14

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

1 Samuel 18:10

The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully on Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the lyre, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand

1 Kings 22:22

"'By what means?' the LORD asked. "'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. "'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

like i said in my first post god destroys evil, god may ALSO command an evil spirit to do something but that is not him creating the evil spirit in the first place. God creates a good spirit then it chose to become evil. this is what happened with saul. and in return for his evil the spirit of god departed him and an evil from god on came upon him. notice the evil spirit was not of god.

when god desires to punish you and an evil spirits desire to torture you coincide it's a match made in heaven, but that still does not mean that god CREATED the evil spirit.

 

[beenwize]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7

Amos 3:6

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

The word evil in the bible in those passages is translated from the word "raah" it's meaning is calamity not evil, in context those verses are about god bring judgment not creating evil

Deuteronomy 28:63

And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Yeah like i said in my first post god will destroy evil that does not mean he created it only that he destroys it.

1 Samuel 19:9

And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Samuel 16:14

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

1 Samuel 18:10

The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully on Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the lyre, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand

1 Kings 22:22

"'By what means?' the LORD asked. "'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. "'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

like i said in my first post god destroys evil, god may ALSO command an evil spirit to do something but that is not him creating the evil spirit in the first place. God creates a good spirit then it chose to become evil. this is what happened with saul. and in return for his evil the spirit of god departed him and an evil from god on came upon him. notice the evil spirit was not of god.

when god desires to punish you and an evil spirits desire to torture you coincide it's a match made in heaven, but that still does not mean that god CREATED the evil spirit.

the word used in the kjv Bible is "evil" so if the Bible is the word of god through inspiration then wouldn't "evil" be the inspired translation?

Deuteronomy 28:63

And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

This says that God would rejoice to destroy a people. What do you think on that?

 

[beenwize]

if someone was being lynched and God was rejoicing I would be very scared for humanity.

Then I read the New Testament in a lot of the scripture I get a different more loving view of God than that from the Old Testament.

 

[zombie]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7

Amos 3:6

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

The word evil in the bible in those passages is translated from the word "raah" it's meaning is calamity not evil, in context those verses are about god bring judgment not creating evil

Deuteronomy 28:63

And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Yeah like i said in my first post god will destroy evil that does not mean he created it only that he destroys it.

1 Samuel 19:9

And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Samuel 16:14

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

1 Samuel 18:10

The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully on Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the lyre, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand

1 Kings 22:22

"'By what means?' the LORD asked. "'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. "'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

like i said in my first post god destroys evil, god may ALSO command an evil spirit to do something but that is not him creating the evil spirit in the first place. God creates a good spirit then it chose to become evil. this is what happened with saul. and in return for his evil the spirit of god departed him and an evil from god on came upon him. notice the evil spirit was not of god.

when god desires to punish you and an evil spirits desire to torture you coincide it's a match made in heaven, but that still does not mean that god CREATED the evil spirit.

the word used in the kjv Bible is "evil" so if the Bible is the word of god through inspiration then wouldn't "evil" be the inspired translation?

Deuteronomy 28:63

And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

This says that God would rejoice to destroy a people. What do you think on that?

I think it's good some people need to be DESTROYED the god of abraham has no problem removing you from earth.

The bible, the old testment is really part of the torah the scriptures of the torah were written by men under the power of god.

 

[zombie]

if someone was being lynched and God was rejoicing I would be very scared for humanity.

Then I read the New Testament in a lot of the scripture I get a different more loving view of God than that from the Old Testament.

The god of the new is also the god of the old human conceptions are not like those of god and no one can love the way god loves. The O.T is god dealing with a state, the new is god dealing on a personal basis.

 

[Ajackson17]

Written By Tehuti 20-30,000 years ago (From the Book of the Dead which pre-dates the Bible):

"The pure will be thought insane and the impure will be honored as wise...

This land (Egypt) once the home of spiritualty .. Will be forsaken and overrun by foreigners, who will neglect our sacred ways. Nothing will remain of our religion but an empty tale. Which even her (Egypt) own children will not believe....

Knowledge of the IMMORTAL soul will be laughed at and denied.... So I Tehuti, the first of men to attain all (God) knowledge have inscribed the secrets of the gods in sacred symbols and holy hieroglyphs on these tablets I have concealed for a future worlds that May seek our sacred wisdom..."

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

If a person is never introduced to the notion of God will he go to hell if he doesn't repent?

1. Every person, that can reason and is of the age of accountability, knows that there is a God. How? Because God ordained when and where each and every human being would live before He created the world, in order that humans would seek after Him and find Him.

"From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being." Acts 17:26-28

2. There is a no excuse for a person, who can reason and is of the age of accountability, to ever say to God on judgment day that they never knew He existed. How? Because nature itself testifies to there being a Creator.

"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20

3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.

"For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." Romans 1:21-23

4. God is no respecter of persons. If a person dies as a unrepentant sinner they will have to pay for their sins on judgment day. Romans 2 explains this clearly, whether you are Jew or a gentile.

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." Romans 2:12-16

 

[Bodhi]

3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.

False. There are a few non theistic religions in the east.

Also, Jesus says no one comes to the father except through him. Christians have interpreted this to mean that simply believing in God will not do but rather one must "give their lives" (or whatever they're saying now) to Christ in order to be saved and receive the eternal reward as opposed to eternal damnation. This separates Christianity from all other religions even those that are theistic.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

If a person is never introduced to the notion of God will he go to hell if he doesn't repent?

1. Every person, that can reason and is of the age of accountability, knows that there is a God. How? Because God ordained when and where each and every human being would live before He created the world, in order that humans would seek after Him and find Him.

"From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being." Acts 17:26-28

2. There is a no excuse for a person, who can reason and is of the age of accountability, to ever say to God on judgment day that they never knew He existed. How? Because nature itself testifies to there being a Creator.

"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20

3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.

"For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." Romans 1:21-23

4. God is no respecter of persons. If a person dies as a unrepentant sinner they will have to pay for their sins on judgment day. Romans 2 explains this clearly, whether you are Jew or a gentile.

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." Romans 2:12-16

So A Muslim who worships to Allah is just as right as a Christian who worships Jesus. They are both God, just different names correct? It's more the spiritual aspect am I right?

No my friend. Muslims fundementally deny that Jesus Christ is God, that He is the Savior, and that only through Him can our sins be forgiven.

Have you asked the LORD Jesus Christ to be your Savior my friend?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.

False. There are a few non theistic religions in the east.

Also, Jesus says no one comes to the father except through him. Christians have interpreted this to mean that simply believing in God will not do but rather one must "give their lives" (or whatever they're saying now) to Christ in order to be saved and receive the eternal reward as opposed to eternal damnation. This separates Christianity from all other religions even those that are theistic.

The religions that you talk about in the east, worship some type of idol, even if that idol is their very own being. Anything that takes glory away from the true and living God, is an idol; which can be an innumerable amount of things.

And yes, Jesus is the only way to the Father. Amen.

 

[Bodhi]

3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.

False. There are a few non theistic religions in the east.

Also, Jesus says no one comes to the father except through him. Christians have interpreted this to mean that simply believing in God will not do but rather one must "give their lives" (or whatever they're saying now) to Christ in order to be saved and receive the eternal reward as opposed to eternal damnation. This separates Christianity from all other religions even those that are theistic.

The religions that you talk about in the east, worship some type of idol, even if that idol is their very own being. Anything that takes glory away from the true and living God, is an idol; which can be an innumerable amount of things.

And yes, Jesus is the only way to the Father. Amen.

Some of them don't worship anything.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.

False. There are a few non theistic religions in the east.

Also, Jesus says no one comes to the father except through him. Christians have interpreted this to mean that simply believing in God will not do but rather one must "give their lives" (or whatever they're saying now) to Christ in order to be saved and receive the eternal reward as opposed to eternal damnation. This separates Christianity from all other religions even those that are theistic.

The religions that you talk about in the east, worship some type of idol, even if that idol is their very own being. Anything that takes glory away from the true and living God, is an idol; which can be an innumerable amount of things.

And yes, Jesus is the only way to the Father. Amen.

Some of them don't worship anything.

They worship themselves, by denying the true and living God.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.

False. There are a few non theistic religions in the east.

Also, Jesus says no one comes to the father except through him. Christians have interpreted this to mean that simply believing in God will not do but rather one must "give their lives" (or whatever they're saying now) to Christ in order to be saved and receive the eternal reward as opposed to eternal damnation. This separates Christianity from all other religions even those that are theistic.

The religions that you talk about in the east, worship some type of idol, even if that idol is their very own being. Anything that takes glory away from the true and living God, is an idol; which can be an innumerable amount of things.

And yes, Jesus is the only way to the Father. Amen.

Some of them don't worship anything.

Tell me why you don't want to live forever with the King of the universe, Jesus Christ?