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Oceanic ;6368354 said:MansaMusa67;6368222 said:Oceanic ;6368148 said:MansaMusa67;6366541 said:Oceanic ;6366364 said:MansaMusa67;6365452 said:Oceanic ;6365367 said:So that means I don't believe in sin and therefore no one can die for your "sins" so I don't believe in Jesus the Christ
Where does your sense of morality come from?
I believe its only logical. Nature evolves into the multiplicity of forms that we have today in order to experience itself. Morality comes from respecting the path or the process of Nature and taking care of the earth and your fellow man so that they can share in the experience and live to the fullest.
But what about the things or actions people make that would be considered sin from a theists perception, but not infringe on the the next man's ability to "live to the fullest"
Like what?
Adultry for one.
Adultery has many negative consequences that may end in mental or physical suffering. Therefore its an act you may want to avoid. Adultery is selfishness and does not take into account the feelings of all persons involved.
Oceanic ;6368369 said:Realizing that we are One has many moral consequences. Basically, you stop thinking about yourself as a single entity that has nothing to do with the Whole but as a part of an interrelated group. That makes us responsible for the well-being of ourselves.
MansaMusa67;6371148 said:Based on ur answer, cheating is not wrong. It's just something you MAY want to avoid because of possible outcomes
MansaMusa67;6371148 said:....i've seen u cosign post that we as humans are just mentally advanced creatures....but in the animal kingdom, polygamy is widely practiced. So would u say the animals that do this are out of tune with nature?
Smash_Adams;6365673 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365160 said:Smash_Adams;6364797 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6364530 said:Smash_Adams;6364216 said:If a person is never introduced to the notion of God will he go to hell if he doesn't repent?
1. Every person, that can reason and is of the age of accountability, knows that there is a God. How? Because God ordained when and where each and every human being would live before He created the world, in order that humans would seek after Him and find Him.
"From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being." Acts 17:26-28
2. There is a no excuse for a person, who can reason and is of the age of accountability, to ever say to God on judgment day that they never knew He existed. How? Because nature itself testifies to there being a Creator.
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20
3. The problem is not mankind knowing who God is because all the religions of the world testify to mankind knowing that there is a greater power; rather the problem is that mankind makes God into their own image of what their "God" should be and act like. Hence, you have all these religions in the world.
"For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." Romans 1:21-23
4. God is no respecter of persons. If a person dies as a unrepentant sinner they will have to pay for their sins on judgment day. Romans 2 explains this clearly, whether you are Jew or a gentile.
"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." Romans 2:12-16
So A Muslim who worships to Allah is just as right as a Christian who worships Jesus. They are both God, just different names correct? It's more the spiritual aspect am I right?
No my friend. Muslims fundementally deny that Jesus Christ is God, that He is the Savior, and that only through Him can our sins be forgiven.
Have you asked the LORD Jesus Christ to be your Savior my friend?
A long time ago, now I don't believe. I think there is a creator but any God who sends his message through the torment, murder, and rape of Africans is not a God I want to worship period. 300 years ago the same people who try to preach to me about Jesus would have been just as happy hanging me and my daughter from a tree. If God let millions of people die so Christianity could come to Africa than I am a soul he shall never have. There had to have been a better way than the destruction of the First civilization.
Smash_Adams;6365682 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365407 said:So you worship something that can't see, can't hear, can't walk, and can't talk? What type of god is that?
The God you worship. He does none of those things. No one alive have seen these miracles he performed. So how do you know it's not fabricated? It's just as easy to believe that we are in a jar in some aliens bedroom, his little universe that he picked up online.
Oceanic ;6366374 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365407 said:So you worship something that can't see, can't hear, can't walk, and can't talk? What type of god is that?
Nature has the ability to pour out and take the form of things that can do all of that. We are the living embodiment and manifestation of that expression. It is the process that gives birth to all things.
alissowack;6371621 said:...but, wouldn't there be something "wrong" with suffering? Suffering is not just some strategic position that we don't want to end up. It's robs us of the things we value as right in life as well. We, in our suffering, want the lines to be made very clear as to what is right and wrong and hope we're not the only ones who think so.
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371655 said:Oceanic ;6366374 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365407 said:So you worship something that can't see, can't hear, can't walk, and can't talk? What type of god is that?
Nature has the ability to pour out and take the form of things that can do all of that. We are the living embodiment and manifestation of that expression. It is the process that gives birth to all things.
God is the one who controls nature. That's why when Jesus spoke to the wind and the waves of the sea, they obeyed Him. It's in Him that we live, and move, and have our being. Amen.
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371655 said:That's why when Jesus spoke to the wind and the waves of the sea, they obeyed Him.
Oceanic ;6371727 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371655 said:Oceanic ;6366374 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365407 said:So you worship something that can't see, can't hear, can't walk, and can't talk? What type of god is that?
Nature has the ability to pour out and take the form of things that can do all of that. We are the living embodiment and manifestation of that expression. It is the process that gives birth to all things.
God is the one who controls nature. That's why when Jesus spoke to the wind and the waves of the sea, they obeyed Him. It's in Him that we live, and move, and have our being. Amen.
If there were a god, he would be controlled by Nature. Because if he can think and talk and walk and all of that good stuff, there has to be some type of general law(s) that govern the order of those things. There even has to be a law of nature that deems his existence possible before he can even be there at all.
Oceanic ;6371728 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371655 said:That's why when Jesus spoke to the wind and the waves of the sea, they obeyed Him.
Yeah and when they posted him up on that cross, he obeyed the laws of nature and died.
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371752 said:Oceanic ;6371727 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371655 said:Oceanic ;6366374 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365407 said:So you worship something that can't see, can't hear, can't walk, and can't talk? What type of god is that?
Nature has the ability to pour out and take the form of things that can do all of that. We are the living embodiment and manifestation of that expression. It is the process that gives birth to all things.
God is the one who controls nature. That's why when Jesus spoke to the wind and the waves of the sea, they obeyed Him. It's in Him that we live, and move, and have our being. Amen.
If there were a god, he would be controlled by Nature. Because if he can think and talk and walk and all of that good stuff, there has to be some type of general law(s) that govern the order of those things. There even has to be a law of nature that deems his existence possible before he can even be there at all.
The Creator, God, set in order the laws of nature. Read Genesis 1. The Creator is not subject or governed by the very things He created.
Oceanic ;6371785 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371752 said:Oceanic ;6371727 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371655 said:Oceanic ;6366374 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365407 said:So you worship something that can't see, can't hear, can't walk, and can't talk? What type of god is that?
Nature has the ability to pour out and take the form of things that can do all of that. We are the living embodiment and manifestation of that expression. It is the process that gives birth to all things.
God is the one who controls nature. That's why when Jesus spoke to the wind and the waves of the sea, they obeyed Him. It's in Him that we live, and move, and have our being. Amen.
If there were a god, he would be controlled by Nature. Because if he can think and talk and walk and all of that good stuff, there has to be some type of general law(s) that govern the order of those things. There even has to be a law of nature that deems his existence possible before he can even be there at all.
The Creator, God, set in order the laws of nature. Read Genesis 1. The Creator is not subject or governed by the very things He created.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Read that again.
Oceanic ;6371500 said:MansaMusa67;6371148 said:Based on ur answer, cheating is not wrong. It's just something you MAY want to avoid because of possible outcomes
Yes, I said may want to avoid because the rules and standards that we live by are defined by the path of our society as a whole. The lines between right and wrong are not easy to define when taking into account widely varied cultures. There are people who practice polygamy or even an open relationship where "cheating", as defined by a monogamous couple, is not wrong per se. What it really boils down to is being honest with the people you involve yourself with so that there is no deceit or dishonesty. The main goal is to avoid causing each other suffering.
MansaMusa67;6371148 said:....i've seen u cosign post that we as humans are just mentally advanced creatures....but in the animal kingdom, polygamy is widely practiced. So would u say the animals that do this are out of tune with nature?
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371816 said:Oceanic ;6371785 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371752 said:Oceanic ;6371727 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6371655 said:Oceanic ;6366374 said:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6365407 said:So you worship something that can't see, can't hear, can't walk, and can't talk? What type of god is that?
Nature has the ability to pour out and take the form of things that can do all of that. We are the living embodiment and manifestation of that expression. It is the process that gives birth to all things.
God is the one who controls nature. That's why when Jesus spoke to the wind and the waves of the sea, they obeyed Him. It's in Him that we live, and move, and have our being. Amen.
If there were a god, he would be controlled by Nature. Because if he can think and talk and walk and all of that good stuff, there has to be some type of general law(s) that govern the order of those things. There even has to be a law of nature that deems his existence possible before he can even be there at all.
The Creator, God, set in order the laws of nature. Read Genesis 1. The Creator is not subject or governed by the very things He created.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Read that again.
I read your statement, and my response remains the same. God isn't subject or governed by the creation. Amen.
@oceanicOceanic ;6372857 said:Nothing in itself is good or bad. It is thought that places value on to phenomena. The aftermath of lying is damaging by way of falsifying reality. Living according to truth is like walking a worn path, free from danger and destruction. Living according to falsehood is like deviating from said path and falling victim to predators and traps.
Well modern science is saying that monogamous relationships assisted in protecting children from outsiders and, as a result, upped the intelligence of the species.
Oceanic ;6371657 said:alissowack;6371621 said:...but, wouldn't there be something "wrong" with suffering? Suffering is not just some strategic position that we don't want to end up. It's robs us of the things we value as right in life as well. We, in our suffering, want the lines to be made very clear as to what is right and wrong and hope we're not the only ones who think so.
Idk what you're talking about.