If the bible is proven to be made up....

[alissowack]

I don't think it's possible to prove or disprove the Bible in this world. There are arguments for and against the Bible and all seem to claim to be non-biased. There are peoples lives that are changed for the good through the Bible and some are for the bad. The only thing I can think of that would put an end to this debate is that we wait patient on Death to come and we see where the truth resides.

 

[alissowack]

What does reading your posts...or for that matter you reading my posts prove? I'm prone to certain viewpoints and perspectives just as you are that has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. I'm just guessing, but you are making a case against the Bible because people you have seen or read about have betrayed your trust. Why believe in the Bible if you can't trust the person who says they believe in it.

It's not that you actually did your research and put all of your biases aside to come to your conclusions. It's not like you are trying to weigh both sides of the issue. I would at least give you the benefit of a doubt if you gave equal time to both sides of the issue, but you don't. It would be false to say that everyone who believes in the Bible is like the preacher who commits adultery on Saturday and gives a sermon on not to commit adultery on Sunday. There are people who have been a positive influence in their belief in the Bible. There has to be something they are believing (in the Bible) that hasn't led them to be an extremist or something.

As far as I can see it, you don't want it to be true and that's fine. But don't expect people to take you seriously if all you are going to do is be one-sided on the issue anyway.

 

[SoulRattler of Venom]

Define "made up". Isn't everything created?

 

[demandred]

Once you understand what the bible is saying, it doesnt really matter if the stories within it are true or not, they serve a higher purpose of educating of spirituality

 

[TX_Made713]

Once you understand what the bible is saying, it doesnt really matter if the stories within it are true or not, they serve a higher purpose of educating of spirituality

actually I agree. But people live by the bible as if thats what it is

 

[alissowack]

How many sides are there when it comes to the bible? Here's what I don't understand. It is encouraged to know the word of god but when I ask about or quote something out of this bible, stuff I didn't make up, people get mad at me like I put it their. Like I should be ashamed, or rather believers are ashamed of the so called words of god. How in hell can I be one sided quoting the word of god? How could I be wrong quoting the so called truth?
If people do not like the way I am It's because I read the bible. Am I good or am I bad?

You can sit there and play innocent if you want, but you know what you are doing when you make your posts. For example the "King David and Jonathan" post. You already suggested the issue of homosexuality before anybody has a chance to read it for themselves and come to their own conclusions. I'm not saying you can't post scripture. However, you think because you see one way means that it is the only way in which those passages are read. Your posts dictates how the Bible should be read according to you.

 

[Yung_Souf_Money]

the bible is real

 

[And Step]

How would that change yalls lives?

Question. If me and you use the same tool, and I can extract some benefit form it and you can't does that mean the tool is no good?

I know people who have used principles in that book and their lives have changed for the better. It is made up. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have any value.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Already has been, nwo anyone? Out with the old, in with the new. Moving out of the old belief and faith based system and more solidly into the reason and logic based system.

 

[alissowack]

^^^^^and what about my holy shit post? I'm I suggesting that god wants people to eat shit or is that what it says?
I don't suggest nothing it says what it says. Are you suggesting that I be lenient on the word of god? Or should I look for alternitive nice inturpretation for what it blantantly says?

You are still dictating how the Bible should be read through that post. I can start a thread and call it, "Perfection Gets You Into Heaven" and post scripture to justify my claim. But there would have to be something telling you before you even click on that post...nobody's perfect. People make mistakes. How could I make such a thread. Maybe my perception on perfection is flawed; maybe you would question my integrity and ask probing questions like do you smoke, drink,...look at pornography. You would want to see if there is more to what I'm saying than just...well, that is what the Bible says.

 

[getchamoneyrigh]

Which bible? And how many humans translated it? Unless someone can come out with original text, I do not see how it can be proven not to have some "made up" stuff in it.

 

[alissowack]

^^^^hey I'm just doing what God wants me to do. I have no choice in the matter.

You sounding like the people who you are against with that statement. You question those who claim to be doing God's Will only for you to say you are doing the same. The next thing you know, I'll be hearing about someone who uses the alias "either-i-am" involved in some cult saying "I'm only doing what God wants me to do!!!" as this person is getting carted off to jail. You have a choice.

 

[demandred]

actually I agree. But people live by the bible as if thats what it is

Well if they consider themselves Christian's they should, Christ himself was taught and preached from the Hebrew doctrine...but the difference is Christ understood the inner workings and the totality of the teaching to be able to properly address any discrepancies that came up.... I think the major thing is that both sides should be equal and fair, especially considering theres numerous translational errors from Hebrew/Greek to English... if this was my only occupation I would invest the time in finding the commonality of all of the things that people have tried to make into separated little cliqs.. the basis in truly becoming wise is to stop taking this thing personal, and allow ones self to search for truth... I also dont find it coincidental that a couple of authors have set out on debunking Christianity at its root levels and ended up getting saved...testimony in itself... because it actually required them to do what the Bible instructed and seek the truth, which requires intense amounts of studying...and regardless of all of the hype... there really are no major debunks that hold enough weight to actually shift anything... so until then perhaps we should try to be those people that do the debunking and stop waiting on others to tell us what to believe in...

I no longer take people's personal beliefs personal... they are now just a tool, which I use to further my own education

 

[demandred]

The Bible is a life book, and Life is what you make it....

^^^^hey I'm just doing what God wants me to do. I have no choice in the matter.

ether you just need someone to help you, if what you truly seek is understanding... if its not.. then you get what you are looking for...

 

[demandred]

I'm against no one. Don't let the way I word things confuse you. My questions are real. I just like to put em in a way that either jogs the brain or just bluntly say what (I) think the bible is saying. So having said that I don't hate nor am I against anyone who is religous. FYI my mommy is a preacher and I love her very very very much. I have two uncles that are preachers as well, and I love them too. And yes they to tell me I shouldn't ask some of the questions I ask about the bible.

ether it is perfectly ok to ask questions... the problem some people may have is how you ask them... in my own personal experience with this... because I am a Why person just like you... I have found that with the proper tools(I realized how much of a failure it was to ask your average man) I can find and answer alot of my own personal questions...

I think the biggest challenge for me was opening myself up to believing or accepting things that were uncomfortable to me... I think thats one of the biggest challenges people face with God

 

[alissowack]

I'm against no one. Don't let the way I word things confuse you. My questions are real. I just like to put em in a way that either jogs the brain or just bluntly say what (I) think the bible is saying. So having said that I don't hate nor am I against anyone who is religous. FYI my mommy is a preacher and I love her very very very much. I have two uncles that are preachers as well, and I love them too. And yes they to tell me I shouldn't ask some of the questions I ask about the bible.

But that is the thing...the questions you ask (however crude or ridiculous it may seem) need to be addressed especially if you do have a concern for them. There is nothing wrong with criticism if it is constructive. I would have to say if you are being discouraged from asking these questions, then maybe those who are telling you this must not know how to answer to such questions and it might be because no one has dared to. The questions you have are not "Sunday School" topics but they need just as much clarity as everything else in the Bible.

 

[glowy]

If the bible was ever proven to be wrong people would still believe in it.

There's been bible stories that have been proven to be wrong....

 

[demandred]

If the bible was ever proven to be wrong people would still believe in it.

There's been bible stories that have been proven to be wrong....

The Bible is one gigantic parable in one of the many forms that it takes.... let's see what Christ said about parables...

Mar 4:10 Later, when Jesus was alone with the twelve disciples and with the others who were gathered around, they asked Him what the parables meant.
Mar 4:11 He replied, "You are permitted to understand the secret of the Kingdom of God. But I use parables for everything I say to outsiders,
Mar 4:12 so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled: 'When they see what I do, they will learn nothing. When they hear what I say, they will not understand. Otherwise, they will turn to Me and be forgiven.'"
Mar 4:13 Then Jesus said to them, "If you can't understand the meaning of this parable, how will you understand all the other parables?

Mar 4:22 For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.
Mar 4:23 Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand."
Mar 4:24 Then He added, "Pay close attention to what you hear. The closer you listen, the more understanding you will be given—and you will receive even more.
Mar 4:25 To those who listen to My teaching, more understanding will be given. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them."

Mar 4:33 Jesus used many similar stories and illustrations to teach the people as much as they could understand.
Mar 4:34 In fact, in His public ministry He never taught without using parables; but afterward, when He was alone with His disciples, He explained everything to them.

Interesting to say the least

Also I'm curious for my own curiosity, if you can find a story written outside of the Book of Genesis that has been proven to be false....?

 

[demandred]

OK since we are been serious for a moment, I will admit when I started reading the bible for myself, and I started questioning it and begin getting the feeling that God had nothing to do with this book, it kinda made me nervous. Then I realize to doubt the bible is to doubt man not God. I do think it's a good read though and people should read it instead of having it read in pieces to them.

I have done the same thing my brother, Christ himself said he didnt trust man, because he knew human nature... and its only by way of the spirit can we press beyond the imperfection of human and find God..we do ourselves of a great disservice of all of the wisdom stored in the book by trying to pick it apart, Hitler himself had a great mind and alot to teach and learn from if you were willing to press beyond the apparent things that we in our own perspective view as flaws

The hard part is going beyond the external circumstances, and allowing yourself to get to know the character and the personality of God through the pages, throughout majority of the religious books I've read regardless of the little quips and knicks.. God has this extremely similar character... then the 2nd part is allowing the book to minister to the characteristics of your Sin nature, and allowing yourself to adapt the lifestyle that the pages of this book will teach you to live... in the process preparing and getting you ready to embrace the depth and the new perspective of life brought forth by spirituality

Just imagine the amount of things that Christ himself had to push through in order to bring forth the ministry that he did... he had to push past religion, false doctrine, politics, people that grew up off the word of God, but still didnt follow it, unbelievers, people that thought he was a nut, etc etc etc

 

[Mr. AJ]

The bible is a collection of various writings compiled into the form of a book. In that sense it was "made up"... As far as the content inside of it, you got a lot of work ahead of you if your trying to disproves any and everything in it.