If adam and eve only had two sons and no daughters where did humanity come from?

[Hyde Parke]

About 230 million years ago

and how was that age determined?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

and how was that age determined?

Alot of ways....

You can determin the date by observation

1. Use the simplest and oldest technique of stratigraphy. This determines the date of dinosaur bones by how far down they're buried. Study how many sedimentary rock layers have built up over time and in between the fossils. It approximates a time period based squarely on how deep in the ground the bones are.

2. Apply the method of using volcanic rock to determine the age of the dinosaur bones. Study the layer of volcanic rock under the fossil and the layer of non-volcanic rock above the fossil. This also approximates a time period based on when a volcanic eruption occurred.

3. Look for index fossils around the dinosaur fossils. Index fossils are other life forms that existed during the same time period of the dinosaur you may have found. Some of these species may be brachiopods or trilobites.

Radioisotope Dating

1. Use radioisotope dating techniques on rocks that you'll find around the dinosaur bones. Learn about unstable radioactive elements found in rocks and how they break down over time at a rate known as their half-life.

2. Learn about the process of calculating half-life in the rock element you're studying.

3. Find half-life by using an element chart to determine how an element decays to what's called its daughter. For example, uranium or U-235 breaks down to lead-207. Determine the age of the rock by comparing the proportion between the two.

There are more but those are the main two ways, anything else?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well, when I stated a 3rd or 4th it was just an example. I believe there had to have been 2 beginnings. We didn't walk with dinos, where's that proof?

If we walked among dinosaurs we would have painted images on caves, chizzled rocks that looked like them they were larger than life, it could be said human would have worshipped these things because of their size. Word would have been passed down and eventually written into a book. None of this is found.

From a scientific stand point, we would have found something along with dinosaur bones that proved we were among them. Tools, Bones, housing units (Inhabited caves ties into the paintings above), things of that nature. We would have found something in fossils that without a doubt says man and dinosaur walked the Earth together, if we had man could of very well became extinct because we would have not on the top of the food chain at the time, which if it happened gives credit to a second beggining, but none the less we would still have found bone or tools dating to that time.

 

[major pain]

Its sad that people on here are trying to use ideas about Adam and Eve supposed incest or how humans got here as a tool to discredit the Bible. The Book is not meant for every single word to be taken literally. Its a guide or a handbook on how to live a righteous life which is illustrated by the stories in it. You dont want to believe any of it because you want to find flaws, thats fine, but stop trying to make it seem like the people that do are stupid for wanting to live a good life and earn their way into the house not made with hands.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Alot of ways....

You can determin the date by observation

1. Use the simplest and oldest technique of stratigraphy. This determines the date of dinosaur bones by how far down they're buried. Study how many sedimentary rock layers have built up over time and in between the fossils. It approximates a time period based squarely on how deep in the ground the bones are.

2. Apply the method of using volcanic rock to determine the age of the dinosaur bones. Study the layer of volcanic rock under the fossil and the layer of non-volcanic rock above the fossil. This also approximates a time period based on when a volcanic eruption occurred.

3. Look for index fossils around the dinosaur fossils. Index fossils are other life forms that existed during the same time period of the dinosaur you may have found. Some of these species may be brachiopods or trilobites.

Radioisotope Dating

1. Use radioisotope dating techniques on rocks that you'll find around the dinosaur bones. Learn about unstable radioactive elements found in rocks and how they break down over time at a rate known as their half-life.

2. Learn about the process of calculating half-life in the rock element you're studying.

3. Find half-life by using an element chart to determine how an element decays to what's called its daughter. For example, uranium or U-235 breaks down to lead-207. Determine the age of the rock by comparing the proportion between the two.

There are more but those are the main two ways, anything else?

no, except that every single way you have described involves man's manipulation to get results.

 

[One Spliff]

I believe in the word of God, I believe in the "christian" bible. Thing is, I also believe in evolution but not the evolution as ape to man. I believe from animal - animal having to adapt and evolve into their surroundings.

Adam and Eve and their children all committed incest. It wasn't wrong then, it wasn't a sin. I brought that up earlier. God could've created all races, but he decided to let THEM be "fruitful and multiply". The Tower of Babel explains why different languages were given. As for the races? That's a good question. Evolution, or ADAPTATION had to have taken place. It doesn't say He created different people, just 2 and from those 2 people multiplied.

The bible doesn't DISPROVE evolution. There is NO verse that says this cannot happen. It says, "God created everything". Good. He did, I agree. But from that HAS to come some type of evolving.

wow just wow...

u need to read the bible again brother.

all races were created, lol...it says it quite clearly in the bible...

and evolution is different to natural selection.

and incest ?...first off...adam and eve, and noah...were childrenn or sons of god...the hewbres and israelites came later, theres bible scriptures to proove all this...

noah, adam, eve...they werent any nationality...not yet...because they had'nt been created yet...there was no such things of hebrews or israelites yet....


deutoronmy 32

"When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

9For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance."

jacobs father was isaac...isacc n rebeekah had 2 sons...jacob n esau jacob was to rule of over esau and was the chosen line for gods people...

abraham had 8 sons, his second son was isaac...tahts were the chosen line went thru....out of 8 sons the 1 chosen line went to isaac....hes first son ismaerl wanted to kill him, n he was'nt the chosen line...

tyo back this up...

Ecclesiasticus 17:17 For in the division of the nations of the whole earth he set a ruler over every people; but Israel is the Lord's portion:

shem (noah son) had 5 sons, the line went thru arpacshad, he had 2 sons...1 was shelah, he had eber, who had peleg, he had reu, he had serug, hwo had naroh,...and terah was the son of nahor...

terah worshipped othert gods, so abraham was chosen....(read about abrahams sacrifice)...from abraham the first son ishamel, but the blessing didnt go onto him..altho they wud be a great natiopn (the arabs)...the blessing went to issac, who had WHO ?...jacob....who was WHO ?....ISRAEL....thre 12 tribes/sons of israel...are who ?.,.gods people quoted all throught the bible...the only ones that will be saved, the only ones jesus is comign back for...aka niggaz, spiks, native americans...all other nations n races came from other birth lines etc...and they are responsible fore the different races and nations on eath today...none of which are gods people.

i can go into waaay mopre scriptures to back this up n elaborate on tHE other sons and stories etc ec...but that point is...we are children of isaac...jacob...n esau is the descent of the so called white jews of today n other whites...they aint shit.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

no, except that every single way you have described involves man's manipulation to get results.

Lol im done with it, Id rather speak to people who use an open mind rather than think the Bible account of everything is dead accurate.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Its sad that people on here are trying to use ideas about Adam and Eve supposed incest or how humans got here as a tool to discredit the Bible. The Book is not meant for every single word to be taken literally. Its a guide or a handbook on how to live a righteous life which is illustrated by the stories in it. You dont want to believe any of it because you want to find flaws, thats fine, but stop trying to make it seem like the people that do are stupid for wanting to live a good life and earn their way into the house not made with hands.

So if its not the literal word of god then alot of it can be wrong. The Earth could be billions of years old, man could have evolved, when it says God made man and land mammals it could mean we evolved but were blessed with life through god to allow this to happen. If its not the literal word of god it can be taken in many directions.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Lol im done with it, Id rather speak to people who use an open mind rather than think the Bible account of everything is dead accurate.

lol, i am no bible thumper, not a Christian either. Im an observer, I dont pick sides. I just watch the irrational of both sides and make comments.

 

[purecomp]

If we walked among dinosaurs we would have painted images on caves, chizzled rocks that looked like them they were larger than life, it could be said human would have worshipped these things because of their size. Word would have been passed down and eventually written into a book. None of this is found.

From a scientific stand point, we would have found something along with dinosaur bones that proved we were among them. Tools, Bones, housing units (Inhabited caves ties into the paintings above), things of that nature. We would have found something in fossils that without a doubt says man and dinosaur walked the Earth together, if we had man could of very well became extinct because we would have not on the top of the food chain at the time, which if it happened gives credit to a second beggining, but none the less we would still have found bone or tools dating to that time.

I don't really have an opinion on this matter, but if dinosaurs were alive millions of years ago, it could have been before tools and art and shit like that. The first cave paintings were found in I think southern France at the beginning of recorded history. If dinosaurs was waaaaaay before that, then there is a possibility humans walked with the behemoths before we could document it. And maybe dinosaurs ate the remainders of humans (ie. skeletons). Once again, I don't necessarily believe this, just an observation.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

lol, i am no bible thumper, not a Christian either. Im an observer, I dont pick sides. I just watch the irrational of both sides and make comments.

So why is the way to date dinosaurs wrong explain it to me? Of course man is always going to be involved in this, if man had nothing to do with it, God is the only explanation. And God being the only explanation is not acceptable considering these dates are given through testing, science doesnt just pick a way and throw up a number, for this to become law extensive testing and hypothesis is brought forth and proven.

 

[One Spliff]

So if its not the literal word of god then alot of it can be wrong. The Earth could be billions of years old, man could have evolved, when it says God made man and land mammals it could mean we evolved but were blessed with life through god to allow this to happen. If its not the literal word of god it can be taken in many directions.

this is dumb as hell...

ur not using your brain at all.

the bible is'tn a book of literaure...WTF...is a book for GODS PEOPLES, a book of propehcies, laws, judements...

wt r u smokin on to think the bible si supposed to teahc us about the birth of creation or about evolutionm, dinosaurs n all that other dumb shit...

not every thing in the bible is literal, infatc most is symbolism...but is that to say its not the word of god, or it sum how invalidates what is written...thats stupidity....u supposed to be listenign to the people who were given the knowledge , wisdom and understanding to break it down...n hope u to get that knowledge wisdom n udnerstanding for yourself.

stop worrying about semantic...n trivial shit that dont even matter...jus know the day of the lord is coming real soon....n if u aint right, if u aitn ready....then u gon die, n there aint gon be no coming back for you.

 

[major pain]

So if its not the literal word of god then alot of it can be wrong. The Earth could be billions of years old, man could have evolved, when it says God made man and land mammals it could mean we evolved but were blessed with life through god to allow this to happen. If its not the literal word of god it can be taken in many directions.

I'm sorry, but I've always believed the bible is free to be interpreted however one chooses. There are things that people point out that I miss all the time when reading over passages and I have read those same verses before myself. The MESSAGE is what is important not always the words. I dont know where you guys got this "literal word of god" because hardly anyone I know believes this.

 

[VIBE]

wow just wow...

u need to read the bible again brother.

all races were created, lol...it says it quite clearly in the bible...

and evolution is different to natural selection.

and incest ?...first off...adam and eve, and noah...were childrenn or sons of god...the hewbres and israelites came later, theres bible scriptures to proove all this...

noah, adam, eve...they werent any nationality...not yet...because they had'nt been created yet...there was no such things of hebrews or israelites yet....



deutoronmy 32

"When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

9For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance."

jacobs father was isaac...isacc n rebeekah had 2 sons...jacob n esau jacob was to rule of over esau and was the chosen line for gods people...

abraham had 8 sons, his second son was isaac...tahts were the chosen line went thru....out of 8 sons the 1 chosen line went to isaac....hes first son ismaerl wanted to kill him, n he was'nt the chosen line...

tyo back this up...

Ecclesiasticus 17:17 For in the division of the nations of the whole earth he set a ruler over every people; but Israel is the Lord's portion:

shem (noah son) had 5 sons, the line went thru arpacshad, he had 2 sons...1 was shelah, he had eber, who had peleg, he had reu, he had serug, hwo had naroh,...and terah was the son of nahor...

terah worshipped othert gods, so abraham was chosen....(read about abrahams sacrifice)...from abraham the first son ishamel, but the blessing didnt go onto him..altho they wud be a great natiopn (the arabs)...the blessing went to issac, who had WHO ?...jacob....who was WHO ?....ISRAEL....thre 12 tribes/sons of israel...are who ?.,.gods people quoted all throught the bible...the only ones that will be saved, the only ones jesus is comign back for...aka niggaz, spiks, native americans...all other nations n races came from other birth lines etc...and they are responsible fore the different races and nations on eath today...none of which are gods people.

i can go into waaay mopre scriptures to back this up n elaborate on tHE other sons and stories etc ec...but that point is...we are children of isaac...jacob...n esau is the descent of the so called white jews of today n other whites...they aint shit.

okay? he set races, nationalities etc

there WAS incest, God created 2 people from that they multiplied. Key word = multiplied, multiple, many. How do you get humanity from just 1 female being pregnant? They all were being together.

 

[Hyde Parke]

So why is the way to date dinosaurs wrong explain it to me? Of course man is always going to be involved in this, if man had nothing to do with it, God is the only explanation. And God being the only explanation is not acceptable considering these dates are given through testing, science doesnt just pick a way and throw up a number, for this to become law extensive testing and hypothesis is brought forth and proven.

its wrong because scientists were not present at the time of any of those events, so the best they can do is hypothesize, or guess. There is no exact anything when you deal with hypotheticals.

and given the nature, that as you say, the earth is billions of years old. yet man cant even live beyond 100 and some change, how is that long enough to figure anything out?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I don't really have an opinion on this matter, but if dinosaurs were alive millions of years ago, it could have been before tools and art and shit like that. The first cave paintings were found in I think southern France at the beginning of recorded history. If dinosaurs was waaaaaay before that, then there is a possibility humans walked with the behemoths before we could document it. And maybe dinosaurs ate the remainders of humans (ie. skeletons). Once again, I don't necessarily believe this, just an observation.

I feel you, Ive looked at it this way to, that maybe Dinosaurs ate the human to extinction, which could of been possible as funny as it sounds, and our remains were ate as well. But the size of dinosaurs, when they would move their bowels our bones would not be gone, they would still be in there. Animals do have the ability to digest and dissolve bone but not that size of bone. Even with that being said they couldnt of ate every single bone around. It is also possible that humans wouldnt have been smart enough to make tools, they still would have had some sort of housing arrangements that we would have discovered somewhere, every animal makes a home of some sort, I doubt these people just crashed on the ground at night and constently got ate for it. Another thing people will argue is the "Great Flood" erased all the evidence, well maybe tools and paintings and the caves, but there would at the very least be fossil evidence of us being there and the bones would be scattered not destoryed.

Is there a way to disprove we did walk with dinosaurs, no but there is more evidence pointing towards the fact we didnt than we did, enough so that its accepted throughout science that we didnt.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

its wrong because scientists were not present at the time of any of those events, so the best they can do is hypothesize, or guess. There is no exact anything when you deal with hypotheticals.

and given the nature, that as you say, the earth is billions of years old. yet man cant even live beyond 100 and some change, how is that long enough to figure anything out?

Bible the same way then, there was no one their to witness god to anything so if science is wrong because of them not acually being there god is wrong plain and simple because no one witness him either.

And why does it take 100+ years to test a hypothesis?

 

[One Spliff]

okay? he set races, nationalities etc

there WAS incest, God created 2 people from that they multiplied. Key word = multiplied, multiple, many. How do you get humanity from just 1 female being pregnant? They all were being together.

lmaoooooooooooo

man u need to READ !!!!!!!!!!!

ur asking question that dont even matter...n not only that but the answer are'nt in the bible....u gon have to research aspects of science, geology, archoeology to find that answer.

but seriously that shit is irrelevant, not only because adam and eve are symbolism in the bible...lol...they were'nt even the final humanoids...and if u research other shit u'll find this yourself...the garden of eden wasnt even on earth...so how the fuck wud incest exist ?...

u've gotta look way deeper, the answers are in other books of the bible as well of other aspects of science...

but seriously...do u believe your an israelite or not ?...beccause u said u believe in the word of god, if thats the case...u believe ur a descendant of his people, it says right there in the bible.

 

[whar67]

its wrong because scientists were not present at the time of any of those events, so the best they can do is hypothesize, or guess. There is no exact anything when you deal with hypotheticals.

and given the nature, that as you say, the earth is billions of years old. yet man cant even live beyond 100 and some change, how is that long enough to figure anything out?

This is BS. Evidence that exists today can give information about things in the past.

If a detective finds a woman's body, who had been raped and murder, he might hypothesize it was the boyfriend. However if he finds the knife that killed her. Matchs the knife to the wounds. Finds a fingerprint on the knife which does not belong to the boyfriend and semen in the woman that does not match the boyfriend then his hypothesis is discarded.

Science operates along the same lines. Hypothesis are made evidence is gather and the hypthesis is tested. It is fails it is diuscarded. If it is confirmed, generally several times and from multiple angles, it is considered a theory.

 

[And Step]

This is BS. Evidence that exists today can give information about things in the past.

If a detective finds a woman's body, who had been raped and murder, he might hypothesize it was the boyfriend. However if he finds the knife that killed her. Matchs the knife to the wounds. Finds a fingerprint on the knife which does not belong to the boyfriend and semen in the woman that does not match the boyfriend then his hypothesis is discarded.

Science operates along the same lines. Hypothesis are made evidence is gather and the hypthesis is tested. It is fails it is diuscarded. If it is confirmed, generally several times and from multiple angles, it is considered a theory.

This can be considered BS too. Theories are just that theories. Just because someone find something to be confirmed several times doesn't any way mean it is absolute truth. People have been freed from prison because forensic scientists have discarded previous scientist theories that have sent innocent people to prison.

I am not against the scientific process. I use it myself. I am just against making decisions and producing things before it can proven to be absolutely true. We don't need theories. We need the absolute truth. Theories get a whole lot of people killed.( See Pharmaceutical and Law Enforcement)