zzombie;8947279 said:
desertrain10;8947146 said:
And I find it very interesting that blk households are continuously compared to non blk households and continue to be found lacking
Especially since the days of slavery we have been systematically oppressed and denied any formal family structure....not allowed to marry...children, siblings, the other "partner" sold away from each other...the poor punished for marrying
Yet, somehow, between 1865 and 1965 there is supposed to have been this great deterioration of the nuclear blk family with feminism being the catalyst??? If that is the case, when was the heyday of this blk family?
From what I've researched our families never looked like that of the Beavers. And since the days of slavery blk women in america have always had to take on the traditional role and responsibilities of men as a matter of survival
The reason why Blk women were drawn to feminism in the first place was because they didn't have the same rights and the same economic opportunities as their male counterparts making them incapable of helping to fulfill these roles adequately...which in many cases meant living in extreme poverty
Violence and crime in America did spike to supposedly historic level within the last 60 yrs or so, however generally speaking that has always been the case following economic recessions. Its been on a steady decline. And are we going to seriously argue it was feminism and not the introduction of illegal yet highly addictive drugs into our neighborhoods are to blame. Not to mention guns, particularly automatic weapons, becoming more accessible naturally made matters worst
That said, the ills we see in places like Chicago and Detroit are the cumulative effect of centuries of structural racism, marginalization and failed government policy that keeps the residents trapped in poverty
of course black households have to be compared to non-black households... this is capitalism which means this is competition. I don't want to hear shit about slavery after slavery the black household was doing much better than it is now. THE HEYDAY of the black family was after slavery but before the rise of feminism, were things perfect??? no but the black family was in better shape than it is now.
black women have always been more independent but they still respected black men. IN 2016 BLACK WOMEN have little respect for black men and black men seemingly have none for black women.The introduction of drugs into the community would would not have had such extreme effects if the black family had the resilience is had before feminism. Once black women stopped respecting black men the family went to shit and then when drugs came in black were very vulnerable.
waah waah waah racism.... you leftist always want to put all the blame on racism and never want to look in the mirrors and admit that it is poor character that contributes a large large large percentage to the black communities ills.
Bruh
I have to believe you are trolling at this point
Where is your proof that after slavery the blk family was in better condition, or that marriage will lift most blk families out of poverty
Because at one point the marriage rate was high and illegitimacy was low?
We were actually poorer in this golden era of the blk american family, than we are now
And as I posted before an illegitimate birth tells you nothing about whether the mother lives with the father or gets married later, just as a legitimate birth tells you nothing about divorce, separation or incarceration or the state of the marriage or whether there's abuse
Then ppl today are getting married later in life and more married couples are either having less kids or opt not to have children ...whereas after slavery folk as young as 15, 16 were marrying and starting families. Large families were the norm. The larger the family the more able bodied ppl who is could work the fields
Not only that, there's no substantial proof illegitmacy and low marriage rates causes crime and poverty
Family is important, but the case children of single parent families suffer measurable harm is weak. And weakens the more money the breadwinner earns
While its true that marriage can bring stability and emotional benefits to the children of middle and upper class families, there’s no evidence that the kind of marriages that poor, single parents enter into will have these same benefits. It's because only certain kinds of marriages are beneficial, such as those between adults who don't have to worry about getting evicted, who can afford to pay their medical bills, who don't contend with the surrounding stresses of violence or joblessless or having to get to work without a car
And there's actually more evidence that supports the theory poverty creates single mothers ..not the other way around
That said, I will continue to bring up slavery same as Jim Crow because these institutions
negatively affected the health, economic opportunity, and wealth accumulation of blks ...which impacted their children and their children's children
Same as how parents’ poor health or employment is going to limit their ability to monitor or support their child’s education, which in turn may lower the child’s chances at success
And if you truly believe we are in competition with other groups for capital and resources, how could slavery and Jim Crow not be apart of the discussion as to why racial disparities exist
The only point I was making in the last post was it's ignorant and racist to compare the state of blk families to that of non blk families in an attempt to disparage blk families given what we have been subjected to
Again the cumulative effects of centuries of structural racism, marginalization and failed policy is the reason why the introduction heroin and crack devastated our neighborhoods...not feminism
You sound silly making this argument that it all boils down to lack of respect between the sexes, as if pre feminism when women weren't able to vote or had very limited economic prospects we were respected or valued any more than we are now
